US students kicked of school campus for wearing US flag t-shirts

[Nameless]

Actually, I disagree with the kids being kicked out from school. Sure maybe it was provocation, which is not correct, however, it wasn't like if they did burn a Mexican flag or something, they were wearing the flag of their country in their country! In Canada for those who might not know it, we have 2 national holiday, June 24 and July 1st. July 24 is the national day for French part of Canada, la "St-Jean Baptiste", VERY popular here and I would even say by far far more than July first, you can't even compare it. How often do you think we've seen peoples in Montreal walking with Canadian flags when the whole rest of the province is walking with our blue and white on it only to provoke and ruin things? How many English native are doing so in the countryside where 95% of the kids speak french only to provoke things? It happens often. IT is not especially nice but it is the flag of our country as much as some might dislike it and till the opposite is proven, Quebec isn't independent yet from Canada. It is perhaps unnecessary provocation but you cannot throw a kid from school for that and I think that the same example is also valid for the Cinco de Mayo thing.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I'd love to research Canadian History because I know nothing about this country except it has some breathtaking scenery and that it's a bit like the USA only less violent and possibly a bit more articulated

[Nameless]

I'd love to research Canadian History because I know nothing about this country except it has some breathtaking scenery and that it's a bit like the USA only less violent and possibly a bit more articulated

I don't know about articulation but it is definitely less violent, we have nothing that comes close to the Bronx, the hot spots of L.A or Detroit. We have our load of things not to be proud of though, starting by how the natives file has been dealt with how we're dealing our drinkable water sources but there is definitely a lot of places that are worth to be seen, especially for the nature lovers.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I don't know about articulation but it is definitely less violent, we have nothing that comes close to the Bronx, the hot spots of L.A or Detroit. We have our load of things not to be proud of though, starting by how the natives file has been dealt with how we're dealing our drinkable water sources but there is definitely a lot of places that are worth to be seen, especially for the nature lovers.

Oh okay. I mean I'm just interested in the whole English/ French co-existence... I want to find it remarkable but I wasn't aware that there was any tension there (like i say, i know nothing abut Canada!)

Yeah i'm just keen to look into the history of your country. How it all came to be etc...

[Nameless]

Oh okay. I mean I'm just interested in the whole English/ French co-existence... I want to find it remarkable but I wasn't aware that there was any tension there (like i say, i know nothing abut Canada!)

Yeah i'm just keen to look into the history of your country. How it all came to be etc...

There is some tensions, sometimes when drunktards from both "clan" meet there are fighting but really, it is more of a big rivalry and because some laws are unfair for the French natives, it is far from being close to the unthinkable like the ethnic war going on in Iraq or the Kurdish case in Turkey. In a nutshell: French discovered Canada first, English came then, both used some native tribes to help their side, they slammed each others on the head, France did stop to help its colonies, not England, French lost and at the time, English quite tried to assimilate them by force.
The biggest modern problem is that Quebec gives more to the Country proportionally than any other provinces, which angers French Canadians, our current Nuts Prime Minister corrected partly the problem by re-giving a part of it (which the other Federal Gov always denied us) and some things are just weighted with 2 measures: For example, legally speaking, the Country has officially recognized both languages, French and English as our official ones. Normally, we are supposed to be able to receive health cares and any primal services in both languages. This is only true in Quebec and in a very few town in the North of Ontario. Institutions in Quebec receive the stick every time somebody is not answered in a clean cut English if they make a complaint but in the rest of Canada, it is almost impossible to have essential services in French, even in Toronto you can absolutely forget it but the gov doesn't do nothing about it. Same for the Army, before the official army manual was in both languages, now they did cut the french version to save money and it's only in English. When every official stuff are supposed to be both released in french and English, it's quite a slap. Air Carrier Air Canada has been found guilty many times of not having at least one member of the crew speaking french on board, every time they babble about giving formations to their employees so it would not happen again but the problem doesn't change, really.

There is a couple of other situations like that and that's mostly where the modern conflicts and tension emerges, that coupled with the fact that in Montreal, there is a very wealthy English community living on West Island and some of them never learned french and said they didn't have to because the country was foremost English and that French wasn't important and that there is no reasons why they should speak it. One of them Galganov even wrote a book called "Bastards" where basically, he's spitting hatred against French Canadians... Mix it all together and you have a bit of electricity when it comes to politics discussions. However, I would say that for the huge majority on both side, we're living very well together, really. Personally I am not for the separation of Quebec from the rest of Canada, I just think that some things should be made fairer for the french natives (like for the proportion of money given and the bilingual stuff) and that we should call these rivalry a day... except when the Montreal Canadians are playing the Leafs, of course If you cut the bunch of nutters on both side and do not mix politics when it's election time or national holidays, it's not that bad at all really, everywhere I went and met some Canadians on vacations it has always been a good time, just don't mix the nutters who think that french Canadians are extreme potential terrorists and the others that see english speakers as potential enemies and it's all ok.

p.s: Sometihng interesting: Quebec provincial rules are far different from the rest of those in the Country as they are a mix of the Napoleon Code and the English Common law, which is unique to the Province.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

