That round 2...

[josef4334]

the real question should be

If Mosley would have hit Pacquiao with the same shots he hurt Floyd with in the 2nd round, would Manny of gotten KTFO?!?
IMO yes

i thought we were talking about mayweather mosley round #2?

[Gandalf]

I still don't buy completely into the notion that Mayweather adapted and that's what stumped Mosley. Mosley really looked to have suddenly become a shot fighter as soon as the bell went to signify the end of round 2. Nazeem told him at the end of round 1 that he needed to loosen up, but the heat of round 2 seemingly burned up all that nervous energy that Mosley obviously had. He was spent and from that point on looked a weary and old fighter. There was nothing in him to be sustained.

I think the overtraining idea might have significance, that along with the age and long layoff and Mosley was clearly not who he had once been. Again I will say that Floyd deserves some credit, but after going through the fire in round 2 he found himself against a fighter who had nothing left from then on out.

[Majesty]

I still don't buy completely into the notion that Mayweather adapted and that's what stumped Mosley. Mosley really looked to have suddenly become a shot fighter as soon as the bell went to signify the end of round 2. Nazeem told him at the end of round 1 that he needed to loosen up, but the heat of round 2 seemingly burned up all that nervous energy that Mosley obviously had. He was spent and from that point on looked a weary and old fighter. There was nothing in him to be sustained.

I think the overtraining idea might have significance, that along with the age and long layoff and Mosley was clearly not who he had once been. Again I will say that Floyd deserves some credit, but after going through the fire in round 2 he found himself against a fighter who had nothing left from then on out.

Thing is Mosley has always been like that. His style has always been jittery and he has always moved his hands and always seemed to have buggy whip punches off of reaction.

The difference is when he hurt someone they would backoff and he could chase them down. No one has made Shane fight at their pace. If you make Mosley fight at your pace it's a problem for him.

Even against Margarito, he didn't press a fight to make Shane work harder then he wanted to. Floyd by coming forward and making Shane work in that final minute is what got Shane.

if Floyd had backed off and spent the rest of the round in survival mode, Mosley would have gathered himself and started chasing. But Mayweather instead pressed the action and made Shane work to close that round so much so that Mosley himself had to back off even though he was the one who hurt Floyd. Even Shane admitted that he thought he had Mayweather and played into his hands and once Mayweather adjusted, he couldn't.

Mayweather is the cause of a lot of things that cause him to beat another fighter. For instance..

Point: If Oscar had kept jabbing like he did early he'd have beaten Floyd.

Reason: He stopped jabbing because Floyd had adapted and started countering it

Point: If Judah had fought like the first 3 rounds the whole fight he'd have beaten Floyd.

Reason: He stopped doing it because Floyd found him out and started turning it on after fighting conservative for the early going.

Point: If Mosley had fought the way he did in the 2nd round for every round he'd have won, or if he didn't get tired after it.

Reason: He got tired because after trying to stop Mayweather, Mayweather adjusted and didn't give him a chance to get hie energy back by pressuring him and keeping him on the backfoot from then on. Taking the pace away from Shane.



The reason there are "if x fighter did this he'd have won" are because Mayweather takes what made it effective away from them.

[JonesJrMayweather]

I still don't buy completely into the notion that Mayweather adapted and that's what stumped Mosley. Mosley really looked to have suddenly become a shot fighter as soon as the bell went to signify the end of round 2. Nazeem told him at the end of round 1 that he needed to loosen up, but the heat of round 2 seemingly burned up all that nervous energy that Mosley obviously had. He was spent and from that point on looked a weary and old fighter. There was nothing in him to be sustained.

I think the overtraining idea might have significance, that along with the age and long layoff and Mosley was clearly not who he had once been. Again I will say that Floyd deserves some credit, but after going through the fire in round 2 he found himself against a fighter who had nothing left from then on out.

Thing is Mosley has always been like that. His style has always been jittery and he has always moved his hands and always seemed to have buggy whip punches off of reaction.

The difference is when he hurt someone they would backoff and he could chase them down. No one has made Shane fight at their pace. If you make Mosley fight at your pace it's a problem for him.

Even against Margarito, he didn't press a fight to make Shane work harder then he wanted to. Floyd by coming forward and making Shane work in that final minute is what got Shane.

if Floyd had backed off and spent the rest of the round in survival mode, Mosley would have gathered himself and started chasing. But Mayweather instead pressed the action and made Shane work to close that round so much so that Mosley himself had to back off even though he was the one who hurt Floyd. Even Shane admitted that he thought he had Mayweather and played into his hands and once Mayweather adjusted, he couldn't.

Mayweather is the cause of a lot of things that cause him to beat another fighter. For instance..

Point: If Oscar had kept jabbing like he did early he'd have beaten Floyd.

