Roach:mayweather doesnt have his legs anymore

[JazMerkin]

another thing i disagree with is roach saying mayweather doesnt hit hard at the weight, i think he proved he hits plenty hard enough when he fought mosley, he buzzed him on numerous occasions i thought

To be fair mate you had it perfectly spot on with your original assessment. Roach is blowing hot air here, if he actually believes that floyd is on the decline after that performance he`d have himself commited in a mental home.

Hornfinger - pac will go toe to toe for 12solid rounds, he has done it with out and out warriors and mayweather aint a fighter. Floyds best chance against manny would be a performance not too dissimilar to saturday night. Take your opponent out of the game by making him come find you and fight him at your pace before eventually going through the gears and towards the end of rounds becoming the aggressor through sheer speed

He completely disproved that in Round 2 on Saturday when he took Mosley's best shots (this is Shane who has flat KO'd 80% of his opp) and came forward fighting. Not even talking the rest of the fight, he was doing it in that round. Not to mention his fights with Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez and Castillo.

His chin may have got overrated a bit in light of Saturday, but his heart shouldn't be underestimated, he's never shown a bit of quit in him. I'll catch heat for saying this, but for all warrior ways, I think Pac has shown a limit in the first fight with Morales and the second with Marquez, where he actually didn't want to go back out, Roach made him.

I think Mayweather will stop him in the 9th or 10th. As good as Pac is, he made some mistakes against Clottey that would have been punished by a better fighter. Not counting him out by any means, Pac is always quick out of the blocks and Mayweather is a slow starter, so it's possible he stops him early. One facet of Pac's game that has been overestimated in the last few days is his finishing ability, I'd definitely stress that imo, Shane is the better finisher of the two.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I agree with Jaz whole heartedly. If pac was to be effective, he must be 100% effective until such point that the fight may end.

In other words, Pacquiao better 'own' Mayweather for 12 rounds or knock him out quickly or else Floyd will quickly learn to exploit & expose Manny to which point were he'll more than likely quit.

[skel1983]

More I think about it the more I see Pac getting smashed up, Mayweather is a fully grown Welter now he has grown into the weight well the break did him well, he has the power to stop Pac maybe not ko him but he will do enough damage for the ref to stop it, i'm with Jaz late stoppage for Mayweather.

If 10/11 is still going if the fight gets confirmed for Mayweather I am all over it.

[mnmc10]

pac doesnt quit! i may sound like a nut hugger but he doesnt quit.

yes pbf has the speed and maybe power. but pac has a granite chin. he will not go down. and to add he will not stop!


if pac catches pbf just like the 2nd round he will stop pbf.

if we look back whenever roach makes a comment. chances are its true.

pbf was hit and was rocked! if pac can rock pbf it will be over!

[HattonTheHammer]

another thing i disagree with is roach saying mayweather doesnt hit hard at the weight, i think he proved he hits plenty hard enough when he fought mosley, he buzzed him on numerous occasions i thought

To be fair mate you had it perfectly spot on with your original assessment. Roach is blowing hot air here, if he actually believes that floyd is on the decline after that performance he`d have himself commited in a mental home.

Hornfinger - pac will go toe to toe for 12solid rounds, he has done it with out and out warriors and mayweather aint a fighter. Floyds best chance against manny would be a performance not too dissimilar to saturday night. Take your opponent out of the game by making him come find you and fight him at your pace before eventually going through the gears and towards the end of rounds becoming the aggressor through sheer speed

He completely disproved that in Round 2 on Saturday when he took Mosley's best shots (this is Shane who has flat KO'd 80% of his opp) and came forward fighting. Not even talking the rest of the fight, he was doing it in that round. Not to mention his fights with Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez and Castillo.

His chin may have got overrated a bit in light of Saturday, but his heart shouldn't be underestimated, he's never shown a bit of quit in him. I'll catch heat for saying this, but for all warrior ways, I think Pac has shown a limit in the first fight with Morales and the second with Marquez, where he actually didn't want to go back out, Roach made him.

I think Mayweather will stop him in the 9th or 10th. As good as Pac is, he made some mistakes http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...=873381against Clottey that would have been punished by a better fighter. Not counting him out by any means, Pac is always quick out of the blocks and Mayweather is a slow starter, so it's possible he stops him early. One facet of Pac's game that has been overestimated in the last few days is his finishing ability, I'd definitely stress that imo, Shane is the better finisher of the two.

