Froch-Kessler - who wins? (poll)

[Master]

I hope Froch wins but think Kessler will get the decision and HTH is a joey.

[Kirkland Laing]

If Kessler hasn't been destroyed by losing to Ward he wins comfortably, maybe even stops Froch. Even if Froch does get past Kessler it'll only show that Kessler has slipped, not that Froch is anything special. He's good at what he does but nothing special, he should already have a loss against Dirrell. Ward will beat him like a gong.

[Kirkland Laing]

Please stop comparing Froch with Calzaghe. You are the only person on Earth that can see Calzaghe in FRoch. They are nothing alike. Nothing. Well they both have a solid chin. But that's it.

Im simply stating that he has that unique ability to adapt to different fights just like calzaghe did

And who are we to say froch wont be better than calzaghe. At this stage of his career calzaghe was fighting tomato cans at cardiff arms park.

Froch is the best of the 6 fighters if you ask me, just think he may get taken aback come saturday night and fall a tad short

If Froch has a unique ability then nobody else has it. Calzaghe can't have it too or it wouldn't be unique.

And Froch just did what he did in his last three fights, walk forward face first throwing punches. The only thing that changed in the Taylor fight was that Taylor ran out of steam and slowed down to Froch speed and Dirrell fought like a prospect away from hom but still won the fight on most peoples' scorecards including the British TV team.

[Kev]

Please stop comparing Froch with Calzaghe. You are the only person on Earth that can see Calzaghe in FRoch. They are nothing alike. Nothing. Well they both have a solid chin. But that's it.

Im simply stating that he has that unique ability to adapt to different fights just like calzaghe did

And who are we to say froch wont be better than calzaghe. At this stage of his career calzaghe was fighting tomato cans at cardiff arms park.

Froch is the best of the 6 fighters if you ask me, just think he may get taken aback come saturday night and fall a tad short

If Froch has a unique ability then nobody else has it. Calzaghe can't have it too or it wouldn't be unique.

And Froch just did what he did in his last three fights, walk forward face first throwing punches. The only thing that changed in the Taylor fight was that Taylor ran out of steam and slowed down to Froch speed and Dirrell fought like a prospect away from hom but still won the fight on most peoples' scorecards including the British TV team.

I have to agree with Kirkland. Even as a Froch fan I must concede he is arguably the LEAST adaptable fighter in the Super 6 competition.

He has fought exactly the same way every time I've seen him. He tends to do better when fighters come for him and he can land those uppercuts, but at the level he's fighting at now his opponents have been smarter.

Joe Calzaghe he most definitely is not.

I believe it was Killersheep who said rather than adaptable, he is best described by the adjective 'tenacious'. That sums him up perfectly. He has found a way to win so far, not through being adaptable, he changes nothing, but rather he sticks at it, and has great stamina and mental determination.

You could conceivably argue that he is the mentally strongest fighter in the whole competition, (although we haven't seen Andre Ward' resolve tested yet), but he's simply not adaptable, I would say not even a bit.

[WelshDevilRob]

Article I wrote.

Froch vs Kessler Preview

On 24 April 2010 the 2nd round of fights continue in the Super 6 Super Middleweight tournament with a battle of Europe style clash between WBC champion Carl Froch and challenger Mikkel Kessler. On the line will be Froch’s title and of course more points: Froch currently has 2 while Kessler is on zero. Froch is coming off a successful defence against the previously undefeated Andre Dirrell in a fight that was very boring to watch while Kessler got schooled by another undefeated American in Andre Ward.


Froch scraped through against the negative Andre Dirrell in a fight sparse of action and punches landed but the the judges viewed and awarded his more aggressive style and I saw it the same and pray there is never a rematch. Kessler who came into the tournament as favourite was surprisingly easily beaten by Andre Ward. Granted Kessler had cause to complain about the head butts he was on the end of but they weren’t the reason he lost - his timing and even ambition seemed lost while Ward looked brilliant in getting his fast shots off. Some say fighting away from home affected the Dane but he’s done that before and looked good. (Against Joe Calzaghe in Wales and Anthony Mundine in Australia) This time Mikkel has home advantage and while his opponent has been happy to travel to Denmark, despite being the WBC champion, for this fight there has been some disagreement over the venue or rather the location. Carl Froch and his camp quite rightly wanted the fight in the Danish Capital Copenhagen which is pretty straightforward for his traveling British supporters to get to while the Kessler camp wanted the fight in the more remote city of Herning. The Kessler camp got their way. It is to Carl Froch’s credit that once again he is in a title fight in his opponents ‘backyard’ and the old adage “Have gloves will travel” seems apt.



