Berto vs. Quintana Fight Talk

[CFH]

Berto has all the talent, but he just doesn't seem to have it together mentally. If he'd just work on his deficiencies, he could become a great fighter, but the same problems seems to dog him in every fight.

I think he was rusty, he has been out almost a year, and once he relaxed in the 7th round he took over. I still believe he's got some serious promise. How he finished Quintana was excellent, he was much more measured, but precise with what he did. If he'd started like that, he would have done the job. I think he was also way too hot-headed & determined to blow Quintana away at the start because of the Haiti thing.

He has all the talent to become a P4P star in the sport, he just needs to work on a few things like squaring up and loading up and winging his punches and he'll be fine. However, those have been glaring issues for so long now they seem to have become bad habits.

[JazMerkin]

He has all the talent to become a P4P star in the sport, he just needs to work on a few things like squaring up and loading up and winging his punches and he'll be fine. However, those have been glaring issues for so long now they seem to have become bad habits.

I think those things can be worked on. The coverage over here were really questioning whether his head was in the right place following what he saw in Haiti. He wouldn't be able to live with Floyd, Shane or Manny right now, but he should keep busy maybe fighting Cotto, he's part of the next gen of 147lbers with Mike Jones & Saul Alvarez.

[CFH]

He has all the talent to become a P4P star in the sport, he just needs to work on a few things like squaring up and loading up and winging his punches and he'll be fine. However, those have been glaring issues for so long now they seem to have become bad habits.

I think those things can be worked on. The coverage over here were really questioning whether his head was in the right place following what he saw in Haiti. He wouldn't be able to live with Floyd, Shane or Manny right now, but he should keep busy maybe fighting Cotto, he's part of the next gen of 147lbers with Mike Jones & Saul Alvarez.

I think they can be worked on too, but my point is that they've been clear issues for a long time now and they still haven't been corrected. IMO that's a big red flag for Berto going forward. He should avoid Cotto at this point, unless it becomes clear in the Foreman fight that he's really on the slide. I'd like to see him rematch Collazo.

[JazMerkin]

He has all the talent to become a P4P star in the sport, he just needs to work on a few things like squaring up and loading up and winging his punches and he'll be fine. However, those have been glaring issues for so long now they seem to have become bad habits.

I think those things can be worked on. The coverage over here were really questioning whether his head was in the right place following what he saw in Haiti. He wouldn't be able to live with Floyd, Shane or Manny right now, but he should keep busy maybe fighting Cotto, he's part of the next gen of 147lbers with Mike Jones & Saul Alvarez.

I think they can be worked on too, but my point is that they've been clear issues for a long time now and they still haven't been corrected. IMO that's a big red flag for Berto going forward. He should avoid Cotto at this point, unless it becomes clear in the Foreman fight that he's really on the slide. I'd like to see him rematch Collazo.

I honestly think he'd beat Cotto right now, I think Cotto isn't the same fighter pre-Margarito & subsequent fights with Clottey & Pacquiao have taken a lot out of him. But, then he's not part of the Bob Arum fraternity so he wouldn't get it. He should steer clear of the big 3 though. I think he will rematch Collazo if Collazo beats Aydin. Even an Aydin fight would be good, because Aydin can bang. If Shane loses to Mayweather, maybe a fight somewhere down the line wouldn't be a bad idea, although I reckon that PBF, Pac & possibly Shane will all be retired or about to by this time next year.

[killersheep]

He has all the talent to become a P4P star in the sport, he just needs to work on a few things like squaring up and loading up and winging his punches and he'll be fine. However, those have been glaring issues for so long now they seem to have become bad habits.

I think those things can be worked on. The coverage over here were really questioning whether his head was in the right place following what he saw in Haiti. He wouldn't be able to live with Floyd, Shane or Manny right now, but he should keep busy maybe fighting Cotto, he's part of the next gen of 147lbers with Mike Jones & Saul Alvarez.

