James Toney pissed about Hopkins being called a legend

[Hulk]

Goat bit had me laughing

Same here

James Toney has still got world class shit talking skills but his boxing skills are no longer world class.

And Hopkins did put on a terrible fight with Jones the other night, but that does not mean his whole career should be called into question.

He is a legend and he deserves his respect, 20 MW title defenses, plus over 40 years old and he didn't just win against Tarver and Pavlik, he DOMINATED them.

And he was in a fight with Calzaghe where you could make the case he deserved the decision. Tho he did give away the last two rounds due to being so tired.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Goat bit had me laughing

Same here

James Toney has still got world class shit talking skills but his boxing skills are no longer world class.

And Hopkins did put on a terrible fight with Jones the other night, but that does not mean his whole career should be called into question.

He is a legend and he deserves his respect, 20 MW title defenses, plus over 40 years old and he didn't just win against Tarver and Pavlik, he DOMINATED them.

And he was in a fight with Calzaghe where you could make the case he deserved the decision. Tho he did give away the last two rounds due to being so tired.

tarver was weight drained...as much as i dont like the guy. He had bitch tits, and looked extremely weak in that fight. I think that fight would have been different had he not done the rocky film..

[Fenster]

"He wouldn't six rounds with me" No shit genius you outweigh him by probably 100 pounds now. Just shut the f**k up and take it. B-Hop has accomplished much more than Toney ever has and now he wants to talk shit. How about when B-Hop called him out in the mid nineties and Toney wanted no part of him. Toney is nothing but a mouth anymore and I hope his damn ass gets KTFO when he switches to that UFC shit.

B-Hop has achieved much more than James Toney ? in what way ? James Toney has beaten better fighters than B-Hop, and also moved all the way up to Heavyweight. Plus James Toney was a much more exciting fighter aswell, So in what way has B-Hop achieved more ?

James Toney's Best Wins.

Michael Nunn
Mike McCallum x2
Tim Littles
Evander Holyfield
Vassiliy Jirov
Reggie Johnson
Doug DeWitt
Iran Barkley
Charles Williams
Tony Thorton

Titles at Middleweight, Super Middleweight, Cruiserweight.

And he beat John Ruiz for the WBA title aswell, forgetting about the steroids. Because like they helped anyway did you see James Toney in that fight ? i know rules are rules and i agree with the decision of a NC, but come on James Toney would of whooped John Ruiz 100 out of 100.

Why does Toney being more exciting mean he is the better fighter ?

I guess that means Hopkins gets 1 up on Toney for being the more disciplined fighter who came to every fight in top shape. I certainly can't say the same for Toney.

Hopkins should also get another 1 up on Toney for being a clean fighter, another thing i can't say for Toney who has tested postive for illegal substances.

Half those guys you mentioned aren't worth much either.

Giving Toney credit for a win over Tim Littles is like giving Hopkins credit for beating Joe Lipsey. Doug Dewitt and Charles Williams also shouldn't be mentioned.

Holyfield was shot in the Toney fight.

McCallum was old for the last fight. I'll give you the 2nd fight though.

Jirov was a decent win but nothing spectactular. Nunn was a nice win. Same for the Reggie Johnson and Iran Barkley wins. Two Losses to Montell Griffin don't help his resume though.

Toney is a 3 division champ which helps his achivements but his resume isn't the strongest.

Hopkins is a two division champ and defended his middleweight crown 20 times. He didn't lose his middleweight title till he was in his 40s.

His biggest wins are over Trinidad, Tarver, Pavlik. He was the underdog in all those fights and dominated them. He was 41 against Tarver and 43 against Pavlik.

Other notable wins include Wright, De La Hoya, Johnson, Elchols, Joppy, Eastman. Three of his losses came when he was in his 40's and they were close.

Hopkins resume could be better but it's better than Toneys. Hopkins also plans a heavyweight fight this year, a win against Haye would blow him past Toney in the achivements catergory.

Prime for Prime, it would be a tough fight, both guys had what it took to beat each other.

This is a bit hypocritical.

He's had his best wins past 40 yet his losses are excused by his old age?

That makes his middleweight reign look very weak.

[generalbulldog]

B-Hop has achieved much more than James Toney ? in what way ? James Toney has beaten better fighters than B-Hop, and also moved all the way up to Heavyweight. Plus James Toney was a much more exciting fighter aswell, So in what way has B-Hop achieved more ?

James Toney's Best Wins.

Michael Nunn
Mike McCallum x2
Tim Littles
Evander Holyfield
Vassiliy Jirov
Reggie Johnson
Doug DeWitt
Iran Barkley
Charles Williams
Tony Thorton

Titles at Middleweight, Super Middleweight, Cruiserweight.

And he beat John Ruiz for the WBA title aswell, forgetting about the steroids. Because like they helped anyway did you see James Toney in that fight ? i know rules are rules and i agree with the decision of a NC, but come on James Toney would of whooped John Ruiz 100 out of 100.

Why does Toney being more exciting mean he is the better fighter ?

I guess that means Hopkins gets 1 up on Toney for being the more disciplined fighter who came to every fight in top shape. I certainly can't say the same for Toney.

Hopkins should also get another 1 up on Toney for being a clean fighter, another thing i can't say for Toney who has tested postive for illegal substances.

Half those guys you mentioned aren't worth much either.

Giving Toney credit for a win over Tim Littles is like giving Hopkins credit for beating Joe Lipsey. Doug Dewitt and Charles Williams also shouldn't be mentioned.

Holyfield was shot in the Toney fight.

McCallum was old for the last fight. I'll give you the 2nd fight though.

Jirov was a decent win but nothing spectactular. Nunn was a nice win. Same for the Reggie Johnson and Iran Barkley wins. Two Losses to Montell Griffin don't help his resume though.

Toney is a 3 division champ which helps his achivements but his resume isn't the strongest.

Hopkins is a two division champ and defended his middleweight crown 20 times. He didn't lose his middleweight title till he was in his 40s.

His biggest wins are over Trinidad, Tarver, Pavlik. He was the underdog in all those fights and dominated them. He was 41 against Tarver and 43 against Pavlik.

Other notable wins include Wright, De La Hoya, Johnson, Elchols, Joppy, Eastman. Three of his losses came when he was in his 40's and they were close.

Hopkins resume could be better but it's better than Toneys. Hopkins also plans a heavyweight fight this year, a win against Haye would blow him past Toney in the achivements catergory.

Prime for Prime, it would be a tough fight, both guys had what it took to beat each other.

This is a bit hypocritical.

He's had his best wins past 40yet his losses are excused by his old age?

That makes his middleweight reign look very weak.

No, I don't think it's being hypocritical. Most people view it as a win-win situation. There comes a point in a fighter's career that if he lost, it doesn't hurt his legacy and if he won it only enhances it.

Take George Foreman for example, if he had lost to Michael Moorer, it would have been said he was old and past his prime, but since he did win, it only significantly enhance his resume and standing because he ko the reigning undefeated lineal HW champ at an very advance age.

Or let's say Hopkins decides to fight Dawson next, if he loses it's because he's past it, which is true, but if he wins just think how his resume would look and how it would advance his legacy.

BTW, his best wins are still in his 30s. Trinidad, De La Hoya, Joppy, Johnson, Holmes.