how hurt was cintron really??

[Kev]

I once fell off my bed onto the carpet and bent my neck back a bit.

I thought I was going to die, the pain was agonising.

[:::PSL:::]

The cry-babyitch was fakin' it big time, and the ring doctor had no choice but to play it safe whether he believed Cintron or not.

Anyways, I thought it was a very competitive fight.

[Kev]

The cry-babyitch was fakin' it big time, and the ring doctor had no choice but to play it safe whether he believed Cintron or not.

Anyways, I thought it was a very competitive fight.

Why exactly would someone fake an injury so they could lose a fight on the cards?

Of course he wasn't faking don't be ridiculous.

He got hurt and couldn't continue, and then got screwed over with a stupid points loss.

People hold the Martinez draw against him but he wasn't a judge, that wasn't his fault, and he did take that fight at only two weeks notice.

He came to win tonight, and was boxing well up to the unfortunate incident.

[Dizaster]

I want to see how he ended up outside the ring Royal Rumble style...

By how people are saying his back landed on monitors, it could have been an injury that would have hindered his performance... Or maybe just the shock of finding himself outside the ring and layed out over some electrical equipment may have made him more sensitive to whatever pain there was,,,, yet if he suffered the same thing from a punch,,, he would have just considered it par for the course and kept on fighting..

[:::PSL:::]

The cry-babyitch was fakin' it big time, and the ring doctor had no choice but to play it safe whether he believed Cintron or not.

Anyways, I thought it was a very competitive fight.

Why exactly would someone fake an injury so they could lose a fight on the cards?

Of course he wasn't faking don't be ridiculous.

He got hurt and couldn't continue, and then got screwed over with a stupid points loss.

People hold the Martinez draw against him but he wasn't a judge, that wasn't his fault, and he did take that fight at only two weeks notice.

He came to win tonight, and was boxing well up to the unfortunate incident.

The first 45 seconds, I believe he was in pain but not in great deal. C'mon man. He couldn't suck the pain up? If he really wanted to continue, then at least he should've showed some effort to get up. He was acting like he got paralized or something.

That's the fourth fight I've seen him biitch like that. HBO should ban him their programs.

[piye]

The ref told him not to move as if it was a puncture it would have caused more damage, this si why he didn't move.

[Kev]

The cry-babyitch was fakin' it big time, and the ring doctor had no choice but to play it safe whether he believed Cintron or not.

Anyways, I thought it was a very competitive fight.

Why exactly would someone fake an injury so they could lose a fight on the cards?

Of course he wasn't faking don't be ridiculous.

He got hurt and couldn't continue, and then got screwed over with a stupid points loss.

People hold the Martinez draw against him but he wasn't a judge, that wasn't his fault, and he did take that fight at only two weeks notice.

He came to win tonight, and was boxing well up to the unfortunate incident.

The first 45 seconds, I believe he was in pain but not in great deal. C'mon man. He couldn't suck the pain up? If he really wanted to continue, then at least he should've showed some effort to get up. He was acting like he got paralized or something.

That's the fourth fight I've seen him biitch like that. HBO should ban him their programs.

The doctors told him to stay down. I just think it's absurd to think that a professional fighter, a former world champion, and one who had the balls to beat arguably the hottest young rising star in the weight class last time out would dive out of the ring and fake an injury in order to get out of a fight most of us thought he was winning.

It should be ruled a no contest and a rematch mandated. It's disappointing for everyone involved but that's life, these things happen.

It's far more reasonable to place the blame on whoever put the ring together which offered him no support at all than to blame a fighter for getting injured just becuase you don't like him personally or thought he was gifted a draw against Martinez.

I thought Cintron was boxing well last night, no way would he want out of the fight, face down on the floor in an embarrassing fashion like that it's just a ridiculous thing to suggest.

I'm sure he has as much, if not more pride than most of us and nobody else would want to end up in that situation.

Of course he would have continued if he had been able to.

[boozeboxer]

I was just kidding when I suggested falling out of the ring was some sort of plan on his part or anyone's part.

However, I think a guy with more heart would have tried to continue.