Boxing often throws up Intangibles before a fight and this match-up is no different. Many questions still remain to be answered:- In the case of the challenger Mikkel Kessler (42-2, 32 Ko) we will be tuning in, via Showtime (US) or PrimeTimeTV (Uk) , to see if his last fight was just a ‘bad day at the office’ or the sign that his powers are on the wane. He certainly looked out of sorts against Andre Ward and since the defeat to Joe Calzaghe in 2007 his career has stalled somewhat with promotional wrangles. In Carl Froch (26-0, 20 Ko) we have to wonder whether he has the skills to compete with a ’Peak’ Kessler after he looked devoid of answers against the quicker Andre Dirrell; he seemed incapable of cutting off the ring and even when he did get close to his elusive opponent he failed to land anything significant for the most part. The main slight against the Englishman, who is undefeated, is that his defence is poor and the evidence of the Pascal, Taylor and Dirrell fights is there for all to see. It’s fortunate for him that he has such a solid chin to be able to get away with his defensive frailties. Neither fighter is the quickest of foot though both posses sound technical ability, if abit rigid at times. Power wise I think they are pretty evenly matched and both have solid chins.


If we were talking about a match-up of the Kessler from two years ago and Carl Froch of today then I would pick the Dane to win on points but after Kesslers last few performances, I don’t think that fighter exists anymore and while it will still take a lot to KO him I can see Carl just edging a close but deserved points decision in Herning. I think it will be a tense opening few rounds that will ignite with ‘fireworks’ at points in the bout. If, Kessler can stay composed and just use his boxing skills then he can win the rounds but I don’t think his body will do the things his mind wants to. For Carl Froch the victory will mean a place in the semi-finals (regardless of the result in the final bout) of the tournament and another decent name on the resume after Jean Pascal, Jermain Taylor and Andre Dirrell. Carl Froch doesn’t do things the easy way but this time his timing couldn’t be better.


My Verdict: Carl Froch WUD12th

[Manuel "Chubby" Medina]

Kessler winz TKO. Remember Taylor rocked and dropped Froch...

[TheMacMagician]

Not sure whether its been posted before or seen by anyone yet here but I thought it'd be a good addition to the thread. At the start would have made more sense but you can't have everything you want. Thanks to the creator.

[HattonTheHammer]

I stupidly voted kessler when im now convinced this is frochs night

[ryanman]

Im simply stating that he has that unique ability to adapt to different fights just like calzaghe did

And who are we to say froch wont be better than calzaghe. At this stage of his career calzaghe was fighting tomato cans at cardiff arms park.

Froch is the best of the 6 fighters if you ask me, just think he may get taken aback come saturday night and fall a tad short

If Froch has a unique ability then nobody else has it. Calzaghe can't have it too or it wouldn't be unique.

And Froch just did what he did in his last three fights, walk forward face first throwing punches. The only thing that changed in the Taylor fight was that Taylor ran out of steam and slowed down to Froch speed and Dirrell fought like a prospect away from hom but still won the fight on most peoples' scorecards including the British TV team.

I have to agree with Kirkland. Even as a Froch fan I must concede he is arguably the LEAST adaptable fighter in the Super 6 competition.

He has fought exactly the same way every time I've seen him. He tends to do better when fighters come for him and he can land those uppercuts, but at the level he's fighting at now his opponents have been smarter.

Joe Calzaghe he most definitely is not.

I believe it was Killersheep who said rather than adaptable, he is best described by the adjective 'tenacious'. That sums him up perfectly. He has found a way to win so far, not through being adaptable, he changes nothing, but rather he sticks at it, and has great stamina and mental determination.

