Pac's not ready for Floyd....

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Yes Shane was outboxed by Cotto but Shane is still faster with his hands than Miguel....Miguel #1 Used a solid jab to outbox Shane (as is the blueprint) and #2 his attack is based on timing....maybe this is me reading too much into it but Pacquiao is from the Phillipines and Asian countries have music with a totally different beat and rhythm to it and maybe that is what kept Cotto from timing Manny, but whatever it was Cotto was never right in that fight.

Clottey didn't offer much to Manny either, he just shelled up.

As for the Hatton fight, that means nothing to me...it took George Foreman 2 rounds to stop Joe Frazier and Ali ALWAYS had difficulty with Smokin Joe but beating Foreman was easy for him.

Exactly. Styles make fights..and Floyd's style and ability to adapt is all wrong for Manny. As I have mentioned on numerous occasions...the best fighter Pac has fought was Marquez. Marquez showed that a skilled counter puncher can give Pac fits. Well...Floyd is faster and more skilled than Marquez. Add to that...Floyd never tires...logically...you have to say Floyd is the favorite. Having said that...Pac is the best PRIME fighter Floyd has fought...so Mayweather will have his hands full. But ultimately...Manny fights one way. Whereas Floyd can adapt to anything and has a plan A, B, C etc. Add to that...Manny will have the election distractions...and Floyd basically lives in the gym. I see Floyd putting on a clinic.

Floyd doen't have the work rate in the ring to keep up with Manny. Floyd is the poster boy boxer in technique that looks really good for sure and if the outside boxer style was the only one that counted in the ring, Floyd would win hands down. This is not the case and Manny is the better fighter hands down. Whether or not Manny can KO Floyd remains to be seen. Manny's work rate is enough to overwhelm Floyd and easily win the fight by rounds. Standing toe-to-toe would be a huge mistake for Floyd. Floyd and his trainers don't appreciate the way Manny's style comes across to the viewer and often make comment that he is an amateur. This is a Fallacy and will ultimately be Floyd's doom.

Some of you Pac fans are drinking too much of Freddy Roach's cool aid. Trying to pressure Floyd and overwhelm him has been proven to be ineffective. Again...Manny has not faced a great fighter on top of his game since Marquez. A lot of people are going to be scratching their heads if they think Manny's performances against Oscar, Hatton, and Cotto is any indicator of what will happen against Floyd. Those guys all had stamina issues...not to mention their skill set, speed, and smarts is no where near Floyd's. Please tell me...what will happen if Manny can't overwhelm Floyd with his workrate? I know it's hard for some of you Pac fans to imagine that. But lets just say it happens. Has he shown that he can box any other way? Is he a fighter that can adapt against a master technician who has tremendous stamina and speed? Floyd will get up for this fight. Once Manny realizes he cannot tire Floyd out or most likely even hurt him...game over. No over the hill, weight drained Oscar. No one dimensional brawler and weight yo yo er in Hatton. No mentally and physically weakened fighter in Cotto. He will be facing a guy who is just as fast as him. Just as good a stamina as him. But way more skill and smarts. Roach crapped in his pants when he saw Floyd take Shane's best punch and shake it off. Only person who might get KOed in this fight will be Manny. And I say all of that not being a big Floyd fan. I just know a better boxer when i see one.

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Exactly. Styles make fights..and Floyd's style and ability to adapt is all wrong for Manny. As I have mentioned on numerous occasions...the best fighter Pac has fought was Marquez. Marquez showed that a skilled counter puncher can give Pac fits. Well...Floyd is faster and more skilled than Marquez. Add to that...Floyd never tires...logically...you have to say Floyd is the favorite. Having said that...Pac is the best PRIME fighter Floyd has fought...so Mayweather will have his hands full. But ultimately...Manny fights one way. Whereas Floyd can adapt to anything and has a plan A, B, C etc. Add to that...Manny will have the election distractions...and Floyd basically lives in the gym. I see Floyd putting on a clinic.

Floyd doen't have the work rate in the ring to keep up with Manny. Floyd is the poster boy boxer in technique that looks really good for sure and if the outside boxer style was the only one that counted in the ring, Floyd would win hands down. This is not the case and Manny is the better fighter hands down. Whether or not Manny can KO Floyd remains to be seen. Manny's work rate is enough to overwhelm Floyd and easily win the fight by rounds. Standing toe-to-toe would be a huge mistake for Floyd. Floyd and his trainers don't appreciate the way Manny's style comes across to the viewer and often make comment that he is an amateur. This is a Fallacy and will ultimately be Floyd's doom.

