Pac's not ready for Floyd....

[JSwift]

I dont believe either of their resumes for the past few fights should be considered all star caliber. And while a lot of emphasis on this post seems to be focused on punching power. I think that Floyd's counter punching and more importantly, his 5-6 inch reach advantage will be a major factor. Of course this wont be the first time Pac has fought a man with longer arms, but fighting a guy with longer arms whose primary attacks are the left hand check hook and the straight right hand could spell problems. Maybe if Pac used more lateral movement I would feel better about his chances. Or the fact that Clottey could hit him when he decided during every lunar eclipse to throw a punch. There's no excuse for Manny's face to look like that after that fight.

[toe2toe]

I dont believe either of their resumes for the past few fights should be considered all star caliber. And while a lot of emphasis on this post seems to be focused on punching power. I think that Floyd's counter punching and more importantly, his 5-6 inch reach advantage will be a major factor. Of course this wont be the first time Pac has fought a man with longer arms, but fighting a guy with longer arms whose primary attacks are the left hand check hook and the straight right hand could spell problems. Maybe if Pac used more lateral movement I would feel better about his chances. Or the fact that Clottey could hit him when he decided during every lunar eclipse to throw a punch. There's no excuse for Manny's face to look like that after that fight.

clottey's offense was irrelevant. pacquiao won almost all the rounds. he dominated clottey and clottey didn't really hurt or wobbled pacquiao.

[Chino]

Mayweather likes to wait and Manny is quick enough and active enough to make Mayweather pay

Sure, can't really compare Hatton to Pac but he kept his pressure on Mayweather and looked busy only to have Mayweather countering him until a late stoppage. I thought pressure fighters who throw punches all night was just another style that favored Floyd.

Well for sure these will be the excuses when 1 of them loses.

For Manny's supporters: Too small and jumping up too much in weight
For Floyd's supporters: Too old and ring rust

I'm sure these will be the excuses

Just like the excuses given for Mayweather's victories. People where bashing him because he wouldn't face a real welter and even throwing Shane's name in there. Floyd beats him and excuses were still heard about how Shane was no good.

Floyd was stunned by Mosley , and Pac is a fast starter , so he can catch Floyd early and change the whole fight

Floyd has been sparked two or three times in his whole career (Corley, Judah, and Mosley) only to come back and dominate the fight and come out clean as if he didn't even get in the ring. Manny has been kocked out, sparked, hurt, wobbly legs, exhausted, cut, bruised, etc. I give Pac a puncher's chance and when it comes to punching fast and with power, Pac's the man so far. I give Floyd the boxers/defense/speed/smarts chance. I see Floyd with more tricks in his bag than Manny. Still, if someone can beat Floyd the only one that comes to mind is Manny.

That's the kind of fight I want to see Floyd lose - where he was pressed to fight his best - which will be dazzling - and still unable to produce a victory

Exactly. A fight where the loser showed he gave it his best. For example, I don't feel that bad for ODLH loss vs Hopkins. Oscar was throwing his fast piercing jab, left hook, speedy combinations, working the body, defense, etc. and lost the fight. He brought it all to the table and lost. That is why I don't give Pac so much credit for his win vs Oscar as Oscar didn't do ANYTHING really. Same thing with any other guy who has fought after his prime and just looked bad: Camacho vs Leonard, Ali vs Berbick, Tyson vs McBride, etc.

he dominated clottey and clottey didn't really hurt or wobbled pacquiao

It took just a few punches to bust Pac's face as it normally happens to him in every single fight.

[JSwift]

I dont believe either of their resumes for the past few fights should be considered all star caliber. And while a lot of emphasis on this post seems to be focused on punching power. I think that Floyd's counter punching and more importantly, his 5-6 inch reach advantage will be a major factor. Of course this wont be the first time Pac has fought a man with longer arms, but fighting a guy with longer arms whose primary attacks are the left hand check hook and the straight right hand could spell problems. Maybe if Pac used more lateral movement I would feel better about his chances. Or the fact that Clottey could hit him when he decided during every lunar eclipse to throw a punch. There's no excuse for Manny's face to look like that after that fight.

clottey's offense was irrelevant. pacquiao won almost all the rounds. he dominated clottey and clottey didn't really hurt or wobbled pacquiao.

im agreeing with you. thats why i couldnt understand why pac's face was so worn out. when clottey threw one of his four uppercuts the whole fight, it landed. he just didnt wanna throw it or anything else for that matter

[zhubin]

