US students kicked of school campus for wearing US flag t-shirts

[Nameless]

I'd love to research Canadian History because I know nothing about this country except it has some breathtaking scenery and that it's a bit like the USA only less violent and possibly a bit more articulated

I don't know about articulation but it is definitely less violent, we have nothing that comes close to the Bronx, the hot spots of L.A or Detroit. We have our load of things not to be proud of though, starting by how the natives file has been dealt with how we're dealing our drinkable water sources but there is definitely a lot of places that are worth to be seen, especially for the nature lovers.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I don't know about articulation but it is definitely less violent, we have nothing that comes close to the Bronx, the hot spots of L.A or Detroit. We have our load of things not to be proud of though, starting by how the natives file has been dealt with how we're dealing our drinkable water sources but there is definitely a lot of places that are worth to be seen, especially for the nature lovers.

Oh okay. I mean I'm just interested in the whole English/ French co-existence... I want to find it remarkable but I wasn't aware that there was any tension there (like i say, i know nothing abut Canada!)

Yeah i'm just keen to look into the history of your country. How it all came to be etc...

[Nameless]

Oh okay. I mean I'm just interested in the whole English/ French co-existence... I want to find it remarkable but I wasn't aware that there was any tension there (like i say, i know nothing abut Canada!)

Yeah i'm just keen to look into the history of your country. How it all came to be etc...

There is some tensions, sometimes when drunktards from both "clan" meet there are fighting but really, it is more of a big rivalry and because some laws are unfair for the French natives, it is far from being close to the unthinkable like the ethnic war going on in Iraq or the Kurdish case in Turkey. In a nutshell: French discovered Canada first, English came then, both used some native tribes to help their side, they slammed each others on the head, France did stop to help its colonies, not England, French lost and at the time, English quite tried to assimilate them by force.
The biggest modern problem is that Quebec gives more to the Country proportionally than any other provinces, which angers French Canadians, our current Nuts Prime Minister corrected partly the problem by re-giving a part of it (which the other Federal Gov always denied us) and some things are just weighted with 2 measures: For example, legally speaking, the Country has officially recognized both languages, French and English as our official ones. Normally, we are supposed to be able to receive health cares and any primal services in both languages. This is only true in Quebec and in a very few town in the North of Ontario. Institutions in Quebec receive the stick every time somebody is not answered in a clean cut English if they make a complaint but in the rest of Canada, it is almost impossible to have essential services in French, even in Toronto you can absolutely forget it but the gov doesn't do nothing about it. Same for the Army, before the official army manual was in both languages, now they did cut the french version to save money and it's only in English. When every official stuff are supposed to be both released in french and English, it's quite a slap. Air Carrier Air Canada has been found guilty many times of not having at least one member of the crew speaking french on board, every time they babble about giving formations to their employees so it would not happen again but the problem doesn't change, really.

There is a couple of other situations like that and that's mostly where the modern conflicts and tension emerges, that coupled with the fact that in Montreal, there is a very wealthy English community living on West Island and some of them never learned french and said they didn't have to because the country was foremost English and that French wasn't important and that there is no reasons why they should speak it. One of them Galganov even wrote a book called "Bastards" where basically, he's spitting hatred against French Canadians... Mix it all together and you have a bit of electricity when it comes to politics discussions. However, I would say that for the huge majority on both side, we're living very well together, really. Personally I am not for the separation of Quebec from the rest of Canada, I just think that some things should be made fairer for the french natives (like for the proportion of money given and the bilingual stuff) and that we should call these rivalry a day... except when the Montreal Canadians are playing the Leafs, of course If you cut the bunch of nutters on both side and do not mix politics when it's election time or national holidays, it's not that bad at all really, everywhere I went and met some Canadians on vacations it has always been a good time, just don't mix the nutters who think that french Canadians are extreme potential terrorists and the others that see english speakers as potential enemies and it's all ok.

p.s: Sometihng interesting: Quebec provincial rules are far different from the rest of those in the Country as they are a mix of the Napoleon Code and the English Common law, which is unique to the Province.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

There is some tensions, sometimes when drunktards from both "clan" meet there are fighting but really, it is more of a big rivalry and because some laws are unfair for the French natives, it is far from being close to the unthinkable like the ethnic war going on in Iraq or the Kurdish case in Turkey. In a nutshell: French discovered Canada first, English came then, both used some native tribes to help their side, they slammed each others on the head, France did stop to help its colonies, not England, French lost and at the time, English quite tried to assimilate them by force.
The biggest modern problem is that Quebec gives more to the Country proportionally than any other provinces, which angers French Canadians, our current Nuts Prime Minister corrected partly the problem by re-giving a part of it (which the other Federal Gov always denied us) and some things are just weighted with 2 measures: For example, legally speaking, the Country has officially recognized both languages, French and English as our official ones. Normally, we are supposed to be able to receive health cares and any primal services in both languages. This is only true in Quebec and in a very few town in the North of Ontario. Institutions in Quebec receive the stick every time somebody is not answered in a clean cut English if they make a complaint but in the rest of Canada, it is almost impossible to have essential services in French, even in Toronto you can absolutely forget it but the gov doesn't do nothing about it. Same for the Army, before the official army manual was in both languages, now they did cut the french version to save money and it's only in English. When every official stuff are supposed to be both released in french and English, it's quite a slap. Air Carrier Air Canada has been found guilty many times of not having at least one member of the crew speaking french on board, every time they babble about giving formations to their employees so it would not happen again but the problem doesn't change, really.