Mosley landed one monster all fight and that was the right hand that hurt floyd bad in the second. He then failed to follow that up and mayweather did an excellent job of getting through the right hand by keeping his guard up and smothering mosleys attempt to get clean shots off.

Sure he hurt floyd we all saw that. But he also ran out of ideas extremely quickly and seemed to lose the will to fight from 5onwards just going through the motions.

Wont happen with pac. You could even ask the most diehard of mayweather fans and they will tell you if that fight ever took place 1-4 would be the rounds where mayweather would have to neutralise his opponent and stay out of harms way early doors. Pacquiao can drop anyone at the drop of a hat. If he is losing the fight by a mile come round 10 he has that ability to pop the overhand and follow it up with a straight cross that can put anyone including floyd mayweather to sleep!!!

[JazMerkin]

To be fair mate you had it perfectly spot on with your original assessment. Roach is blowing hot air here, if he actually believes that floyd is on the decline after that performance he`d have himself commited in a mental home.

Hornfinger - pac will go toe to toe for 12solid rounds, he has done it with out and out warriors and mayweather aint a fighter. Floyds best chance against manny would be a performance not too dissimilar to saturday night. Take your opponent out of the game by making him come find you and fight him at your pace before eventually going through the gears and towards the end of rounds becoming the aggressor through sheer speed

He completely disproved that in Round 2 on Saturday when he took Mosley's best shots (this is Shane who has flat KO'd 80% of his opp) and came forward fighting. Not even talking the rest of the fight, he was doing it in that round. Not to mention his fights with Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez and Castillo.

His chin may have got overrated a bit in light of Saturday, but his heart shouldn't be underestimated, he's never shown a bit of quit in him. I'll catch heat for saying this, but for all warrior ways, I think Pac has shown a limit in the first fight with Morales and the second with Marquez, where he actually didn't want to go back out, Roach made him.

I think Mayweather will stop him in the 9th or 10th. As good as Pac is, he made some mistakes Clottey that would have been punished by a better fighter. Not counting him out by any means, Pac is always quick out of the blocks and Mayweather is a slow starter, so it's possible he stops him early. One facet of Pac's game that has been overestimated in the last few days is his finishing ability, I'd definitely stress that imo, Shane is the better finisher of the two.

Mosley landed one monster all fight and that was the right hand that hurt floyd bad in the second. He then failed to follow that up and mayweather did an excellent job of getting through the right hand by keeping his guard up and smothering mosleys attempt to get clean shots off.

Sure he hurt floyd we all saw that. But he also ran out of ideas extremely quickly and seemed to lose the will to fight from 5onwards just going through the motions.

Wont happen with pac. You could even ask the most diehard of mayweather fans and they will tell you if that fight ever took place 1-4 would be the rounds where mayweather would have to neutralise his opponent and stay out of harms way early doors. Pacquiao can drop anyone at the drop of a hat. If he is losing the fight by a mile come round 10 he has that ability to pop the overhand and follow it up with a straight cross that can put anyone including floyd mayweather to sleep!!!

He landed two. Mosley has almost never had an opponent hurt before and failed to finish. The only times that has happened was in the Cotto fight, and the first fight with Forrest, where the flurry came too late. Give him a 13th round in both those, and he's got two less L's on his record.

I also have to question that second bolded part, throwing an overhand followed by a cross is a fuckery to do without losing your balance, which would leave him in terrible trouble if he didn't connect

The first 3 rounds are where Pac is dangerous as I said, but after that I think Mayweather will adapt and find a way to beat him, leading to either a corner or ref stoppage.

Mosley lost the will because of what his opponent was doing. Jim made an excellent point about him making opponents do 'the nunchuk shuffle'. This is because these fantastically skilled fighters like Zab, Oscar and Shane are used to finding ways to pick holes in an opponent. They couldn't do it, and that's why Shane lost the will because what worked for him his entire career didn't this time.

[HattonTheHammer]

He completely disproved that in Round 2 on Saturday when he took Mosley's best shots (this is Shane who has flat KO'd 80% of his opp) and came forward fighting. Not even talking the rest of the fight, he was doing it in that round. Not to mention his fights with Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez and Castillo.

His chin may have got overrated a bit in light of Saturday, but his heart shouldn't be underestimated, he's never shown a bit of quit in him. I'll catch heat for saying this, but for all warrior ways, I think Pac has shown a limit in the first fight with Morales and the second with Marquez, where he actually didn't want to go back out, Roach made him.

