What the fuck is it with the Ring and Nonito Donaire?

[Taeth]

I don't agree with him being so high with guys like Chad Dawson around, but he is a really good fighter, much better than crap fighters like Caballero.

[killersheep]

I don't agree with him being so high with guys like Chad Dawson around, but he is a really good fighter, much better than crap fighters like Caballero.

How is he better than Caballero? Resume comparison? Activity? Skill level?

Donaire has timing, but ALL of his credit is based off of one punch against Vic, one-punch does not a great fighter make. He is a good boxer, but I don't see why you would go after Caballero in your attack, Caballero has done much more.

[CFH]

I don't agree with him being so high with guys like Chad Dawson around, but he is a really good fighter, much better than crap fighters like Caballero.

How is he better than Caballero? Resume comparison? Activity? Skill level?

Donaire has timing, but ALL of his credit is based off of one punch against Vic, one-punch does not a great fighter make. He is a good boxer, but I don't see why you would go after Caballero in your attack, Caballero has done much more.

Agreed. Caballero has a much better resume than Donaire, though you could conceivably argue that Donaire has a superior skill-set, which is the problem with the subjective nature of P4P lists. Personally, I almost always favor a fighters resume over his perceived skill level.

[Taeth]

I don't agree with him being so high with guys like Chad Dawson around, but he is a really good fighter, much better than crap fighters like Caballero.

How is he better than Caballero? Resume comparison? Activity? Skill level?

Donaire has timing, but ALL of his credit is based off of one punch against Vic, one-punch does not a great fighter make. He is a good boxer, but I don't see why you would go after Caballero in your attack, Caballero has done much more.

In some senses Caballero has done more, in others he has been embarrassed by inferior opposition than Donaire. I go after Caballero because he is a worse farse than Margarito or Miranda. I am waiting for the day that Guillermo Rigondeaux or some of the actually talented fighters at 122-126 get the oppertunity to face Caballero because he is a C level fighter.

[killersheep]

I don't agree with him being so high with guys like Chad Dawson around, but he is a really good fighter, much better than crap fighters like Caballero.

How is he better than Caballero? Resume comparison? Activity? Skill level?

Donaire has timing, but ALL of his credit is based off of one punch against Vic, one-punch does not a great fighter make. He is a good boxer, but I don't see why you would go after Caballero in your attack, Caballero has done much more.

In some senses Caballero has done more, in others he has been embarrassed by inferior opposition than Donaire. I go after Caballero because he is a worse farse than Margarito or Miranda. I am waiting for the day that Guillermo Rigondeaux or some of the actually talented fighters at 122-126 get the oppertunity to face Caballero because he is a C level fighter.

Embarressed because he got caught once? Or because he lost to an elite level Cordoba? I know you love your Rigondeaux, but that has nothing to do with Donaire and his lack of a resume. I mean Donaire's last opponent is a strawweight, you can't get around that, he's a good strawweight, but still a strawweight. Caballero was the first to beat de Leon, he unified two belts at super bantam against a ring rated fighter, and now he's fighting for a title at feather, Caballero has more than made up for his losses with his recent activity.

[Kev]

I don't agree with him being so high with guys like Chad Dawson around, but he is a really good fighter, much better than crap fighters like Caballero.

How is he better than Caballero? Resume comparison? Activity? Skill level?

Donaire has timing, but ALL of his credit is based off of one punch against Vic, one-punch does not a great fighter make. He is a good boxer, but I don't see why you would go after Caballero in your attack, Caballero has done much more.

In some senses Caballero has done more, in others he has been embarrassed by inferior opposition than Donaire. I go after Caballero because he is a worse farse than Margarito or Miranda. I am waiting for the day that Guillermo Rigondeaux or some of the actually talented fighters at 122-126 get the oppertunity to face Caballero because he is a C level fighter.

I thought Donaire was embarrassed against a 13-3-1 club fighter in Rafael Concepcion who not only took him the distance but was pretty much winning the fight until the later rounds. Can you name any 13-3-1 fighter in any other weight class in all of boxing that would trouble another p4p star like that?

His inclusion in the p4p rankings is even more bizarre than Mijares.

[generalbulldog]

How is he better than Caballero? Resume comparison? Activity? Skill level?

Donaire has timing, but ALL of his credit is based off of one punch against Vic, one-punch does not a great fighter make. He is a good boxer, but I don't see why you would go after Caballero in your attack, Caballero has done much more.

In some senses Caballero has done more, in others he has been embarrassed by inferior opposition than Donaire. I go after Caballero because he is a worse farse than Margarito or Miranda. I am waiting for the day that Guillermo Rigondeaux or some of the actually talented fighters at 122-126 get the oppertunity to face Caballero because he is a C level fighter.

I thought Donaire was embarrassed against a 13-3-1 club fighter in Rafael Concepcion who not only took him the distance but was pretty much winning the fight until the later rounds. Can you name any 13-3-1 fighter in any other weight class in all of boxing that would trouble another p4p star like that?

His inclusion in the p4p rankings is even more bizarre than Mijares.

To be fair Concepcion was 4 1/2 pounds over the limit. That's a lot of pounds to be over the limit and that is an significant advantage especially for the really low weight classes.

[JazMerkin]

I hate to say this, but I totally agree Bilbo. No way is Donaire the 6th best fighter in the world. He dragged up a strawweight for his last fight at Super-Flyweight. A strawweight who wasn't even the best in the world at his division (ranked 10th before the fight).

He has a great win against Darchinyan and that is it. The sad thing is there is a really talented Asian fighter in the lower divisions in Hozumi Hasegawa, who gets fuck all interest despite annihaliting people at Bantamweight, purely because he's not on US TV. I'm amazed they haven't tried dropping Marquez below him. Also how the fuck is Cotto still ranked?

Anyway ignoring that, Donaire, whilst talented, is not on technique the 6th best fighter in the world. He's just not. I don't even like him, but Tim Bradley is far more deserving of being in there. I don't know who I'll root against when Donaire & Vic fight again. Double KO please.

[DaxxKahn]

I hate to say this, but I totally agree Bilbo. No way is Donaire the 6th best fighter in the world. He dragged up a strawweight for his last fight at Super-Flyweight. A strawweight who wasn't even the best in the world at his division (ranked 10th before the fight).

He has a great win against Darchinyan and that is it. The sad thing is there is a really talented Asian fighter in the lower divisions in Hozumi Hasegawa, who gets fuck all interest despite annihaliting people at Bantamweight, purely because he's not on US TV. I'm amazed they haven't tried dropping Marquez below him. Also how the fuck is Cotto still ranked?

Anyway ignoring that, Donaire, whilst talented, is not on technique the 6th best fighter in the world. He's just not. I don't even like him, but Tim Bradley is far more deserving of being in there. I don't know who I'll root against when Donaire & Vic fight again. Double KO please.

Donaire has the talent to be ranked 6th...IMO he beats just about everyone in or around his division....HE JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO FIGHT THE GUYS NEEDED TO MAKE THE RANKING CREDIBLE!!!!