Quite drunk so came home and decided to watch Manny vs Hatton again

[Gandalf]

It's easy enough to argue in hindsight that a certain bout was a mismatch. I'm not so sure, Hatton performed poorly to say the least, but nobody was really expecting Hatton to get blown away quite so easily. It's a fight that I struggle to watch. It was like Hatton had a death wish and went out there and did everything he should not have done. His punch resistance was obselete. You could tickle him and he would be wobbling, quite strange.

[zhubin]

It's easy enough to argue in hindsight that a certain bout was a mismatch. I'm not so sure, Hatton performed poorly to say the least, but nobody was really expecting Hatton to get blown away quite so easily. It's a fight that I struggle to watch. It was like Hatton had a death wish and went out there and did everything he should not have done. His punch resistance was obselete. You could tickle him and he would be wobbling, quite strange.

There where some people on this board, including myself, who felt Hatton had no chance. He was already damaged goods at that point anyways...add to that the constant ballooning of weight in between fights (you could tell he tried to kill himself to make weight for that fight) and his come forward style...and the outcome was not shocking at all IMO.

[Gandalf]

It's easy enough to argue in hindsight that a certain bout was a mismatch. I'm not so sure, Hatton performed poorly to say the least, but nobody was really expecting Hatton to get blown away quite so easily. It's a fight that I struggle to watch. It was like Hatton had a death wish and went out there and did everything he should not have done. His punch resistance was obselete. You could tickle him and he would be wobbling, quite strange.

There where some people on this board, including myself, who felt Hatton had no chance. He was already damaged goods at that point anyways...add to that the constant ballooning of weight in between fights (you could tell he tried to kill himself to make weight for that fight) and his come forward style...and the outcome was not shocking at all IMO.

But to do it in 2 rounds and with Hatton landing only one effective punch was quite something. I certainly never envisaged that it would be quite that one sided. The warning signs were there with Hatton, but being a fan I chose to discard them in the hope that he could do something special.

[Hornfinger]

You see i disagree with this thread. Just like i disagree with alot of people who talk about hatton vs floyd.

Hatton wasn't right for the pac fight. That's obvious to anyone. On paper IMO this wasn't a mismatch. In fact I thought it was a mismatch in the opposite direction. I expected hatton to walk over pac. I was a bit blind to how much the ko loss to floyd had damaged him.

The first round was one sided. The second though up until the KO I would have given to hatton.

Hagler vs Hearns was 3 rounds yet I've never heard someone say that Hagler destroyed Hearns easily.

Bottom line though for me is if cotto fans can discard his loss to margarito citing margarito's cheating with hand wraps....

Do we really know what was in pac's system that night? No we don't at all.

Pac won the fight. I think Ricky should stay retired. TBH he probably should have retired after paulie and gone out on a win. His fighting style changed after the tszyu fight. And the mayweather KO took alot out of him. Then you've got the pac training camp that by all reports was a nightmere.

Manny, yet again, like with cotto and DLH, got the fight at the right time, and it flattered him.

[skel1983]

You see i disagree with this thread. Just like i disagree with alot of people who talk about hatton vs floyd.

Hatton wasn't right for the pac fight. That's obvious to anyone. On paper IMO this wasn't a mismatch. In fact I thought it was a mismatch in the opposite direction. I expected hatton to walk over pac. I was a bit blind to how much the ko loss to floyd had damaged him.

The first round was one sided. The second though up until the KO I would have given to hatton.

Hagler vs Hearns was 3 rounds yet I've never heard someone say that Hagler destroyed Hearns easily.

Bottom line though for me is if cotto fans can discard his loss to margarito citing margarito's cheating with hand wraps....

Do we really know what was in pac's system that night? No we don't at all.

Pac won the fight. I think Ricky should stay retired. TBH he probably should have retired after paulie and gone out on a win. His fighting style changed after the tszyu fight. And the mayweather KO took alot out of him. Then you've got the pac training camp that by all reports was a nightmere.

Manny, yet again, like with cotto and DLH, got the fight at the right time, and it flattered him.

Hahaha you gave Hatton the second round until the knockout? You for fucking real go have another look matey, and I thought HTH was a bit bias! Pac landed at least 15-20 clean shots on Hatton in the 2nd round before he knocled him out. You div.