I think Mayweather will stop him in the 9th or 10th. As good as Pac is, he made some mistakes Clottey that would have been punished by a better fighter. Not counting him out by any means, Pac is always quick out of the blocks and Mayweather is a slow starter, so it's possible he stops him early. One facet of Pac's game that has been overestimated in the last few days is his finishing ability, I'd definitely stress that imo, Shane is the better finisher of the two.

Mosley landed one monster all fight and that was the right hand that hurt floyd bad in the second. He then failed to follow that up and mayweather did an excellent job of getting through the right hand by keeping his guard up and smothering mosleys attempt to get clean shots off.

Sure he hurt floyd we all saw that. But he also ran out of ideas extremely quickly and seemed to lose the will to fight from 5onwards just going through the motions.

Wont happen with pac. You could even ask the most diehard of mayweather fans and they will tell you if that fight ever took place 1-4 would be the rounds where mayweather would have to neutralise his opponent and stay out of harms way early doors. Pacquiao can drop anyone at the drop of a hat. If he is losing the fight by a mile come round 10 he has that ability to pop the overhand and follow it up with a straight cross that can put anyone including floyd mayweather to sleep!!!

He landed two. Mosley has almost never had an opponent hurt before and failed to finish. The only times that has happened was in the Cotto fight, and the first fight with Forrest, where the flurry came too late. Give him a 13th round in both those, and he's got two less L's on his record.

I also have to question that second bolded part, throwing an overhand followed by a cross is a fuckery to do without losing your balance, which would leave him in terrible trouble if he didn't connect

The first 3 rounds are where Pac is dangerous as I said, but after that I think Mayweather will adapt and find a way to beat him, leading to either a corner or ref stoppage.

Mosley lost the will because of what his opponent was doing. Jim made an excellent point about him making opponents do 'the nunchuk shuffle'. This is because these fantastically skilled fighters like Zab, Oscar and Shane are used to finding ways to pick holes in an opponent. They couldn't do it, and that's why Shane lost the will because what worked for him his entire career didn't this time.

Ive betted against pac too many times to suggest he isnt the best fighter in the world right now

floyds got the style and the confidence, but pacquiao has the raw qualitys of blistering speed and thunderbolt power to trouble anyone. If pacs getting off clean shots early in it`ll be floyd on his twinkle toes for 12rounds and roach will have the sense to tell pacquiao not to go chasing the fight and fall into mayweathers trap but to relax the punches and stick with the flurried assaults

[JazMerkin]

Mosley landed one monster all fight and that was the right hand that hurt floyd bad in the second. He then failed to follow that up and mayweather did an excellent job of getting through the right hand by keeping his guard up and smothering mosleys attempt to get clean shots off.

Sure he hurt floyd we all saw that. But he also ran out of ideas extremely quickly and seemed to lose the will to fight from 5onwards just going through the motions.

Wont happen with pac. You could even ask the most diehard of mayweather fans and they will tell you if that fight ever took place 1-4 would be the rounds where mayweather would have to neutralise his opponent and stay out of harms way early doors. Pacquiao can drop anyone at the drop of a hat. If he is losing the fight by a mile come round 10 he has that ability to pop the overhand and follow it up with a straight cross that can put anyone including floyd mayweather to sleep!!!

He landed two. Mosley has almost never had an opponent hurt before and failed to finish. The only times that has happened was in the Cotto fight, and the first fight with Forrest, where the flurry came too late. Give him a 13th round in both those, and he's got two less L's on his record.

I also have to question that second bolded part, throwing an overhand followed by a cross is a fuckery to do without losing your balance, which would leave him in terrible trouble if he didn't connect

The first 3 rounds are where Pac is dangerous as I said, but after that I think Mayweather will adapt and find a way to beat him, leading to either a corner or ref stoppage.

Mosley lost the will because of what his opponent was doing. Jim made an excellent point about him making opponents do 'the nunchuk shuffle'. This is because these fantastically skilled fighters like Zab, Oscar and Shane are used to finding ways to pick holes in an opponent. They couldn't do it, and that's why Shane lost the will because what worked for him his entire career didn't this time.

