US students kicked of school campus for wearing US flag t-shirts

[El Kabong]

You have to question the mindset of the kids wanting to wear the flag on THIS day of all days.

I hate political correctness but I actually agree with it here. Those kids were up to no good.

....have you lost your fucking mind?

Since when is it punishable to rock the stars and stripes (and in AMERICA too)? It's not like they said anything bad or acted poorly (that I know of).

If this happened to me I'd raise holy hell...I have more reason to hate on Stinko de Mayo too....the French losing that battle to the Mexicans kept the Confederates from getting war supplies to fight off the Yankees in the War of Northern Aggression

[ono]

....have you lost your fucking mind?

Since when is it punishable to rock the stars and stripes (and in AMERICA too)? It's not like they said anything bad or acted poorly (that I know of).

If this happened to me I'd raise holy hell...I have more reason to hate on Stinko de Mayo too....the French losing that battle to the Mexicans kept the Confederates from getting war supplies to fight off the Yankees in the War of Northern Aggression

Well that was predictable.

[Fenster]

Well that was predictable.

And hilarious.

Because we all know it has seriously drove him berserk.

[JazMerkin]

I'm pretty much in agreement with Jim, Bilbo, Ono & Amat. It's obvious why they were doing it. Not to mention wearing a t-shirt with a flag on it is lame unless it's affiliated with sports. But really come on. If I turned up to the US on Independence Day with a t-shirt with Osama's face on it* (and only wore it on that day), what would you think my intentions were?

* For all the thickos whose reading comprehension is terrible, I am NOT saying I'd ever wear an Osama t-shirt, it's an analogy.

[Nameless]

To answer Amat and Bilbo and Jaz's last argument:

1) Some peoples are coming to the st-Jean Baptiste parade with Canadian flags for various reasons, one being sometimes to show that historically, the french got their rear end kicked by the english an some do it as a gesture of protest against the idea that Quebec might split from Canada someday (which is what many french Canadian wants). Peoples have deeply the right to express their feelings and opinions, if they wage a flag they do not hurt me, if they say an insult they are idiot but I am even dumber if I fire back with violence, period.

2) These kids, if they did just wear american stuff didn't do nothing wrong if expressing that they are in the U.S and to remind the others celebrating their national holiday that they were still living in the US, to me, there is nothing deeply wrong with it, could a bit provocative but as long as they didn't act aggressively or did something hurtful to the mexican culture (burning a flag, stomping a Mexican icon etc), is walks the thin line.

3) article 19 of the human right chart stipulates about the freedom of speech (which is good everywhere normally) and they didn't trespassed any borders if they just showed pacifically their beliefs. It is also in line with every rules of the first amendment guaranteed by the US chart. These rights apply as well in a school, by the way. If they did their stuff pacifically and haven't been aggressive, even if it is not entirely ethically correct perhaps to do so it was still within the limits of decency. Their demonstration wasn't racist, it wasn't violent, it didn't stop peoples from celebrating, In these circumstances, I really do not see the problem. Wearing flags for no reason is lame, sure, but shouldn't be forbidden for such kind of events.

4) to Jaz, the Ben Laden argument is not very good in my opinion because there is a difference between wearing the flag from the country you're in and displaying a mass murderer who threats to annihilate every american citizens using any means available. This is just not the same kind of symbol neither provocation at all.

5) If the kids would have been aggressive, violent or destroying any kind of mexican icons, that would be all another kind of story.

[Gandalf]

I've no idea if this is going to quote things correctly as it's my first time trying it properly, but well said Nameless. This is pretty much the way I am seeing the story too.

To answer Amat and Bilbo and Jaz's last argument:

1) Some peoples are coming to the st-Jean Baptiste parade with Canadian flags for various reasons, one being sometimes to show that historically, the french got their rear end kicked by the english an some do it as a gesture of protest against the idea that Quebec might split from Canada someday (which is what many french Canadian wants). Peoples have deeply the right to express their feelings and opinions, if they wage a flag they do not hurt me, if they say an insult they are idiot but I am even dumber if I fire back with violence, period.