There is some tensions, sometimes when drunktards from both "clan" meet there are fighting but really, it is more of a big rivalry and because some laws are unfair for the French natives, it is far from being close to the unthinkable like the ethnic war going on in Iraq or the Kurdish case in Turkey. In a nutshell: French discovered Canada first, English came then, both used some native tribes to help their side, they slammed each others on the head, France did stop to help its colonies, not England, French lost and at the time, English quite tried to assimilate them by force.
The biggest modern problem is that Quebec gives more to the Country proportionally than any other provinces, which angers French Canadians, our current Nuts Prime Minister corrected partly the problem by re-giving a part of it (which the other Federal Gov always denied us) and some things are just weighted with 2 measures: For example, legally speaking, the Country has officially recognized both languages, French and English as our official ones. Normally, we are supposed to be able to receive health cares and any primal services in both languages. This is only true in Quebec and in a very few town in the North of Ontario. Institutions in Quebec receive the stick every time somebody is not answered in a clean cut English if they make a complaint but in the rest of Canada, it is almost impossible to have essential services in French, even in Toronto you can absolutely forget it but the gov doesn't do nothing about it. Same for the Army, before the official army manual was in both languages, now they did cut the french version to save money and it's only in English. When every official stuff are supposed to be both released in french and English, it's quite a slap. Air Carrier Air Canada has been found guilty many times of not having at least one member of the crew speaking french on board, every time they babble about giving formations to their employees so it would not happen again but the problem doesn't change, really.

There is a couple of other situations like that and that's mostly where the modern conflicts and tension emerges, that coupled with the fact that in Montreal, there is a very wealthy English community living on West Island and some of them never learned french and said they didn't have to because the country was foremost English and that French wasn't important and that there is no reasons why they should speak it. One of them Galganov even wrote a book called "Bastards" where basically, he's spitting hatred against French Canadians... Mix it all together and you have a bit of electricity when it comes to politics discussions. However, I would say that for the huge majority on both side, we're living very well together, really. Personally I am not for the separation of Quebec from the rest of Canada, I just think that some things should be made fairer for the french natives (like for the proportion of money given and the bilingual stuff) and that we should call these rivalry a day... except when the Montreal Canadians are playing the Leafs, of course If you cut the bunch of nutters on both side and do not mix politics when it's election time or national holidays, it's not that bad at all really, everywhere I went and met some Canadians on vacations it has always been a good time, just don't mix the nutters who think that french Canadians are extreme potential terrorists and the others that see english speakers as potential enemies and it's all ok.

p.s: Sometihng interesting: Quebec provincial rules are far different from the rest of those in the Country as they are a mix of the Napoleon Code and the English Common law, which is unique to the Province.

I am very grateful for this post. Most informative!!

I definitely find it remarkable that the French & English have managed to form any kind of co-existence given our history.

[antimoron]

are those kids wearing the OLD NAVY shirts? just asking..

[CFH]

I'd love to research Canadian History because I know nothing about this country except it has some breathtaking scenery and that it's a bit like the USA only less violent and possibly a bit more articulated

I know it wasn't your intention to be funny, but that made me grin a bit. Canada is just another country, no better or worse than any other (including the United States), we're just less significant.

Canada has some terrible things in it's history, the worst probably being the Residential School system.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I'd love to research Canadian History because I know nothing about this country except it has some breathtaking scenery and that it's a bit like the USA only less violent and possibly a bit more articulated

I know it wasn't your intention to be funny, but that made me grin a bit. Canada is just another country, no better or worse than any other (including the United States), we're just less significant.

Canada has some terrible things in it's history, the worst probably being the Residential School system.

fair enough.

Terrible things like what? Im keen to learn.

[CFH]

I'd love to research Canadian History because I know nothing about this country except it has some breathtaking scenery and that it's a bit like the USA only less violent and possibly a bit more articulated

I know it wasn't your intention to be funny, but that made me grin a bit. Canada is just another country, no better or worse than any other (including the United States), we're just less significant.

Canada has some terrible things in it's history, the worst probably being the Residential School system.

fair enough.

Terrible things like what? Im keen to learn.

This is actually a relatively tame discussion of the Residential Schools:

Canadian Indian residential school system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Wow.

Actually, no. Not wow... I'm only mildly surprised.... Just another country.... Still beautiful though.
Plus I still have faith that Canadians are nicer than Americans

[Kev]

Actually, I disagree with the kids being kicked out from school. Sure maybe it was provocation, which is not correct, however, it wasn't like if they did burn a Mexican flag or something, they were wearing the flag of their country in their country! In Canada for those who might not know it, we have 2 national holiday, June 24 and July 1st. July 24 is the national day for French part of Canada, la "St-Jean Baptiste", VERY popular here and I would even say by far far more than July first, you can't even compare it. How often do you think we've seen peoples in Montreal walking with Canadian flags when the whole rest of the province is walking with our blue and white on it only to provoke and ruin things? How many English native are doing so in the countryside where 95% of the kids speak french only to provoke things? It happens often. IT is not especially nice but it is the flag of our country as much as some might dislike it and till the opposite is proven, Quebec isn't independent yet from Canada. It is perhaps unnecessary provocation but you cannot throw a kid from school for that and I think that the same example is also valid for the Cinco de Mayo thing.