Reason: He stopped jabbing because Floyd had adapted and started countering it

Point: If Judah had fought like the first 3 rounds the whole fight he'd have beaten Floyd.

Reason: He stopped doing it because Floyd found him out and started turning it on after fighting conservative for the early going.

Point: If Mosley had fought the way he did in the 2nd round for every round he'd have won, or if he didn't get tired after it.

Reason: He got tired because after trying to stop Mayweather, Mayweather adjusted and didn't give him a chance to get hie energy back by pressuring him and keeping him on the backfoot from then on. Taking the pace away from Shane.



The reason there are "if x fighter did this he'd have won" are because Mayweather takes what made it effective away from them.

This is what I mean by blinded from being teabagged by floyd....Shane was tired before he even landed the big shots on floyd.He was breathing with his mouth open half way through the first round. He looked old from the start of the fight and even said "I just couldn't pull the trigger like I wanted to"...

There is no evidence in the history shane mosley to suggest that he backs off when engaged regardless of what the other fighter is doing. He still went forward against winky, vernon, oscar, mayorga, vargas....5 guys who all hit much harder than PBF.

tired and fatique = "can't pull the trigger like I wanted to"


"You ain't boxed before Larry, you have to be in the gym or in the ring to understand what I'm talking right now" - RJJJ

[Myk_Myk]

Mayweather is the cause of a lot of things that cause him to beat another fighter. For instance..

Point: If Oscar had kept jabbing like he did early he'd have beaten Floyd.

Reason: He stopped jabbing because Floyd had adapted and started countering it

Point: If Judah had fought like the first 3 rounds the whole fight he'd have beaten Floyd.

Reason: He stopped doing it because Floyd found him out and started turning it on after fighting conservative for the early going.

Point: If Mosley had fought the way he did in the 2nd round for every round he'd have won, or if he didn't get tired after it.

Reason: He got tired because after trying to stop Mayweather, Mayweather adjusted and didn't give him a chance to get hie energy back by pressuring him and keeping him on the backfoot from then on. Taking the pace away from Shane.



The reason there are "if x fighter did this he'd have won" are because Mayweather takes what made it effective away from them.

One of Floyd's greatest assets is his ability to make adjustments. When we see a fighter get the best of him early on we think, "this could be a great fight!", because it's a given that Floyd will make an adjustment and turn the momentum. You just wonder how long the opponent can sustain the advantage, or if he can regain the momentum later.

We won't see a great fight with Floyd until his opponent is able to be effective early, and then himself make an effective adjustment to Floyd's inevitable momentum changing adjustment.

Question: Did Shane give blood or just urine in that last test he had right before the fight? I'm just wondering if he gave blood, if Pac will say, "See Mosely gave blood right before the fight and it ruined him!"?

[Taeth]

Wow both of you should just shut up

El terrible argued two years ago with me about how marquez was as good as Pacquiao if not better, look how that turned out.

Jonesmayweather argued Mosley was the guy to beat Mayweather, look how that turned out.

People may not agree with me on here, but I almost always end up right.

I'm pissed of because Terrible has consistently been wrong, and I get criticized because I have the foresight to know how good certain fighters are. I stated the greatness of Mayweather and Pacquiao far before most people on here, and I've been 100% right with both of them. People think its hubris to believe a modern fighter could conceivably be the best ever, but either one of these guys have a great chance accomplishing that in many peoples' minds. The fact is their both significantly better than anyone else who has been in the sport over the last 20 years, except maybe Whitaker.

[eagle]

Wow both of you should just shut up

El terrible argued two years ago with me about how marquez was as good as Pacquiao if not better, look how that turned out.

Jonesmayweather argued Mosley was the guy to beat Mayweather, look how that turned out.

People may not agree with me on here, but I almost always end up right.

I'm pissed of because Terrible has consistently been wrong, and I get criticized because I have the foresight to know how good certain fighters are. I stated the greatness of Mayweather and Pacquiao far before most people on here, and I've been 100% right with both of them. People think its hubris to believe a modern fighter could conceivably be the best ever, but either one of these guys have a great chance accomplishing that in many peoples' minds. The fact is their both significantly better than anyone else who has been in the sport over the last 20 years, except maybe Whitaker.

Shit talk about yourself much

[toe2toe]

Wow both of you should just shut up

El terrible argued two years ago with me about how marquez was as good as Pacquiao if not better, look how that turned out.

Jonesmayweather argued Mosley was the guy to beat Mayweather, look how that turned out.

People may not agree with me on here, but I almost always end up right.

I'm pissed of because Terrible has consistently been wrong, and I get criticized because I have the foresight to know how good certain fighters are. I stated the greatness of Mayweather and Pacquiao far before most people on here, and I've been 100% right with both of them. People think its hubris to believe a modern fighter could conceivably be the best ever, but either one of these guys have a great chance accomplishing that in many peoples' minds. The fact is their both significantly better than anyone else who has been in the sport over the last 20 years, except maybe Whitaker.

you owned both elterrible and jonesjr? wow!