Ive betted against pac too many times to suggest he isnt the best fighter in the world right now

floyds got the style and the confidence, but pacquiao has the raw qualitys of blistering speed and thunderbolt power to trouble anyone. If pacs getting off clean shots early in it`ll be floyd on his twinkle toes for 12rounds and roach will have the sense to tell pacquiao not to go chasing the fight and fall into mayweathers trap but to relax the punches and stick with the flurried assaults

I love it when you try and get into the technical side of the fights Hammer, you're like Teddy Atlas' paralytic cockney nephew. Big H doesn't stand a chance

[Hornfinger]

Pac won't beat mayweather for one reason and one reason alone.

He ain't good enough.

Topic closed.

[JonesJrMayweather]

another thing i disagree with is roach saying mayweather doesnt hit hard at the weight, i think he proved he hits plenty hard enough when he fought mosley, he buzzed him on numerous occasions i thought

To be fair mate you had it perfectly spot on with your original assessment. Roach is blowing hot air here, if he actually believes that floyd is on the decline after that performance he`d have himself commited in a mental home.

Hornfinger - pac will go toe to toe for 12solid rounds, he has done it with out and out warriors and mayweather aint a fighter. Floyds best chance against manny would be a performance not too dissimilar to saturday night. Take your opponent out of the game by making him come find you and fight him at your pace before eventually going through the gears and towards the end of rounds becoming the aggressor through sheer speed

He completely disproved that in Round 2 on Saturday when he took Mosley's best shots (this is Shane who has flat KO'd 80% of his opp) and came forward fighting. Not even talking the rest of the fight, he was doing it in that round. Not to mention his fights with Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez and Castillo.

His chin may have got overrated a bit in light of Saturday, but his heart shouldn't be underestimated, he's never shown a bit of quit in him. I'll catch heat for saying this, but for all warrior ways, I think Pac has shown a limit in the first fight with Morales and the second with Marquez, where he actually didn't want to go back out, Roach made him.

I think Mayweather will stop him in the 9th or 10th. As good as Pac is, he made some mistakes against Clottey that would have been punished by a better fighter. Not counting him out by any means, Pac is always quick out of the blocks and Mayweather is a slow starter, so it's possible he stops him early. One facet of Pac's game that has been overestimated in the last few days is his finishing ability, I'd definitely stress that imo, Shane is the better finisher of the two.

The first shot he took very well...but the temple shot would have put most people down especially considering he didn't even see it..Think that may be an overstatement. Floyd's chin is still very much unquestionable...

[amat]

Roach is just talking out of his ass here. Mayweather didn't use his movement because he didn't want to give Mosley the chance to get the ball rolling with his feet. He wanted to make Mosley fight flatfooted on the outside3 which he knew Mosley wasn't very good at. I don't even think Floyd was that aggressive, I just think he was standing his ground rather then potshotting. He seemed to be carrying his weight on his front foot which was a bit odd I'm not sure I've seen it from Floyd before.

Roach is just goading. I will say this though, that right hand Mosley hit Floyd with wasn't just a right hand. He blinded him or at least distracted him with a jab to the body and then was able to wing a right hand over that. That's very similar to what we have seen Pac do time and time again. That was kind of interesting.

Roach is very annoying though. To bad Nazim couldn't train Pac.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I will say this though, that right hand Mosley hit Floyd with wasn't just a right hand. He blinded him or at least distracted him with a jab to the body and then was able to wing a right hand over that. That's very similar to what we have seen Pac do time and time again. That was kind of interesting.

Round 3: 30 seconds in... Mosley jabs to the body... You tell me what happens next

[amat]

I saw your post on that and I agreed, I don't know if that's really made Mosley completely hesitant but it was about the only time Mayweather snapped off a combo inside of Mosley's punches and it was cool to see.

[Kirkland Laing]

Roach is just clutching at straws. If the best thing he can come up with about Floyd's performance is that he thinks Floyd's legs have gone that tells you all you need to know about what he really thinks of Floyd's performance.

If the fight does happen, and I think Manny will never go for it now, Floyd will just box his normal style and probably win every round. Manny may throw endless punches and never quit against lesser fighters but after two or three rounds of being smashed in the face with Floyd counters every time he tries an attack he'll slow down and will spend the rest of the fight fighting at the pace Floyd wants to fight at. After seeing the Mosley fight there's zero chance that Manny will want to spend nine or ten rounds being picked apart and humiliated by Floyd. There's no way he agrees to the fight.

What we'll get over the next few weeks and possibly months is more bs from Roach and endless bs and obfuscation from Team Needle during any negotiations with the aim of getting as many people as possible in the media and among boxing fans to blame Floyd when the negotiations fall through.