Could Floyd end his career as the best ever?

[amat]

WTF? Jones has 2, count them, 2 hall of famers on his resume under the win column. How the FUCK did he unseat SRR as the GOAT?


*** edit, I guess I forgot McCallum if that even counts. Roy is great maybe the most talented fighter of all time but how could you say 1 win over a mediocre heavyweight unseats SRR? Really that's silly to say, if you believed he was the greatest you believed it far before the win over Ruiz.

[JonesJrMayweather]

WTF? Jones has 2, count them, 2 hall of famers on his resume under the win column. How the FUCK did he unseat SRR as the GOAT?


*** edit, I guess I forgot McCallum if that even counts. Roy is great maybe the most talented fighter of all time but how could you say 1 win over a mediocre heavyweight unseats SRR? Really that's silly to say, if you believed he was the greatest you believed it far before the win over Ruiz.

silly as it may sound to the boxing choir..I don't really give a shit..RJJ p4p best to ever wear gloves...

and that was decided before he beat ruiz, that HW belt just solidified it..

[Truth]

As Jim Lampley said (I believe during the Trinidad Jones fight) : if the object of the game is to fight the easiest guys possible and make the most money possible Roy Jones is the greatest of all time. Please tell em your going by that criterion otherwise you're delusional.

[JonesJrMayweather]

As Jim Lampley said (I believe during the Trinidad Jones fight) : if the object of the game is to fight the easiest guys possible and make the most money possible Roy Jones is the greatest of all time. Please tell em your going by that criterion otherwise you're delusional.

since you can't read I'll say it again:

"silly as it may sound to the boxing choir..I don't really give a shit..RJJ p4p best to ever wear gloves..."

Since you want to throw out quotes here are a couple that sums up RJJ career best...

"what Roy Jones has done is exposed a real paper champion" - Merchant

"Absolutely" - Lampley

"Ohhh no, the man came out here and fought a terrific fight so don't try to tear it down now because he put on a great performance. We sold it as a Heavyweight championship" - Foreman

"The promoters sold not us" merchant

"Well, we bought it. And they're all paper champions then..." - Foreman..

[Taeth]

As Jim Lampley said (I believe during the Trinidad Jones fight) : if the object of the game is to fight the easiest guys possible and make the most money possible Roy Jones is the greatest of all time. Please tell em your going by that criterion otherwise you're delusional.

since you can't read I'll say it again:

"silly as it may sound to the boxing choir..I don't really give a shit..RJJ p4p best to ever wear gloves..."

Since you want to throw out quotes here are a couple that sums up RJJ career best...

"what Roy Jones has done is exposed a real paper champion" - Merchant

"Absolutely" - Lampley

"Ohhh no, the man came out here and fought a terrific fight so don't try to tear it down now because he put on a great performance. We sold it as a Heavyweight championship" - Foreman

"The promoters sold not us" merchant

"Well, we bought it. And they're all paper champions then..." - Foreman..

Watch the first Jones-Griffin fight and you will see that a guy like Mayweather would pick Roy apart because he is throws punches that simply wouldn't land on Floyd because they are too wide and thrown from too far away.

I will completely agree though that Roy was capable of dominating c level competition better than anyone else, but not B+ or higher levels of competition.

[JonesJrMayweather]

As Jim Lampley said (I believe during the Trinidad Jones fight) : if the object of the game is to fight the easiest guys possible and make the most money possible Roy Jones is the greatest of all time. Please tell em your going by that criterion otherwise you're delusional.

since you can't read I'll say it again:

"silly as it may sound to the boxing choir..I don't really give a shit..RJJ p4p best to ever wear gloves..."

Since you want to throw out quotes here are a couple that sums up RJJ career best...

"what Roy Jones has done is exposed a real paper champion" - Merchant

"Absolutely" - Lampley

"Ohhh no, the man came out here and fought a terrific fight so don't try to tear it down now because he put on a great performance. We sold it as a Heavyweight championship" - Foreman

"The promoters sold not us" merchant

"Well, we bought it. And they're all paper champions then..." - Foreman..

Watch the first Jones-Griffin fight and you will see that a guy like Mayweather would pick Roy apart because he is throws punches that simply wouldn't land on Floyd because they are too wide and thrown from too far away.

I will completely agree though that Roy was capable of dominating c level competition better than anyone else, but not B+ or higher levels of competition.

Here we go again...same ole bullshit. Go watch this fight and go watch that fight, but let's forget about the fights were guys who weren't even an eight of Roy's speed landed flush on floyd. Let's forget about how prime floyd arguably lost to castillo a fighter not fit to carry Jones's jock strap..Let's forget chop chop landed flush and wobbled floyd. Let's forget judah unofficially dropped him. Let's forget he couldn't stop a man two weight classes smaller than him. Let's forget all of the fights that point to why Jones would knock floyd silly...Let's not mention the fact that jones spent majority of his career fighting guys naturally bigger than him and did it in dominating fashion. Let's forget that its RJJ that's is often pitted in hypothetical match ups against ALL TIME GREAT TRUE HEAVY'S when he started at 154. This self admission that anyone below heavy stands a punchers chance against roy, and @ MW-LHW Jones beats everyone in history 9 out of 10....