I think those things have been worked on, I mean he's a title holder he should have cleared it up by now.

[fan johnny]

He has all the talent to become a P4P star in the sport, he just needs to work on a few things like squaring up and loading up and winging his punches and he'll be fine. However, those have been glaring issues for so long now they seem to have become bad habits.

I think those things can be worked on. The coverage over here were really questioning whether his head was in the right place following what he saw in Haiti. He wouldn't be able to live with Floyd, Shane or Manny right now, but he should keep busy maybe fighting Cotto, he's part of the next gen of 147lbers with Mike Jones & Saul Alvarez.

I'd rather see him knock out Margarito.

[CFH]

He has all the talent to become a P4P star in the sport, he just needs to work on a few things like squaring up and loading up and winging his punches and he'll be fine. However, those have been glaring issues for so long now they seem to have become bad habits.

I think those things can be worked on. The coverage over here were really questioning whether his head was in the right place following what he saw in Haiti. He wouldn't be able to live with Floyd, Shane or Manny right now, but he should keep busy maybe fighting Cotto, he's part of the next gen of 147lbers with Mike Jones & Saul Alvarez.

I'd rather see him knock out Margarito.

As much as I loathe Margarito, that would be a very interesting fight to watch. I doubt Berto would knock him out though, unless Mosley completely shattered Margarito's chin.

[JazMerkin]

I think those things can be worked on. The coverage over here were really questioning whether his head was in the right place following what he saw in Haiti. He wouldn't be able to live with Floyd, Shane or Manny right now, but he should keep busy maybe fighting Cotto, he's part of the next gen of 147lbers with Mike Jones & Saul Alvarez.

I'd rather see him knock out Margarito.

As much as I loathe Margarito, that would be a very interesting fight to watch. I doubt Berto would knock him out though, unless Mosley completely shattered Margarito's chin.

Berto is stylistically quite similar to Shane, so he could just watch the tactics & replicate the performance. I'd enjoy watching it though because I think Margarito is done

[CFH]

I'd rather see him knock out Margarito.

As much as I loathe Margarito, that would be a very interesting fight to watch. I doubt Berto would knock him out though, unless Mosley completely shattered Margarito's chin.

Berto is stylistically quite similar to Shane, so he could just watch the tactics & replicate the performance. I'd enjoy watching it though because I think Margarito is done

Berto doesn't have the intelligence or the power of Mosley though. I think there's a good chance he would be overwhelmed by Margarito's pressure and end up being forced into a toe-to-toe fight instead of moving and countering like Mosley. WHo knows though, I really have no idea how that fight would play out. I'd really like to see it, though I'd much rather see Margarito banned for life.

[Truth]

I don't think Berto lasts till the final bell vs Cotto, Cotto busts him up inside and finishes him, If Cotto fought smart against Pacquiao he could've won, he was right in that fight till the second KD

[Spicoli]

I'd rather see him knock out Margarito.

As much as I loathe Margarito, that would be a very interesting fight to watch. I doubt Berto would knock him out though, unless Mosley completely shattered Margarito's chin.

Berto is stylistically quite similar to Shane, so he could just watch the tactics & replicate the performance. I'd enjoy watching it though because I think Margarito is done

Would be fun.For the sake of fans I hope Berto does well...but when I think Mosley and Berto mentallity alone...its boy and man...night and day executing plans in the ring.

[TitoFan]

Yes... I was the one that predicted a Quintana KO win. See how quick I own up to my mistakes?



I wish I could point out something positive for Quintana from the fight. But he showed me nothing. He's become nothing but a B-class fighter. As for Berto? He still gets his ass kicked by Cotto, Mosley, Margacheato, or any elite welterweight.

[Myk_Myk]

I watched this delayed on the DVR, and I have to say I was shocked at how many thought the Caballero/Yordan fight should have been stopped! To me Lampley and Merchant sounded like a couple of pussies who need to find another line of work if they can't stomach the sport. Stewart was the only one who was sensible, pointing out that Caballero wasn't really landing much that wasn't slapping, at least to the head.