The principle's role isn't to stand up for freedom of speech or do what is politically correct. His job is simply to preserve order and good feeling amongst students at school.

A school is no test bed for legal matters. He just wanted to make sure some idiots didn't ruin the day for the rest of the students.

Why are people getting so worked up about this? Nobody was suspended, nobody had their liberties taken away.

When you consider how so many thousands of people have lain down their lives to provide basic human freedoms for others, and the struggles that some have endured, it's so pathetically trivial that people would moan about this.

'Oh no I'm having MY RIGHTS to adorn myself in my national flag apparel taken away from me for the hours whilst I'm at school on one day of the year!'

It's really not a big deal, and to protest it so strongly (I'm not saying you here Nameless) can't really be seen as anything other than an underlying hostility or racist sentiment.

There is a time and a place to express your freedom of speech and this wasn't it.

It's no different to someone cursing and using foul language on live tv before the watershed because it's their 'right' to use adult language.

Unless you're Chris Arreola you just don't do it because it's considered disrespectful to those watching, many of whom are young, and many of whom are whiny old pedants who might be offended.

Everyone has the right to curse, but most are happy to waive that right when it might be seen as appropriate to refrain from cursing.

If people want to say their reasons for objecting to the afternoon exclusion of these students are nothing to do with racism, then at least be honest enough to say it's also nothing to do with freedom of speech and human rights either.

I don't think Miles for example is a racist. But he is trying to argue a very petty point imo, arguing for the rights and freedoms to do something which is utterly meaningless in the big scheme of things. The right to drape the American flag around your body on Cinci de Mayo day is not really a fundamental human right imo. And clearly the reason he feels this way is becuase of some antagonism towards the way he believes ethnic minorites should behave in somebody else's country.

So there IS clearly a feeling of some hostility present towards minorites in general and that they should in his own words ' consider deportation' if they don't like being made to feel unwelcome.

And in the case of the school celebrations, the principle obviously felt that this was a day for the school to come together and celebrate unity and that such hostile, negative attitudes were not welcome so he gave them the choice of either changing into some other clothing or else taking the afternoon off.

It's really not a big deal, just like telling someone that if they don't stop swearing at the Town Hall meeting that they will be removed.

[amat]

You people kill me. Nameless you admit that these people wearing the Canadian flags on the St. Jean Baptiste day are doing it just to start trouble, yet you still believe this has a place in a classroom?

People are losing sight of this being at a school.

[CFH]

Actually, I disagree with the kids being kicked out from school. Sure maybe it was provocation, which is not correct, however, it wasn't like if they did burn a Mexican flag or something, they were wearing the flag of their country in their country! In Canada for those who might not know it, we have 2 national holiday, June 24 and July 1st. July 24 is the national day for French part of Canada, la "St-Jean Baptiste", VERY popular here and I would even say by far far more than July first, you can't even compare it. How often do you think we've seen peoples in Montreal walking with Canadian flags when the whole rest of the province is walking with our blue and white on it only to provoke and ruin things? How many English native are doing so in the countryside where 95% of the kids speak french only to provoke things? It happens often. IT is not especially nice but it is the flag of our country as much as some might dislike it and till the opposite is proven, Quebec isn't independent yet from Canada. It is perhaps unnecessary provocation but you cannot throw a kid from school for that and I think that the same example is also valid for the Cinco de Mayo thing.

I would assume that "by here" you mean in Quebec, because people don't celebrate it at all here. I couldn't have told you what date it was on or even the name of the holiday.

[Nameless]

Actually, I disagree with the kids being kicked out from school. Sure maybe it was provocation, which is not correct, however, it wasn't like if they did burn a Mexican flag or something, they were wearing the flag of their country in their country! In Canada for those who might not know it, we have 2 national holiday, June 24 and July 1st. July 24 is the national day for French part of Canada, la "St-Jean Baptiste", VERY popular here and I would even say by far far more than July first, you can't even compare it. How often do you think we've seen peoples in Montreal walking with Canadian flags when the whole rest of the province is walking with our blue and white on it only to provoke and ruin things? How many English native are doing so in the countryside where 95% of the kids speak french only to provoke things? It happens often. IT is not especially nice but it is the flag of our country as much as some might dislike it and till the opposite is proven, Quebec isn't independent yet from Canada. It is perhaps unnecessary provocation but you cannot throw a kid from school for that and I think that the same example is also valid for the Cinco de Mayo thing.

I would assume that "by here" you mean in Quebec, because people don't celebrate it at all here. I couldn't have told you what date it was on or even the name of the holiday.

It is unique to Quebec but is widely more popular and important than the July first here, it's not even comparable and yep, I effectively meant in Quebec and as far as I know, it's not celebrated anywhere else in the english part. Doesn't change the core of my arguments though.