[blegit]

I do see why the fans are mad because this fight would've been nice to see. But I can't see any logical reason Cintron would fake this ordeal as opposed to continue to win this fight and be more lucrative. This ordeal would only devalue Cintron. Cintron was winning this fight and Williams was looking available for a composed Cintron to land that big right hand. I think Cintron came in with a good plan and picked his spots unlike how he used to fight. Even Williams wasn't coming straight in like he normally does against anybody.

[Myk_Myk]

The doctors told him to stay down. I just think it's absurd to think that a professional fighter, a former world champion, and one who had the balls to beat arguably the hottest young rising star in the weight class last time out would dive out of the ring and fake an injury in order to get out of a fight most of us thought he was winning.

You're right, it is absurd! The doctors told him to stay down. I'm sure no other fighter would have tried to get up after being winded, but then catching their breath and realizing they were OK to fight.

Can anybody here think of a fighter who wouldn't have just stayed there motionless while the doctors rolled them over, put a neck brace on them, and strapped them onto a stretcher, even though they wanted to continue?

Hmmm, I think I can come up with some who I think would've angrily shoved the doctors away, and done their best to get back in the ring. Let's make a list. I'll start it:

1. Ann Wolfe

[Swice]

Paul Wallace, the doctor from the CIntron Williams fight.

"I did say I wanted the fight stopped because the fighter twice said he could not continue," Dr. Paul Wallace told The Times. "He was asked, 'Can you continue?' and he said 'no.' Twice. If he had mentioned to me something like, 'Give me a moment ... ,' I understand; these are warriors. Any hint that he still wanted to participate we would've given that to him. We would have got him up and given him a second evaluation."

[fan johnny]

Some of you guys got it WRONG! and have too much BS to say.

Here is the problem. Cintron fell out of the ring over a table with equipment on it. He immediately reached to his back and neck area gesturing in pain. The ring side Doctor(s) saw it. (And possible heard Cintron complaining) Had they taken any other action other the one of precaution and Cintron ended up having further injuries as a result of a non-cautionary response, the ring Doctor would have been blamed. The Commission had no choice but to back the Doctor's orders completely. He obviously had some pain, and had people around him ordering him not to move. And it also looked like Cintron was saying he was ok and wanted to continue.

[Kev]

Some of you guys got it WRONG! and have too much BS to say.

Here is the problem. Cintron fell out of the ring over a table with equipment on it. He immediately reached to his back and neck area gesturing in pain. The ring side Doctor(s) saw it. (And possible heard Cintron complaining) Had they taken any other action other the one of precaution and Cintron ended up having further injuries as a result of a non-cautionary response, the ring Doctor would have been blamed. The Commission had no choice but to back the Doctor's orders completely. He obviously had some pain, and had people around him ordering him not to move. And it also looked like Cintron was saying he was ok and wanted to continue.

Yeah it's a good point you make, the health and safety of the fighter is paramount and had he broke a disc or vertebrae and tried to carry on fighting it could have been very dangerous.

It reminds me of a similar (albiet very different) scenario in chess last year. A young and rather maverick GM with a wildboy reputation turned up for a tournament game drunk and then fell asleep.

He was woken by the arbiter after his opponent reported him as having been passed out for several minutes and resumed playing, although subsequently disqualified.

Afterwards there was huge controversy about whether the arbiter should have woken him up. People said he should have just been left and if he ran out of time tough. It was big news in the chess world and very topical discussion.

The arbiter made an excellent defence of his actions however when he said, that he wasn't waking him to prevent him from losing on time, but rather it was his job, in the interests of health and safety to check that an unconscious person was actually ok!

It's such an obvious point that it tends to get overlooked. We argue all kinds of other semantics, and miss the obvious, like in this case.

A person had a bad fall and was clearly in pain. A doctor HAS to take precautions, especially with back injuries. As soon as it became clear that Cintron was in pain and couldn't get straight back up the doctors pretty much had to stop that fight.

[Andre]

Yeah well, getting on the screen has strange effects on some.

[Youngblood]

I'm not blaming the doctors one bit. They did their job. I had Cintron ahead on the cards. I believe he thought he was too. But the whole thing was so bizarre it looked like he actually jumped through the ropes increasing the force of the leap....then went hollywood with it. I truly felt that before I even had a clue what was going to happen with the decision and all. I sorta expected it to be NC or somehow a win for him.

I'd really have to see it more to form a serious opinion, but my first impression is the guys simply a melodramatic tool and helped that whole situation along.