Did Pavlik want to give it up?

[theGhostGhost]

I think he said he couldnt see and Jack said not to say that because they would stop it. I thought the same thing about whether he wanted to quit.....

I felt bad for Pavlik.....

I called the result though, thought Martinez speed would be too much...

idk if the result had as much to do as the cuts not getting cleaned up and/maybe Pavlik quiting as Martinez Speed

when pavlik wasnt cut and was really into the fight (rounds 4-7) it looked like he was going to win by round 10

[armin]

yea his cutman definitely did a poor job on that cus the round after the bad one happened he came out looking the same as the previous round as if nothing had been worked on...

[Spicoli]

Not sure what he said but caught that exchange.He also gave a slight hesitant look aroung 11...almost a shrug of shoulders and turning around but most immportant thing for him and us....he didnt quit.Betting more than a few ask themselves that when odds are on them.He did himself proud and hung in with what he had.Hate to be premature but I think hes near the end at top.Shows no changes in style and not making weight says something....he/some blame Hopkins lose because he was out of weight class,and he comes in heavy here and loses to 'smaller' guy.Cant have it both ways.He was out classed on different scales in both but didnt quit..

[Hunter]

I think he said he couldnt see and Jack said not to say that because they would stop it. I thought the same thing about whether he wanted to quit.....

I felt bad for Pavlik.....

I called the result though, thought Martinez speed would be too much...

idk if the result had as much to do as the cuts not getting cleaned up and/maybe Pavlik quiting as Martinez Speed

when pavlik wasnt cut and was really into the fight (rounds 4-7) it looked like he was going to win by round 10

Yeah but it is not like Martinez just got lucky and caused one cut, pavlik had three cuts, two on right eye and one on left, as manny said during the fight speed causes cuts.......

[theGhostGhost]

I think he said he couldnt see and Jack said not to say that because they would stop it. I thought the same thing about whether he wanted to quit.....

I felt bad for Pavlik.....

I called the result though, thought Martinez speed would be too much...

idk if the result had as much to do as the cuts not getting cleaned up and/maybe Pavlik quiting as Martinez Speed

when pavlik wasnt cut and was really into the fight (rounds 4-7) it looked like he was going to win by round 10

Yeah but it is not like Martinez just got lucky and caused one cut, pavlik had three cuts, two on right eye and one on left, as manny said during the fight speed causes cuts.......

not if you watch any of Pavliks fights before i dont think ive ever seen a fight where he didnt get cut on even the weakest punch he just has thin skin inhis face or something but it doesnt make much effort or speed to cut him

hurting him is a whole nother issue which he doest get hurt often

[Hunter]

idk if the result had as much to do as the cuts not getting cleaned up and/maybe Pavlik quiting as Martinez Speed

when pavlik wasnt cut and was really into the fight (rounds 4-7) it looked like he was going to win by round 10

Yeah but it is not like Martinez just got lucky and caused one cut, pavlik had three cuts, two on right eye and one on left, as manny said during the fight speed causes cuts.......

not if you watch any of Pavliks fights before i dont think ive ever seen a fight where he didnt get cut on even the weakest punch he just has thin skin inhis face or something but it doesnt make much effort or speed to cut him

hurting him is a whole nother issue which he doest get hurt often

I dont remember pavlik being a bleeder.

[theGhostGhost]

Yeah but it is not like Martinez just got lucky and caused one cut, pavlik had three cuts, two on right eye and one on left, as manny said during the fight speed causes cuts.......

not if you watch any of Pavliks fights before i dont think ive ever seen a fight where he didnt get cut on even the weakest punch he just has thin skin inhis face or something but it doesnt make much effort or speed to cut him

hurting him is a whole nother issue which he doest get hurt often

I dont remember pavlik being a bleeder.

he's always been a bleeder

[Gandalf]

Pavlik definitely threw a lot less than what we are accustomed to. That was partly because of Martinez, but also partly because of something only Pavlik knows. You can understand him going into a bit of a shell in the round the punch was caused, but Pavlik threw very little in the final 4 rounds. It was extremely frustrating to watch and it did look like a different fighter than the one we have come to expect. I also didn't know until after the fight about the issues making weight. If he had remained active after Hopkins he might not have developed these issues, but you would have to think that being drained has its own effect upon punch output.

Martinez deserves all the praise, but I do think Pavlik was somewhat below par. No excuses this time though, he was in his own weight class and his opponent was a career 154 pounder.

[Majesty]

Pavlik definitely threw a lot less than what we are accustomed to. That was partly because of Martinez, but also partly because of something only Pavlik knows. You can understand him going into a bit of a shell in the round the punch was caused, but Pavlik threw very little in the final 4 rounds. It was extremely frustrating to watch and it did look like a different fighter than the one we have come to expect. I also didn't know until after the fight about the issues making weight. If he had remained active after Hopkins he might not have developed these issues, but you would have to think that being drained has its own effect upon punch output.

Martinez deserves all the praise, but I do think Pavlik was somewhat below par. No excuses this time though, he was in his own weight class and his opponent was a career 154 pounder.

I think it was because he used what he had in order to take those middle rounds when Martinez went into a second gear Pavlik didn't have one not to mention Martinez's punches landing on his face making him cover up so he couldn't really get off. For Pavlik to get off you have to be standing still and not moving, Martinez kept making him move.