So have we just lost potentially one of the best fighters ever..?

[piye]

No let's not overrate this bum, he fought with his chin in the air and was a knockout waiting to happen.

[ICB]

No let's not overrate this bum, he fought with his chin in the air and was a knockout waiting to happen.

Give me a break he had good handspeed, crushing power. And when he chose to box he looked somewhat like a young Manny Pacquiao. He for certain could of been one of the greats of this era.

Just because the guy was a scumbag doesn't mean he was a bum, the guy was a world champion who was breaking into the top 10 P4P, so how was he a bum exactly ?

Yes his defense wasn't great but so what ? his offense is his defense which is what made him so exciting.

Not all the great fighters have great defenses. See Jack Dempsey, Aaron Pryor, Orlando Canizales, Julio Cesar Chavez.

[TheMacMagician]

I think the guy was an absolute blast to watch, he could have been a great great fighter down the line for sure. On the flip side, I also agree with one of PIYE's point in that he was a knockout waiting to happen, maybe at LWW once he met someone with good power.

He would have given us some ATG boxing nights IMO though for sure.

[smashup]

Agreed

Anyone think he could have gone so far as to have given Manny the fight of his life or maybe even sparked him out?

[ICB]

Agreed

Anyone think he could have gone so far as to have given Manny the fight of his life or maybe even sparked him out?

Well he does have all the same attributes of a young Manny Pacquiao. The southpaw stance, the aggressive style, the handspeed, the power, ETC.

He reminded me alot of the young Manny Pacquiao, before he become more polished. It really all depends mate, maybe if he would of had the right trainer, he could of been up there with Manny Pacquiao.

If you actually see him sparring and his last fight, he actually has underrated handspeed and boxing skills. It all depends if he could be like Manny Pacquiao knowing when to be aggressive and knowing when to box.

Possible though he was 28 wasn't it ? and Manny Pacquiao started to really improve at near enough that age.

[piye]

Oh God no, He would have lost to the first power puncher who hit him on the Jaw, Who exactly did he ever beat? A guy like Carl Froch get's a hard time and he has beaten world class opponents this bum gets overrated because he knocked out bums and killed himself? fuck this guy.

[ICB]

Oh God no, He would have lost to the first power puncher who hit him on the Jaw, Who exactly did he ever beat? A guy like Carl Froch get's a hard time and he has beaten world class opponents this bum gets overrated because he knocked out bums and killed himself? fuck this guy.

Antonio Pitalua was a puncher.

[smashup]

Oh God no, He would have lost to the first power puncher who hit him on the Jaw, Who exactly did he ever beat? A guy like Carl Froch get's a hard time and he has beaten world class opponents this bum gets overrated because he knocked out bums and killed himself? fuck this guy.

I'm just curious if anyone saw enough potential to think he may have had a shot basically...none of us have/did or ever will see him with a real live fighter bashing him back so we'll never know.

I just saw something in him that makes me think maybe..

That's all

[generalbulldog]

Agreed

Anyone think he could have gone so far as to have given Manny the fight of his life or maybe even sparked him out?

What makes you think he could have sparked out Manny?

By fighting guys like Demarco at 135? And Velasquez?

His level of opposition wasn't that great. He had talent no doubt, but let's not jump the gun.

[Kel]

He never looked all that special to me but at certain times you saw some really slick stuff. 27 wins and 27 KO's though......anyone else matched that?

[titleist905t]

Are we glorifying a MURDERER / ADDICT / ALCOHOLIC here? I don't care what the dude has done. He has no morals, how can you hit your wife and mother?! Boxing lost nothing.

[Violent Demise]

No let's not overrate this bum, he fought with his chin in the air and was a knockout waiting to happen.

Why couldn't Valero killed your stupid ass instead. It's annoying reading posts from dumb fukks like you who can't separate the mans personal life from his ring life. Ok he butchered his wife for no reason. Get the fukk over it. That don't make him a bum as a boxer. The man was an outstanding talent. Any knowledgeable fan (ok maybe that don't include you) can see that. At 140 against a steroid free Pacquiao, yeah I would favor Valero to win in a great fire fight

[piye]

No let's not overrate this bum, he fought with his chin in the air and was a knockout waiting to happen.

Why couldn't Valero killed your stupid ass instead. It's annoying reading posts from dumb fukks like you who can't separate the mans personal life from his ring life. Ok he butchered his wife for no reason. Get the fukk over it. That don't make him a bum as a boxer. The man was an outstanding talent. Any knowledgeable fan (ok maybe that don't include you) can see that. At 140 against a steroid free Pacquiao, yeah I would favor Valero to win in a great fire fight

Ahh hahah, have you caught feelings you lil bi tch? lol wow, I wont waste anymore time on you how do i put this fa g on ignore? as for Valero he really never beat anyone of note and so gets no credit from me. He also demonstrated he was a coward in real life so I imagine when faced with adversity in the ring he would have done the same thing as he did in life and quit.

[Violent Demise]

No let's not overrate this bum, he fought with his chin in the air and was a knockout waiting to happen.

Why couldn't Valero killed your stupid ass instead. It's annoying reading posts from dumb fukks like you who can't separate the mans personal life from his ring life. Ok he butchered his wife for no reason. Get the fukk over it. That don't make him a bum as a boxer. The man was an outstanding talent. Any knowledgeable fan (ok maybe that don't include you) can see that. At 140 against a steroid free Pacquiao, yeah I would favor Valero to win in a great fire fight

Ahh hahah, have you caught feelings you lil bitch? lol wow, I wont waste anymore time on you how do i put this fag on ignore? as for Valero he really never beat anyone of note and so gets no credit from me. He also demonstrated he was a coward in real life so I imagine when faced with adversity in the ring he would have done the same thing as he did in life and quit.

Only a clueless idiot would not consider going into hostile Panama and taking the title from the vastly underrated Vincent Mosquera not to be an impressive feat.

I await the who's Vincent Mosquera reply next

[piye]

Why couldn't Valero killed your stupid ass instead. It's annoying reading posts from dumb fukks like you who can't separate the mans personal life from his ring life. Ok he butchered his wife for no reason. Get the fukk over it. That don't make him a bum as a boxer. The man was an outstanding talent. Any knowledgeable fan (ok maybe that don't include you) can see that. At 140 against a steroid free Pacquiao, yeah I would favor Valero to win in a great fire fight

Ahh hahah, have you caught feelings you lil bitch? lol wow, I wont waste anymore time on you how do i put this fag on ignore? as for Valero he really never beat anyone of note and so gets no credit from me. He also demonstrated he was a coward in real life so I imagine when faced with adversity in the ring he would have done the same thing as he did in life and quit.

Only a clueless idiot would not consider going into hostile Panama and taking the title from the vastly underrated Vincent Mosquera not to be an impressive feat.

I await the who's Vincent Mosquera reply next

Mate your 30 years old, are you really that much of a tw@t? are you really trying to prove you know more than me about boxing? why? for the benefit of who? does it make you feel better to have that over someone?

Mate don't you have kids you should be looking after or something? Just fuc k off and do that then.