2) These kids, if they did just wear american stuff didn't do nothing wrong if expressing that they are in the U.S and to remind the others celebrating their national holiday that they were still living in the US, to me, there is nothing deeply wrong with it, could a bit provocative but as long as they didn't act aggressively or did something hurtful to the mexican culture (burning a flag, stomping a Mexican icon etc), is walks the thin line.

3) article 19 of the human right chart stipulates about the freedom of speech (which is good everywhere normally) and they didn't trespassed any borders if they just showed pacifically their beliefs. It is also in line with every rules of the first amendment guaranteed by the US chart. These rights apply as well in a school, by the way. If they did their stuff pacifically and haven't been aggressive, even if it is not entirely ethically correct perhaps to do so it was still within the limits of decency. Their demonstration wasn't racist, it wasn't violent, it didn't stop peoples from celebrating, In these circumstances, I really do not see the problem. Wearing flags for no reason is lame, sure, but shouldn't be forbidden for such kind of events.

4) to Jaz, the Ben Laden argument is not very good in my opinion because there is a difference between wearing the flag from the country you're in and displaying a mass murderer who threats to annihilate every american citizens using any means available. This is just not the same kind of symbol neither provocation at all.

5) If the kids would have been aggressive, violent or destroying any kind of mexican icons, that would be all another kind of story.

[HattonTheHammer]

we still talking about this?

Not even the kid that got sent home for wearing the shirt will remember it by now!!

[ono]

I'm pretty much in agreement with Jim, Bilbo, Ono & Amat. It's obvious why they were doing it. Not to mention wearing a t-shirt with a flag on it is lame unless it's affiliated with sports. But really come on. If I turned up to the US on Independence Day with a t-shirt with Osama's face on it* (and only wore it on that day), what would you think my intentions were?

* For all the thickos whose reading comprehension is terrible, I am NOT saying I'd ever wear an Osama t-shirt, it's an analogy.

It's getting to the point where it's best to put a disclaimer at the bottom of posts. Some people have the most excellent ability to completely misread the post and jump to stupid conclusions.

[ono]

And hilarious.

Because we all know it has seriously drove him berserk.

And us laughing will make him even angrier.


LOL

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

....have you lost your fucking mind?

Since when is it punishable to rock the stars and stripes (and in AMERICA too)? It's not like they said anything bad or acted poorly (that I know of).

If this happened to me I'd raise holy hell...I have more reason to hate on Stinko de Mayo too....the French losing that battle to the Mexicans kept the Confederates from getting war supplies to fight off the Yankees in the War of Northern Aggression

Nothing you have said here is of direct relevance to the debate. Like I said, you HAVE to question the mindset of these boys. Without going on a rant about how much you hate the Mexicans for the way they shaped your history, tell me.... Question why do it? On this day?

[El Kabong]

Nothing you have said here is of direct relevance to the debate. Like I said, you HAVE to question the mindset of these boys. Without going on a rant about how much you hate the Mexicans for the way they shaped your history, tell me.... Question why do it? On this day?

They were in The United States of America .....is that not a good enough reason?


The idea of kicking these students out of school for wearing American flag t-shirts is 100% against everything The United States is about because the boys wearing the t-shirts did not prevent the people from celebrating Cinco de Mayo and THAT my friend is the bottom line....free speech isn't always nice and pleasant and fun, but sometimes a t-shirt is just a t-shirt and in this case an American from ANY ethnic group should be outraged that this happened.

I also find it highly offensive that the illegal immigrants wave Mexican flags when they protest immigration policy....that's just fucking idiotic, but I don't think just because they wave the Mexican flag that they should be thrown out of the country just on account of the flag thing.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

They were in The United States of America .....is that not a good enough reason?