Some of you Pac fans are drinking too much of Freddy Roach's cool aid. Trying to pressure Floyd and overwhelm him has been proven to be ineffective. Again...Manny has not faced a great fighter on top of his game since Marquez. A lot of people are going to be scratching their heads if they think Manny's performances against Oscar, Hatton, and Cotto is any indicator of what will happen against Floyd. Those guys all had stamina issues...not to mention their skill set, speed, and smarts is no where near Floyd's. Please tell me...what will happen if Manny can't overwhelm Floyd with his workrate? I know it's hard for some of you Pac fans to imagine that. But lets just say it happens. Has he shown that he can box any other way? Is he a fighter that can adapt against a master technician who has tremendous stamina and speed? Floyd will get up for this fight. Once Manny realizes he cannot tire Floyd out or most likely even hurt him...game over. No over the hill, weight drained Oscar. No one dimensional brawler and weight yo yo er in Hatton. No mentally and physically weakened fighter in Cotto. He will be facing a guy who is just as fast as him. Just as good a stamina as him. But way more skill and smarts. Roach crapped in his pants when he saw Floyd take Shane's best punch and shake it off. Only person who might get KOed in this fight will be Manny. And I say all of that not being a big Floyd fan. I just know a better boxer when i see one.

I don't think we should go there with discrediting a guy's accomplishments and pick holes in his resume, because it could be done with any fighter ( I did it with Pac before but it was done as to rile up his fans and wasn't serious). I favor Floyd slightly in a upcoming match but no way is it that cut and dry.

[Gandalf]

Floyd doen't have the work rate in the ring to keep up with Manny. Floyd is the poster boy boxer in technique that looks really good for sure and if the outside boxer style was the only one that counted in the ring, Floyd would win hands down. This is not the case and Manny is the better fighter hands down. Whether or not Manny can KO Floyd remains to be seen. Manny's work rate is enough to overwhelm Floyd and easily win the fight by rounds. Standing toe-to-toe would be a huge mistake for Floyd. Floyd and his trainers don't appreciate the way Manny's style comes across to the viewer and often make comment that he is an amateur. This is a Fallacy and will ultimately be Floyd's doom.

Some of you Pac fans are drinking too much of Freddy Roach's cool aid. Trying to pressure Floyd and overwhelm him has been proven to be ineffective. Again...Manny has not faced a great fighter on top of his game since Marquez. A lot of people are going to be scratching their heads if they think Manny's performances against Oscar, Hatton, and Cotto is any indicator of what will happen against Floyd. Those guys all had stamina issues...not to mention their skill set, speed, and smarts is no where near Floyd's. Please tell me...what will happen if Manny can't overwhelm Floyd with his workrate? I know it's hard for some of you Pac fans to imagine that. But lets just say it happens. Has he shown that he can box any other way? Is he a fighter that can adapt against a master technician who has tremendous stamina and speed? Floyd will get up for this fight. Once Manny realizes he cannot tire Floyd out or most likely even hurt him...game over. No over the hill, weight drained Oscar. No one dimensional brawler and weight yo yo er in Hatton. No mentally and physically weakened fighter in Cotto. He will be facing a guy who is just as fast as him. Just as good a stamina as him. But way more skill and smarts. Roach crapped in his pants when he saw Floyd take Shane's best punch and shake it off. Only person who might get KOed in this fight will be Manny. And I say all of that not being a big Floyd fan. I just know a better boxer when i see one.

I don't think we should go there with discrediting a guy's accomplishments and pick holes in his resume, because it could be done with any fighter ( I did it with Pac before but it was done as to rile up his fans and wasn't serious). I favor Floyd slightly in a upcoming match but no way is it that cut and dry.

Agreed.

Actually, I am more impressed with Pac's recent wins than Floyds though. Beating Hatton and then Cotto and as effortlessly as he did was stunning. His win over Clottey was a little less impressive, but still a thorough pounding to the distance. Whilst his face has been a little marked up, at no point could you say Pac has been wobbled in recent fights. Marquez was way too small for Mayweather and though Mosley was a better opponent, I do think he has declined significantly and Mayweather did go to the trenches in round two.

It's a pick 'em for me. I really can see it going either way, but Mayweather being hurt twice in a round like that makes me think that Pac will do it far more often and Mayweather won't have that much of a target to hold on to.