I'm all about saving a young fighter for another day, but I never saw where Yordan ever looked hurt of even really too discouraged? You don't stop it just because one guy's being outclassed, when he's still trying to compete and still landing some meaningful punches - really the more meaningful of the two, just too few and far between.

I think it would have been more debilitating for them to have stopped it, because it would have left darker questions in his mind. By letting him finish, strongly I might add, the fight has a greater chance to be more of a learning experience than a crushing defeat for Yordan.

I had just watched Estrada/Lora before this fight, and Lora was taking much more severe punishment. Teddy Atlas who doesn't like to see fighters take unnecessary punishment, wasn't calling for the fight to be stopped and he definitely wouldn't have been for this fight either.

As for Berto, I think his strength has become his weakness. By that I mean, while fighting against lesser opposition he seems to have become intoxicated with his ability to use his strength to overpower and overwhelm his opponents. This has been to the detriment of the development of his other assets.

As he's stepped up in level he's found it increasingly hard to impose his will in that way. His fight with David Estrada comes to mind, and then of course his fight against Collazo. I think there's a good chance that he'll mature, and start to get a better feel for when to use his strength and when to use his speed, and other tools. I think it's actually already evident that he's being more conscious of that.

I also agree that he needs to work on his distance. He gets in, but then he falls all the way in and smothers himself or ties/gets tied up. He needs to learn to stop at the right distance or take a step back if he gets in too close. I think he could work on his jab too...

I'm still hopeful for great things, from Berto. He's not quite ready for the likes of Mosley, though.

[FTMatty]

Berto seems to have all the physical attributes, but I just doubt he's mentally strong enough to stick to a game plan.
Against one of the big 3, I think he'd get a lesson he may not bounce back from.

[Majesty]

I watched this delayed on the DVR, and I have to say I was shocked at how many thought the Caballero/Yordan fight should have been stopped! To me Lampley and Merchant sounded like a couple of pussies who need to find another line of work if they can't stomach the sport. Stewart was the only one who was sensible, pointing out that Caballero wasn't really landing much that wasn't slapping, at least to the head.

I'm all about saving a young fighter for another day, but I never saw where Yordan ever looked hurt of even really too discouraged? You don't stop it just because one guy's being outclassed, when he's still trying to compete and still landing some meaningful punches - really the more meaningful of the two, just too few and far between.

I think it would have been more debilitating for them to have stopped it, because it would have left darker questions in his mind. By letting him finish, strongly I might add, the fight has a greater chance to be more of a learning experience than a crushing defeat for Yordan.

I had just watched Estrada/Lora before this fight, and Lora was taking much more severe punishment. Teddy Atlas who doesn't like to see fighters take unnecessary punishment, wasn't calling for the fight to be stopped and he definitely wouldn't have been for this fight either.

As for Berto, I think his strength has become his weakness. By that I mean, while fighting against lesser opposition he seems to have become intoxicated with his ability to use his strength to overpower and overwhelm his opponents. This has been to the detriment of the development of his other assets.

As he's stepped up in level he's found it increasingly hard to impose his will in that way. His fight with David Estrada comes to mind, and then of course his fight against Collazo. I think there's a good chance that he'll mature, and start to get a better feel for when to use his strength and when to use his speed, and other tools. I think it's actually already evident that he's being more conscious of that.

I also agree that he needs to work on his distance. He gets in, but then he falls all the way in and smothers himself or ties/gets tied up. He needs to learn to stop at the right distance or take a step back if he gets in too close. I think he could work on his jab too...

I'm still hopeful for great things, from Berto. He's not quite ready for the likes of Mosley, though.

problem is he got a way too fast and easy run to the title before he had to learn anything or change those rookie mistakes he still makes. But Berto says he had an injured shoulder or something so it caused him to try to rush the KO and was rusty after 11 months out