There is a couple of other situations like that and that's mostly where the modern conflicts and tension emerges, that coupled with the fact that in Montreal, there is a very wealthy English community living on West Island and some of them never learned french and said they didn't have to because the country was foremost English and that French wasn't important and that there is no reasons why they should speak it. One of them Galganov even wrote a book called "Bastards" where basically, he's spitting hatred against French Canadians... Mix it all together and you have a bit of electricity when it comes to politics discussions. However, I would say that for the huge majority on both side, we're living very well together, really. Personally I am not for the separation of Quebec from the rest of Canada, I just think that some things should be made fairer for the french natives (like for the proportion of money given and the bilingual stuff) and that we should call these rivalry a day... except when the Montreal Canadians are playing the Leafs, of course If you cut the bunch of nutters on both side and do not mix politics when it's election time or national holidays, it's not that bad at all really, everywhere I went and met some Canadians on vacations it has always been a good time, just don't mix the nutters who think that french Canadians are extreme potential terrorists and the others that see english speakers as potential enemies and it's all ok.

p.s: Sometihng interesting: Quebec provincial rules are far different from the rest of those in the Country as they are a mix of the Napoleon Code and the English Common law, which is unique to the Province.

I am very grateful for this post. Most informative!!

I definitely find it remarkable that the French & English have managed to form any kind of co-existence given our history.

[antimoron]

are those kids wearing the OLD NAVY shirts? just asking..

[Gandalf]

Jesus, what happened to the site? I stayed away for a few days because this thread made me a little bit mad and I didn't understand why I was being labelled a racist. I tried quoting Bilbo's post but this new system is weird and I wasn't sure it would reply properly so I will just do it like this instead. I'm glad to see that he doesn't think I am a racist because I am not and never have been. It's not in my mindset to hate on people because of a skin tone. He says that my argument is petty and he is entitled to that view and I'm not so upset by that. I still don't think it should be a problem that the kids wore the shirts though, certainly not on on the theoretical level, after all a shirt is just a shirt and what is so offensive about the American flag on this particular day? I just don't see the offense in that.

I'm not a nationalist, but I do believe in the freedom to wear what you like. It's a simple argument and I am sticking with it. I just cannot get upset by someone else wearing their own flag colours. It's not something I would do myself, but I could never get upset by others doing it.

My deportation comment was perhaps a bit harsh in retrospect and rash too, but my point was that if you are going to live in another culture you need to try and respect that culture too. You can't be getting too upset by native kids wearing their own colours. If it is an act of provocation then you need to rise above it, it's only a flag.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

it's a bit of cloth. get over it

[Kev]

Jesus, what happened to the site? I stayed away for a few days because this thread made me a little bit mad and I didn't understand why I was being labelled a racist. I tried quoting Bilbo's post but this new system is weird and I wasn't sure it would reply properly so I will just do it like this instead. I'm glad to see that he doesn't think I am a racist because I am not and never have been. It's not in my mindset to hate on people because of a skin tone. He says that my argument is petty and he is entitled to that view and I'm not so upset by that. I still don't think it should be a problem that the kids wore the shirts though, certainly not on on the theoretical level, after all a shirt is just a shirt and what is so offensive about the American flag on this particular day? I just don't see the offense in that.

I'm not a nationalist, but I do believe in the freedom to wear what you like. It's a simple argument and I am sticking with it. I just cannot get upset by someone else wearing their own flag colours. It's not something I would do myself, but I could never get upset by others doing it.

My deportation comment was perhaps a bit harsh in retrospect and rash too, but my point was that if you are going to live in another culture you need to try and respect that culture too. You can't be getting too upset by native kids wearing their own colours. If it is an act of provocation then you need to rise above it, it's only a flag.

I don't think you're a racist at all Miles I was just making a point of excercising my freedom of speech to call you names!

For me the issue is nothing to do with nationalism, patriotism, freedom of speech, liberties or anything else. It's simply a case of a school day being organised to celebrate something important to many people at the school and a small group of twats trying to be antagonistic about it. It's just like bullying really.

Forget about race and look at other similar scenarios and it makes more sense. Imagine the school had a lot of special needs students and they put on a sports day for them or something and a group of kids turned up with tshirts with pictures of mongs on the front, they would be told to remove them and stop being so mean.

Or if there was a 'Bring a parent to school day' where they come in and talk about their jobs and some kids put some t-shirts with slogans making jokes about certain jobs that many dads in the school do, or comments about those whose parent's left them or something, again it would just be a disruptive, mean, nasty thing to do.

Dizaster's own exmple was great, wearing a tshirt with a Vietnames woman with a machine gun to her head when the Japanese exchange students came to his school. Again just a cuntish thing to do.

I don't see why people are making this a patriotic or nationalistic issue when it's nothing to do with that. It was just a group of kids being twats and wanting to show another group of kids they weren't accepted.

Schools HAVE to outlaw bullying, and if the principle thought this could be construed as such (and it's not hard to see why) then he took the appropriate steps to stamp it out.

All he did was tell them if they didn't take them off they would be sent home for the afternoon. And these dickish kids were clearly just looking for trouble as they chose to go home.

Now their parents are planning to sue the school? For what?

It's fucking ridiculous and and it just makes me angry that these kinds of asshole people are out there, just trying to make a petty point and arguing for the sake of arguing, and of course clearly hoping to make a nice tidy sum of money in damages from it.

If they do sue I hope it gets rejected and they have to pay costs.