[Gandalf]

Hatton was doing better in the second, but he wasn't winning it. Not by a long shot.

[Magoo]

It did look like it could have shaped up into a decent fight though. Disappointing it ended so quick.

[Hornfinger]

You see i disagree with this thread. Just like i disagree with alot of people who talk about hatton vs floyd.

Hatton wasn't right for the pac fight. That's obvious to anyone. On paper IMO this wasn't a mismatch. In fact I thought it was a mismatch in the opposite direction. I expected hatton to walk over pac. I was a bit blind to how much the ko loss to floyd had damaged him.

The first round was one sided. The second though up until the KO I would have given to hatton.

Hagler vs Hearns was 3 rounds yet I've never heard someone say that Hagler destroyed Hearns easily.

Bottom line though for me is if cotto fans can discard his loss to margarito citing margarito's cheating with hand wraps....

Do we really know what was in pac's system that night? No we don't at all.

Pac won the fight. I think Ricky should stay retired. TBH he probably should have retired after paulie and gone out on a win. His fighting style changed after the tszyu fight. And the mayweather KO took alot out of him. Then you've got the pac training camp that by all reports was a nightmere.

Manny, yet again, like with cotto and DLH, got the fight at the right time, and it flattered him.

Hahaha you gave Hatton the second round until the knockout? You for fucking real go have another look matey, and I thought HTH was a bit bias! Pac landed at least 15-20 clean shots on Hatton in the 2nd round before he knocled him out. You div.

Go with the flow son. In fact I'm yet to see you give an opinion that is your own on anything.

[skel1983]

You see i disagree with this thread. Just like i disagree with alot of people who talk about hatton vs floyd.

Hatton wasn't right for the pac fight. That's obvious to anyone. On paper IMO this wasn't a mismatch. In fact I thought it was a mismatch in the opposite direction. I expected hatton to walk over pac. I was a bit blind to how much the ko loss to floyd had damaged him.

The first round was one sided. The second though up until the KO I would have given to hatton.

Hagler vs Hearns was 3 rounds yet I've never heard someone say that Hagler destroyed Hearns easily.

Bottom line though for me is if cotto fans can discard his loss to margarito citing margarito's cheating with hand wraps....

Do we really know what was in pac's system that night? No we don't at all.

Pac won the fight. I think Ricky should stay retired. TBH he probably should have retired after paulie and gone out on a win. His fighting style changed after the tszyu fight. And the mayweather KO took alot out of him. Then you've got the pac training camp that by all reports was a nightmere.

Manny, yet again, like with cotto and DLH, got the fight at the right time, and it flattered him.

Hahaha you gave Hatton the second round until the knockout? You for fucking real go have another look matey, and I thought HTH was a bit bias! Pac landed at least 15-20 clean shots on Hatton in the 2nd round before he knocled him out. You div.

Go with the flow son. In fact I'm yet to see you give an opinion that is your own on anything.

I am still to work out what a clueless turd like you is doing on a boxing forum? Did you take a wrong turning?

[Hunter]

You see i disagree with this thread. Just like i disagree with alot of people who talk about hatton vs floyd.

Hatton wasn't right for the pac fight. That's obvious to anyone. On paper IMO this wasn't a mismatch. In fact I thought it was a mismatch in the opposite direction. I expected hatton to walk over pac. I was a bit blind to how much the ko loss to floyd had damaged him.

The first round was one sided. The second though up until the KO I would have given to hatton.

Hagler vs Hearns was 3 rounds yet I've never heard someone say that Hagler destroyed Hearns easily.

Bottom line though for me is if cotto fans can discard his loss to margarito citing margarito's cheating with hand wraps....

Do we really know what was in pac's system that night? No we don't at all.

Pac won the fight. I think Ricky should stay retired. TBH he probably should have retired after paulie and gone out on a win. His fighting style changed after the tszyu fight. And the mayweather KO took alot out of him. Then you've got the pac training camp that by all reports was a nightmere.

Manny, yet again, like with cotto and DLH, got the fight at the right time, and it flattered him.

You are comparing Margarito to Pacman? Come on, that is rediculous. Just accept the fact hatton lost.