Some people just want to evade logic or the facts. Again...the best fighter Pac has faced is Marquez. Floyd does everything Marquez does X2...plus he has unequaled defense. This isn't about who's personality we like better. It's about who is the better boxer. I have no problem admitting that Pac's resume is better than Floyd's. But too many people are equating Pac's recent performances to what will happen against Mayweather. Pac...for all of his improvements and athleticism...still fights one way. He is still easy to hit. You can wear down lesser opponents with stamina issues. But against a master technician who is also a supreme athlete...you better have a lot more in your bag than "i am going to overwhelm him with my work rate." You cannot beat Floyd by simply pressuring him. Pac will bring out the best in Mayweather...and Floyd's best IMO, will bee too much for Manny.

[generalbulldog]

Some people just want to evade logic or the facts. Again...the best fighter Pac has faced is Marquez. Floyd does everything Marquez does X2...plus he has unequaled defense. This isn't about who's personality we like better. It's about who is the better boxer. I have no problem admitting that Pac's resume is better than Floyd's. But too many people are equating Pac's recent performances to what will happen against Mayweather. Pac...for all of his improvements and athleticism...still fights one way. He is still easy to hit. You can wear down lesser opponents with stamina issues. But against a master technician who is also a supreme athlete...you better have a lot more in your bag than "i am going to overwhelm him with my work rate." You cannot beat Floyd by simply pressuring him. Pac will bring out the best in Mayweather...and Floyd's best IMO, will bee too much for Manny.

No, what you did was discredit a fighter and picked holes in his resume and tried to discredit his career. This can be done with any fighter.

[zhubin]

Some people just want to evade logic or the facts. Again...the best fighter Pac has faced is Marquez. Floyd does everything Marquez does X2...plus he has unequaled defense. This isn't about who's personality we like better. It's about who is the better boxer. I have no problem admitting that Pac's resume is better than Floyd's. But too many people are equating Pac's recent performances to what will happen against Mayweather. Pac...for all of his improvements and athleticism...still fights one way. He is still easy to hit. You can wear down lesser opponents with stamina issues. But against a master technician who is also a supreme athlete...you better have a lot more in your bag than "i am going to overwhelm him with my work rate." You cannot beat Floyd by simply pressuring him. Pac will bring out the best in Mayweather...and Floyd's best IMO, will bee too much for Manny.

No, what you did was discredit a fighter and picked holes in his resume and tried to discredit his career. This can be done with any fighter.

Again...questions and arguments being evaded. I didn't discredit his career. I questioned the quality of his last few wins. I questioned whether he has the skill set or ability to beat Mayweather. I already stated he has a better resume than Floyd. Some of just don't blindly worship fighters and illogically think they can beat anyone.

[generalbulldog]

Some people just want to evade logic or the facts. Again...the best fighter Pac has faced is Marquez. Floyd does everything Marquez does X2...plus he has unequaled defense. This isn't about who's personality we like better. It's about who is the better boxer. I have no problem admitting that Pac's resume is better than Floyd's. But too many people are equating Pac's recent performances to what will happen against Mayweather. Pac...for all of his improvements and athleticism...still fights one way. He is still easy to hit. You can wear down lesser opponents with stamina issues. But against a master technician who is also a supreme athlete...you better have a lot more in your bag than "i am going to overwhelm him with my work rate." You cannot beat Floyd by simply pressuring him. Pac will bring out the best in Mayweather...and Floyd's best IMO, will bee too much for Manny.

No, what you did was discredit a fighter and picked holes in his resume and tried to discredit his career. This can be done with any fighter.

Again...questions and arguments being evaded. I didn't discredit his career. I questioned the quality of his last few wins. I questioned whether he has the skill set or ability to beat Mayweather. I already stated he has a better resume than Floyd. Some of just don't blindly worship fighters and illogically think they can beat anyone.

Sure if you want to play that game about questioning the guy's last few wins. Let's do it with Floyd then.


De La Hoya- 34 years old, past his prime and mainly inactive during that time.
Hatton-Fought at 147 against Floyd, prior to that he looked like crap moving to 147.
Marquez-Went life and death at 135 against Diaz and Casamayor, so he was bound to look like crap fighting at the welterweight division and at 36 years old.
Mosley-38 1/2 years old with a 16 month layoff.

It's pretty easy ain't it to pick holes in a guy's wins?

And I already said that I favor Floyd in a matchup against Pacquiao, but ain't it easy to discredit a guy's victories?