If this Valero situation was caused by CTE, does boxing need to do more?(long, sorry)

[Nameless]

I haven't seen this thread before I wrote in the other one, I will simply copy/paste my text here:

Valero doesn't deserve much sympathy for killing his wife but what makes me wonder is all the head trauma he had... I am not saying that it is automatically the cause of his behaviors but living closely to somebody who has had a bad head trauma himself, I can assure that it can totally change the character of somebody in the nick of time. Cerebral lesions are a , believe me. IF he did drink and that it did cause even more problems, it totally makes sense as well as cerebral lesions are strengthening the reactions and confusion that somebody would normally have. It would be interesting to know how he was before his brain lesions and after as well as his reaction to alcohol before and after the incident.

Actually, the trauma thing makes a LOT of sense, not saying that it's the cause of his behaviors but it definitely can be one of the factor. My brother for one has his personality severely modified by his accident, now after almost 10 years and a bit of medication I see a lot more the "old J.P" again but his anxiety and nervousness never got away though. HE used to be a lot violent verbally and physically intimidating after his trauma for a couple of years and after some therapy and after I kind of "sat" him a couple of time it went back to normal but it has been the hell of a job and the meanest of times.

[Nameless]

There are a lot, burst of anger, extra aggressivity, memory problems, frequent headaches, epilepsy, unexpected mood swings, chronic tiredness, sleep troubles, difficulty to speak normally, problems of balance, depends from people to people and from trauma to trauma.

[DaxxKahn]

Not sure...I mean I know he had problems from his accident and the head plate and all but don't know if or how much worse boxing had made it...Are they doing an autopsy?

[Nameless]

Not sure...I mean I know he had problems from his accident and the head plate and all but don't know if or how much worse boxing had made it...Are they doing an autopsy?

You just need a good head trauma to see your personality seriously bust your personality, the accident could solely be the cause of it and perhaps boxing did made it worst but just with that accident it could scientifically be explainable.

[DaxxKahn]

Not sure...I mean I know he had problems from his accident and the head plate and all but don't know if or how much worse boxing had made it...Are they doing an autopsy?

You just need a good head trauma to see your personality seriously bust your personality, the accident could solely be the cause of it and perhaps boxing did made it worst but just with that accident it could scientifically be explainable.

I understand that... what I was trying to say I guess is not sure what he was like before rhe accident after and how much did things seem to change while boxing...

[Andre]

Its a great point you have there.

Strange isnt it though how many head trauma cases work the reverse and they are peaceful loving people and some go the opposite way into rage.
Same with drug use, same with most traumas I suppose.

[ArawakWarria]

Glad to see there is some real discussion taking place on this board. What you are all saying is valid especially considering three main points:

1. What was the degree of his head injury--that kept him from fighting in the US for so long?

2. What were the effects of the severe headbutt/gash he took in his last fight (please see this horrendous cut)?

3. Did that play into the effects of the alcohol (and/or drugs) he may have been using?

The problem is this... we would never get a straight answer in the US or the UK, so don't look for on from Chaveland.

(which leads to the other thread... also see "Valero's not Dead")

[ArawakWarria]

Not sure...I mean I know he had problems from his accident and the head plate and all but don't know if or how much worse boxing had made it...Are they doing an autopsy?

You just need a good head trauma to see your personality seriously bust your personality, the accident could solely be the cause of it and perhaps boxing did made it worst but just with that accident it could scientifically be explainable.

Pardon me... it was an elbow, not a headbutt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aScE-y__Cbc

How significant was this injury, considering he fought on?

[Nameless]

Not sure...I mean I know he had problems from his accident and the head plate and all but don't know if or how much worse boxing had made it...Are they doing an autopsy?

You just need a good head trauma to see your personality seriously bust your personality, the accident could solely be the cause of it and perhaps boxing did made it worst but just with that accident it could scientifically be explainable.

Pardon me... it was an elbow, not a headbutt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aScE-y__Cbc
How significant was this injury, considering he fought on?

It is difficult to say because many consequences are shown up quite late after the injury, it really depends. Personally, I don't think that this injury did trigger the whole, I think more that it's the accident he had in 2002 and where they had to put a metal plate in his head or something like that that could have been the major cause of his behaviors, the shot to the heads sustained subsequently not helping the cause, obviously.

[ArawakWarria]

You just need a good head trauma to see your personality seriously bust your personality, the accident could solely be the cause of it and perhaps boxing did made it worst but just with that accident it could scientifically be explainable.

Pardon me... it was an elbow, not a headbutt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aScE-y__CbcHow significant was this injury, considering he fought on?

It is difficult to say because many consequences are shown up quite late after the injury, it really depends. Personally, I don't think that this injury did trigger the whole, I think more that it's the accident he had in 2002 and where they had to put a metal plate in his head or something like that that could have been the major cause of his behaviors, the shot to the heads sustained subsequently not helping the cause, obviously.

Well, clearly things went from bad to worse not long after this fight. It makes you wonder... they stole Joe Mesi's career from him sighting that they were doing it 'for the fighter's safety.' So which way does the cradle rock for whom?

[BoxingGorilla]

There are a lot, burst of anger, extra aggressivity, memory problems, frequent headaches, epilepsy, unexpected mood swings, chronic tiredness, sleep troubles, difficulty to speak normally, problems of balance, depends from people to people and from trauma to trauma.

I have it.

[BoxingGorilla]

Honestly it sounds like Gulf War Syndrome.

Just about anyone whose been in a boxing ring could claim to have it. If they wanted to have it for some reason. I can't see why they would want it unless it was a criminal defense.

[fan johnny]

You could take a poll of neurologists and probably more 90% would ban all contact sports where there are blows to the head.

No Strong Evidence Linking Amateur Boxing With Long-term Brain Injury, Study Suggests

I usually take studies from Universities with a grain of salt. One needs to understand they are usually motivated by money. i.e. The conclusions will bring alarming results to light but will also have inconclusive results. Thus requiring more studies and additional grant funding for additional studies.

Anything that makes the sports safer for the athletes is worth implementing but you should keep in mind that some of it will change the sport.

Making informed decisions rather than making knee jerk decision is usually a more prudent course of action.

[No Contest]

Now you gotta look at his history of head trauma. Nobody in the US would give this guy the ok, he had bleeding in his brain. Texas finally did...maybe people will start taking head injuries more seriously. This type of thing just makes me not want to watch boxing anymore.

[BoxingGorilla]

This type of thing just makes me not want to watch boxing anymore.

You've cracked up.