[ono]

You see i disagree with this thread. Just like i disagree with alot of people who talk about hatton vs floyd.

Hatton wasn't right for the pac fight. That's obvious to anyone. On paper IMO this wasn't a mismatch. In fact I thought it was a mismatch in the opposite direction. I expected hatton to walk over pac. I was a bit blind to how much the ko loss to floyd had damaged him.

The first round was one sided. The second though up until the KO I would have given to hatton.

Hagler vs Hearns was 3 rounds yet I've never heard someone say that Hagler destroyed Hearns easily.

Bottom line though for me is if cotto fans can discard his loss to margarito citing margarito's cheating with hand wraps....

Do we really know what was in pac's system that night? No we don't at all.

Pac won the fight. I think Ricky should stay retired. TBH he probably should have retired after paulie and gone out on a win. His fighting style changed after the tszyu fight. And the mayweather KO took alot out of him. Then you've got the pac training camp that by all reports was a nightmere.

Manny, yet again, like with cotto and DLH, got the fight at the right time, and it flattered him.

You are comparing Margarito to Pacman? Come on, that is rediculous. Just accept the fact hatton lost.

It is creative. Like Cintron's attempts to not fight anymore.

[Hornfinger]

Prove to me manny pacquiao is clean.


The silence will be deafening.

[miron_lang]

But to do it in 2 rounds and with Hatton landing only one effective punch was quite something. I certainly never envisaged that it would be quite that one sided. The warning signs were there with Hatton, but being a fan I chose to discard them in the hope that he could do something special.

THat was a surprise yes.


But mate please answer me honestly...from the bottom of your heart

1. Did you think that Manny Pacquiao being 3 to 1 underdog would dismantle Barrera the way he did?

2. Did you think that he would Knock out Morales in the 2nd fight?

3. Did you think he would dominate Dela haya en route to a TKO win?

4. Did you think that Cotto would be dominated and be stopped?


I was surprised on all 4 occasions and was not expecting those results. though i believe Manny will win.


now Dont you think the outcome of the Pac-Hatton fight was due to more of the performance of Pacquiao rather than Hatton? Manny Pacquiao is capable of surprising us. i think the Hatton fight was just one of them.

[mellamomarcos]

man did you guys see Hatton at the Mayweather/Mosley weigh in? Jesus, I dont think he will ever be able to fight at welter if he ever decides to come back and compete.

[Gandalf]

But to do it in 2 rounds and with Hatton landing only one effective punch was quite something. I certainly never envisaged that it would be quite that one sided. The warning signs were there with Hatton, but being a fan I chose to discard them in the hope that he could do something special.

THat was a surprise yes.


But mate please answer me honestly...from the bottom of your heart

1. Did you think that Manny Pacquiao being 3 to 1 underdog would dismantle Barrera the way he did?

2. Did you think that he would Knock out Morales in the 2nd fight?

3. Did you think he would dominate Dela haya en route to a TKO win?

4. Did you think that Cotto would be dominated and be stopped?


I was surprised on all 4 occasions and was not expecting those results. though i believe Manny will win.


now Dont you think the outcome of the Pac-Hatton fight was due to more of the performance of Pacquiao rather than Hatton? Manny Pacquiao is capable of surprising us. i think the Hatton fight was just one of them.

1. No, I didn't expect that. TBH I wasn't all that aware of Pac at the time.

2. I think I might have actually predicted that one! Hurray!

3. No, I thought Oscar would have been too big

4. No, I thought Cotto might have got to him too. But I was well aware that Cotto could get busted up and possibly stopped.

I agree with you that Manny is capable of surprising us. Blowing Hatton away in 2 was perhaps the biggest surprise for me, but I do think it was a combination of Manny being quality and also of Hatton slipping somewhat. Once you've been knocked out, you are never going to be the same again. Unlike someone like Barrera who could adapt after a loss, Hatton still tried to defend with his face and with a declining chin (which was never the strongest as Lazcano showed) it was a risk and Manny showed it for what it has become. Hatton talked of doing new things, but it was never apparent. He fought with his hands down and chin up and Manny duly taught him a lesson for the recklessness. It was a poor showing from Hatton and I find no way of getting around that.