You could conceivably argue that he is the mentally strongest fighter in the whole competition, (although we haven't seen Andre Ward' resolve tested yet), but he's simply not adaptable, I would say not even a bit.

It was me but thanks anyway. I thought it summed it up pretty well.
Carl Froch and adaptable don't belong in the same sentence unless the sentence also contains 'is' and 'not'.

[Steelie]

It's written in the stars that Froch is bound to lose this. Just as he's getting some profile in the mainstream media, he'll get sparked out and be back to square one.

[HattonTheHammer]

It's written in the stars that Froch is bound to lose this. Just as he's getting some profile in the mainstream media, he'll get sparked out and be back to square one.

No way

froch will struggle early doors but hurt kessler bad around 6-7. He`ll keep on him like a mad men right up until the final bell and i expect kessler to be out of there around 11ish

[Rantcatrat]

Do we all agree that Kessler was very much overrated if he loses to Froch on Saturday?

I mean its always easier with 20/20 hindsight, but the guy has never beat a top level guy. He lost to Calzaghe, took three gimme fights, and then lost to Ward. And now if he loses to Froch, which many don't feel is a top level guy (I disagree there but that is a different conversation), he is 0-3 against top competition. Clearly, he can beat the Andrades and Beyers of the world, but he isn't good enough to beat the top guys. That much we'll know.

[Bomp]

Do we all agree that Kessler was very much overrated if he loses to Froch on Saturday?

I mean its always easier with 20/20 hindsight, but the guy has never beat a top level guy. He lost to Calzaghe, took three gimme fights, and then lost to Ward. And now if he loses to Froch, which many don't feel is a top level guy (I disagree there but that is a different conversation), he is 0-3 against top competition. Clearly, he can beat the Andrades and Beyers of the world, but he isn't good enough to beat the top guys. That much we'll know.

On the three gimme fights I think were out of his control, had to risk being sued to get in the super 6 even though he had the title to begin with so would be harsh to say he ducked anyone, especially considering he's had 3 big away fights as a champ.

Rather than overrated I'd say he didn't live up to his potential if he loses again, while Ward fought a good fight IMO the result had more to do with Kess being out of sorts, whether that was temporary or permenant we'll find out on Saturday.

[ono]

If Froch has a unique ability then nobody else has it. Calzaghe can't have it too or it wouldn't be unique.

And Froch just did what he did in his last three fights, walk forward face first throwing punches. The only thing that changed in the Taylor fight was that Taylor ran out of steam and slowed down to Froch speed and Dirrell fought like a prospect away from hom but still won the fight on most peoples' scorecards including the British TV team.

I have to agree with Kirkland. Even as a Froch fan I must concede he is arguably the LEAST adaptable fighter in the Super 6 competition.

He has fought exactly the same way every time I've seen him. He tends to do better when fighters come for him and he can land those uppercuts, but at the level he's fighting at now his opponents have been smarter.

Joe Calzaghe he most definitely is not.

I believe it was Killersheep who said rather than adaptable, he is best described by the adjective 'tenacious'. That sums him up perfectly. He has found a way to win so far, not through being adaptable, he changes nothing, but rather he sticks at it, and has great stamina and mental determination.

You could conceivably argue that he is the mentally strongest fighter in the whole competition, (although we haven't seen Andre Ward' resolve tested yet), but he's simply not adaptable, I would say not even a bit.

It was me but thanks anyway. I thought it summed it up pretty well.
Carl Froch and adaptable don't belong in the same sentence unless the sentence also contains 'is' and 'not'.

Yeah i don't believe he's adaptable. Persistent is a good word for him. He just keeps believing in what he is doing and so far it has worked, although the Dirrell fight was one that he got away with imo.

[ross]

Yeah i don't believe he's adaptable. Persistent is a good word for him. He just keeps believing in what he is doing and so far it has worked, although the Dirrell fight was one that he got away with imo.

He doesnt know any better, his trainer and promoter are both sub standard and they cant tell him any different.