[Taeth]

since you can't read I'll say it again:

"silly as it may sound to the boxing choir..I don't really give a shit..RJJ p4p best to ever wear gloves..."

Since you want to throw out quotes here are a couple that sums up RJJ career best...

"what Roy Jones has done is exposed a real paper champion" - Merchant

"Absolutely" - Lampley

"Ohhh no, the man came out here and fought a terrific fight so don't try to tear it down now because he put on a great performance. We sold it as a Heavyweight championship" - Foreman

"The promoters sold not us" merchant

"Well, we bought it. And they're all paper champions then..." - Foreman..

Watch the first Jones-Griffin fight and you will see that a guy like Mayweather would pick Roy apart because he is throws punches that simply wouldn't land on Floyd because they are too wide and thrown from too far away.

I will completely agree though that Roy was capable of dominating c level competition better than anyone else, but not B+ or higher levels of competition.

Here we go again...same ole bullshit. Go watch this fight and go watch that fight, but let's forget about the fights were guys who weren't even an eight of Roy's speed landed flush on floyd. Let's forget about how prime floyd arguably lost to castillo a fighter not fit to carry Jones's jock strap..Let's forget chop chop landed flush and wobbled floyd. Let's forget judah unofficially dropped him. Let's forget he couldn't stop a man two weight classes smaller than him. Let's forget all of the fights that point to why Jones would knock floyd silly...Let's not mention the fact that jones spent majority of his career fighting guys naturally bigger than him and did it in dominating fashion. Let's forget that its RJJ that's is often pitted in hypothetical match ups against ALL TIME GREAT TRUE HEAVY'S when he started at 154. This self admission that anyone below heavy stands a punchers chance against roy, and @ MW-LHW Jones beats everyone in history 9 out of 10....

I am going to highlight the whole arguement because its terrible, yes Roy was a great fighter, but it's largely contested he never really ever weighed in at 154, a lot of people believe on the smaller stage he was able to fake 160 for 154.
Also the guys who landed flush punches on FLoyd didn't do it with speed, but with proper diligence(do you need me to explain the word). The whole point is that anyone of any speed can land on anyone if they fight correctly, but ROy's flamboyant style has no place against the elites of the sport. Anyone that can come close to matching his speed would likely beat him because of he depended on being so much faster than guys that if he wasn't like against Griffin he had a lot of troubles because their punches would come straighter and land before his.

I think Roy was the greatest fighter against anyone who wasn't in his class athletically, but that was his one true advantage, all his genius and abilities were based on that.

[amat]

There's no problem with you thinking Jones is the best ever to lace them up, there certainly aren't to many who are better. However, he hasn't beaten enough quality opponents to definitively prove that. That's my only point and that's why I took exception to Ruiz being a win that makes him the ATG. It was a great win but it was over an average fighter.

[Kev]

There's no problem with you thinking Floyd is the best ever to lace them up, there certainly aren't to many who are better. However, he hasn't beaten enough quality opponents to definitively prove that. That's my only point and that's why I took exception to Ruiz being a win that makes him the ATG. It was a great win but it was over an average fighter.

You mean Roy of course. You're being very vague and confusing today Amat

[amat]

There's no problem with you thinking Floyd is the best ever to lace them up, there certainly aren't to many who are better. However, he hasn't beaten enough quality opponents to definitively prove that. That's my only point and that's why I took exception to Ruiz being a win that makes him the ATG. It was a great win but it was over an average fighter.

You mean Roy of course. You're being very vague and confusing today Amat

No I'm talking about Dakota Fanning

Yes I'm a bit mixed up this Friday Night.

[JonesJrMayweather]

[quote=amat;870322]There's no problem with you thinking Jones is the best ever to lace them up, there certainly aren't to many who are better. However, he hasn't beaten enough quality opponents to definitively prove that. That's my only point and that's why I took exception to Ruiz being a win that makes him the ATG. It was a great win but it was over an average fighter.[/quote]


so were basillo, lamotta, graziano and gavilian...and he was average enough to win the heavy belt or a piece of it. Something many can't make a claim to have achieved which makes him above average...

[amat]

Are you that stupid? Are you really comparing those guys and saying they are on the level of John Ruiz? Did I just read that correctly? Those are HALL OF FAMERS.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Are you that stupid? Are you really comparing those guys and saying they are on the level of John Ruiz? Did I just read that correctly? Those are HALL OF FAMERS.

The question is are you? Just because they're in the HOF isn't the end all. Skillfully they were nothing compared to SRR. Qawi is in the HOF too but is he on the same level as Floyd or Jones?

[Nameless]

He can go out as one of the best of its generation but he's far from the all time top 20.

[HattonTheHammer]

He can go out as one of the best of its generation but he's far from the all time top 20.

Bit harse fella

He has beaten some world class fighters, never been beaten and if he can manage to win tonight and against pacquiao i would have to say he`d be up there with leonard, hagler, robinson

Him and pacquiao need eachother for either man to cement their legacys. The winner of that fight truly goes down as one of the all time greats!!