[amat]

Wow both of you should just shut up

El terrible argued two years ago with me about how marquez was as good as Pacquiao if not better, look how that turned out.

Jonesmayweather argued Mosley was the guy to beat Mayweather, look how that turned out.

People may not agree with me on here, but I almost always end up right.

I'm pissed of because Terrible has consistently been wrong, and I get criticized because I have the foresight to know how good certain fighters are. I stated the greatness of Mayweather and Pacquiao far before most people on here, and I've been 100% right with both of them. People think its hubris to believe a modern fighter could conceivably be the best ever, but either one of these guys have a great chance accomplishing that in many peoples' minds. The fact is their both significantly better than anyone else who has been in the sport over the last 20 years, except maybe Whitaker.

Guys, this is out of hand.

ETM, for a guy who doesn't like Pacquiao, you tend to talk about him a lot. It happens, I used to post a ton about Calzaghe and I could never stand him. The thread title should NOT have been about how Pacquiao would have taken those shots, Pacquiao wasn't mentioned at all. It's bad when the biggest detractors are the ones first bringing him up in threads not about him.

JonesJrMayweather, you're borderline creepy with all this dude. I know for saying that you will tell me I'm being choked by the cock of Mayweather but it's the truth. You need to take a step back and just start talking about the fight that actually happened. You seem to have this constant need to tell this forum that it wasn't a prime Mosley. Newsflash! Not really, everyone knows this. We know he got tired! I know what it's like seeing a favorite fighter lose when he just doesn't look like himself in the ring and you just have to accept that. You don't have to go to such great lengths to get that point through. Like Nazim said 'Save your excuses for your mother.' My advice is to give the topic a bit of a rest, talk about Nonito Donaire or something. You're talking to yourself at times. It'll be good, you'll be better and possibly less at risk for ulcers.


Majesty - Get off Floyd's nuts or at least try your opinions are a bit incendiary.

Taeth - There are no words to type, only a smilie can profess what I really think of you.














You're the shit man!

[JonesJrMayweather]

Wow both of you should just shut up

El terrible argued two years ago with me about how marquez was as good as Pacquiao if not better, look how that turned out.

Jonesmayweather argued Mosley was the guy to beat Mayweather, look how that turned out.

People may not agree with me on here, but I almost always end up right.

I'm pissed of because Terrible has consistently been wrong, and I get criticized because I have the foresight to know how good certain fighters are. I stated the greatness of Mayweather and Pacquiao far before most people on here, and I've been 100% right with both of them. People think its hubris to believe a modern fighter could conceivably be the best ever, but either one of these guys have a great chance accomplishing that in many peoples' minds. The fact is their both significantly better than anyone else who has been in the sport over the last 20 years, except maybe Whitaker.

Guys, this is out of hand.

ETM, for a guy who doesn't like Pacquiao, you tend to talk about him a lot. It happens, I used to post a ton about Calzaghe and I could never stand him. The thread title should NOT have been about how Pacquiao would have taken those shots, Pacquiao wasn't mentioned at all. It's bad when the biggest detractors are the ones first bringing him up in threads not about him.

JonesJrMayweather, you're borderline creepy with all this dude. I know for saying that you will tell me I'm being choked by the cock of Mayweather but it's the truth. You need to take a step back and just start talking about the fight that actually happened. You seem to have this constant need to tell this forum that it wasn't a prime Mosley. Newsflash! Not really, everyone knows this. We know he got tired! I know what it's like seeing a favorite fighter lose when he just doesn't look like himself in the ring and you just have to accept that. You don't have to go to such great lengths to get that point through. Like Nazim said 'Save your excuses for your mother.' My advice is to give the topic a bit of a rest, talk about Nonito Donaire or something. You're talking to yourself at times. It'll be good, you'll be better and possibly less at risk for ulcers.


Majesty - Get off Floyd's nuts or at least try your opinions are a bit incendiary.

Taeth - There are no words to type, only a smilie can profess what I really think of you.














You're the shit man!

Theyre both my among my favorite fighters. And I never argued that pbf couldn't win. The fight was a disappointment because shane wasn't at his best not because floyd "did a great job" like normally. And floyd deserves credit for exploiting that, but I won't ignore the facts that took place before floyd started to win the fight. I've always argued that if shane doesn't beat him no one will. So you and taeth can relax with all that bullshit. if everyone knows he was old and got tired then why is it a crime to state that?

Lets just throw a fucking parade for floyd since he cries about not getting credit.

and p.s Taeth, prime RJJ would smash everyone p4p over the last twenty years easily..