The idea of kicking these students out of school for wearing American flag t-shirts is 100% against everything The United States is about because the boys wearing the t-shirts did not prevent the people from celebrating Cinco de Mayo and THAT my friend is the bottom line....free speech isn't always nice and pleasant and fun, but sometimes a t-shirt is just a t-shirt and in this case an American from ANY ethnic group should be outraged that this happened.

I also find it highly offensive that the illegal immigrants wave Mexican flags when they protest immigration policy....that's just fucking idiotic, but I don't think just because they wave the Mexican flag that they should be thrown out of the country just on account of the flag thing.

To be fair, I see your point.

But it's still a difficult situation to handle when its pretty clear that these boys knew they were going to cause trouble before they went into school with their own definition of 'uniform'.

But then I accept, of course, the fact that this raises the question of whether or not this was an act of co-patriotism or indeed counter-patriotism.

Obviously teachers in this day and age are far too consumed with national curriculum & political correctness to really delve into correcting or aligning social issues as complex as this and therefore yes maybe they are guilty of simply copping out for an easy solution.

But can you not accept that there is usually a pattern to these proceedings? I mean, you must see that it is HIGHLY unlikely (as even you have proven yourself) that these kids are able to fully comprehend total passive patriotism. Its always ''get one up, get one back, we'll show em, fuck em, bomb em''.... Like I say, there is usually a pattern to these proceedings. But i'll accept that the teaches took the easy option.

[ono]

They were in The United States of America .....is that not a good enough reason?


The idea of kicking these students out of school for wearing American flag t-shirts is 100% against everything The United States is about because the boys wearing the t-shirts did not prevent the people from celebrating Cinco de Mayo and THAT my friend is the bottom line....free speech isn't always nice and pleasant and fun, but sometimes a t-shirt is just a t-shirt and in this case an American from ANY ethnic group should be outraged that this happened.

I also find it highly offensive that the illegal immigrants wave Mexican flags when they protest immigration policy....that's just fucking idiotic, but I don't think just because they wave the Mexican flag that they should be thrown out of the country just on account of the flag thing.

Illegal immigrants protest the immigration policy? In what way? How you do know they're illegal? Why would an illegal immigrant bring attention to himself in this sort of way? Correct me if i'm wrong, but that doesn't sound right.

The reason the kids were sent home (not thrown out of school) for the day was because the t-shirts were seen as provocative because they didn't wear them on any other day. I know it's their right to wear whatever they like, but at the same time, choosing to wear a certain garment purely to provoke a reaction is wrong, and it could have caused problems. It's an incredibly twatish thing to do.

[killersheep]

Nothing you have said here is of direct relevance to the debate. Like I said, you HAVE to question the mindset of these boys. Without going on a rant about how much you hate the Mexicans for the way they shaped your history, tell me.... Question why do it? On this day?

They were in The United States of America .....is that not a good enough reason?


The idea of kicking these students out of school for wearing American flag t-shirts is 100% against everything The United States is about because the boys wearing the t-shirts did not prevent the people from celebrating Cinco de Mayo and THAT my friend is the bottom line....free speech isn't always nice and pleasant and fun, but sometimes a t-shirt is just a t-shirt and in this case an American from ANY ethnic group should be outraged that this happened.

I also find it highly offensive that the illegal immigrants wave Mexican flags when they protest immigration policy....that's just fucking idiotic, but I don't think just because they wave the Mexican flag that they should be thrown out of the country just on account of the flag thing.

I agree with most of what you wrote. Except for being offended by immigration protest thing which really doesn't bother me. Even though I am against them, there is some benefit to school uniforms.

[Gandalf]

Yes, in conclusion I will argue that schools are no place to celebrate foreign holidays and that uniforms are a pretty good idea. No Mexican shirts and therefore no American shirts either. It can work both ways and and at all times. That's how a school can avoid these issues.