How good could Zab have been... if?

[OumaFan]

The Cavs suck, horrible team outside of Lebron. Meanwhile Pau's got a great supporting cast. Take Pau off the Lakers and you could have the Kobe's and the Artest's and the Bynum's of the world step up, but LOL at Cleveland if Lebron gets hurt.

[killersheep]

And the critical point of comparison I make with Zab and LeBron is that.

They were both hyped as the next one.

They both have underachieved so far in their career in terms of the expectations put on them.

They both have had their mentality questioned because ever since their careers started they were put in the same breath as the greats. But have yet to show the mentality of them.

The difference is, LeBron is still in his 20s and could still prove everyone wrong and win some rings and still go out with a great career. He has the talent to do it. But Lebron won't ever live up to the huge expectations put on him(the next MJ the greatest basketball player in the last 10 years in this era etc etc and honetly who could?) but there is still time for LeBron to accomplish great things in the playoffs and the finals.

But to get back on the subject of Zab Judah, since you and I can debate NBA back and forth in PMs. This is what I think about Zab.

Zab Judah is in his 30s and is never gonna live up to what people think he will and the next time he steps up he is gonna get beat again and his career will be over.

Zab Judah has become the standard of talent never making it to the top truly.

LeBron James still has a lot of time, 10 more years maybe even, and I hope for his sake and his fans sake that he doesnt 'Zab Judah' his career.

But Zab's career is done. LeBrons is just beginning so thats the major difference.

Still, my point about Zab stills stands, batman talent, robin mentality.

So he's not like Zab Judah yet?

I really don't get what you are saying, Lebron is a choke artist to level of Judah because of a bad two games, one of which he still got a triple double.

And Robin mentality means Judah is a sidekick? A teen titan? What does that mean?

[Majesty]

And the critical point of comparison I make with Zab and LeBron is that.

They were both hyped as the next one.

They both have underachieved so far in their career in terms of the expectations put on them.

They both have had their mentality questioned because ever since their careers started they were put in the same breath as the greats. But have yet to show the mentality of them.

The difference is, LeBron is still in his 20s and could still prove everyone wrong and win some rings and still go out with a great career. He has the talent to do it. But Lebron won't ever live up to the huge expectations put on him(the next MJ the greatest basketball player in the last 10 years in this era etc etc and honetly who could?) but there is still time for LeBron to accomplish great things in the playoffs and the finals.

But to get back on the subject of Zab Judah, since you and I can debate NBA back and forth in PMs. This is what I think about Zab.

Zab Judah is in his 30s and is never gonna live up to what people think he will and the next time he steps up he is gonna get beat again and his career will be over.

Zab Judah has become the standard of talent never making it to the top truly.

LeBron James still has a lot of time, 10 more years maybe even, and I hope for his sake and his fans sake that he doesnt 'Zab Judah' his career.

But Zab's career is done. LeBrons is just beginning so thats the major difference.

Still, my point about Zab stills stands, batman talent, robin mentality.

So he's not like Zab Judah yet?

I really don't get what you are saying, Lebron is a choke artist to level of Judah because of a bad two games, one of which he still got a triple double.

And Robin mentality means Judah is a sidekick? A teen titan? What does that mean?

Nope LeBron isnt Zab yet because his career isn't done, but so far in his career he has underachieved in the same kind of ways.

The thing is I don't get the pass LeBron gets either. Remember a few years ago when Kobe was averaging 35 points a game and the best player on his team was Smush Parker. When Kobe would have triple doubles or magnificent scoring performances and his team would still lose(like the Cavs did) all that was said was that he was a selfish player and not MVP material etc. He changed all that over the course of a few years. However I watch LeBron who has a better team then Kobe did those years and even his team was the number 1 team record in the NBA for the last two years. The Cavs lose and people say "oh well LeBron still got his triple double." if LeBron hadn't gotten a triple double and his team had won I think he'd deserve more credit then him getting a triple double and his team still losing.

But as far as LeBron being Zab Judah, not yet but he still has yet to show the mentality of a champion or a great which floats him around there. But he still has a chance to change all of that. Zab Judah cannot.

And the statement Batman talent, Robin mentality. It means he has all the talent in the world but has yet to show he is a winner yet.

Maybe this is a better reference. He's more Pippen, then Jordan. Anyway I've sent you a Pm so we can keep debating basketball. However I do think if LeBron plays with Wade next year he has a much better chance at making the finals cause how much better of a team could u give him then he has on the Cavs? He has Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison who else could you get? He could have had Amare Staudimire but they decided to Keep JJ Hickson instead because they felt it was better for them, Farajao was having the best year of his career. Who else could LeBron get to get himself a title aside from someone like Dwayne Wade?

So as far as Judah goes.

the "How good could Zab been if" I don't think anything could have saved his career. He didn't have the mentality of a great. There are people with less talent then him that accomplished more then he did and talent had nothing to do with it. He just mentally isn't a great. That is what is being questioned about LeBron right now, talent is there(stats prove that as is said) but the mentality of a great isn't. But with LeBron you can always put a 'yet' at the end, with Judah, there is no 'yet' because his career is too far to be revived.

[killersheep]

And the critical point of comparison I make with Zab and LeBron is that.

They were both hyped as the next one.

They both have underachieved so far in their career in terms of the expectations put on them.

They both have had their mentality questioned because ever since their careers started they were put in the same breath as the greats. But have yet to show the mentality of them.

The difference is, LeBron is still in his 20s and could still prove everyone wrong and win some rings and still go out with a great career. He has the talent to do it. But Lebron won't ever live up to the huge expectations put on him(the next MJ the greatest basketball player in the last 10 years in this era etc etc and honetly who could?) but there is still time for LeBron to accomplish great things in the playoffs and the finals.

But to get back on the subject of Zab Judah, since you and I can debate NBA back and forth in PMs. This is what I think about Zab.

Zab Judah is in his 30s and is never gonna live up to what people think he will and the next time he steps up he is gonna get beat again and his career will be over.

Zab Judah has become the standard of talent never making it to the top truly.

LeBron James still has a lot of time, 10 more years maybe even, and I hope for his sake and his fans sake that he doesnt 'Zab Judah' his career.

But Zab's career is done. LeBrons is just beginning so thats the major difference.

Still, my point about Zab stills stands, batman talent, robin mentality.

So he's not like Zab Judah yet?

I really don't get what you are saying, Lebron is a choke artist to level of Judah because of a bad two games, one of which he still got a triple double.

And Robin mentality means Judah is a sidekick? A teen titan? What does that mean?

Nope LeBron isnt Zab yet because his career isn't done, but so far in his career he has underachieved in the same kind of ways.

The thing is I don't get the pass LeBron gets either. Remember a few years ago when Kobe was averaging 35 points a game and the best player on his team was Smush Parker. When Kobe would have triple doubles or magnificent scoring performances and his team would still lose(like the Cavs did) all that was said was that he was a selfish player and not MVP material etc. He changed all that over the course of a few years. However I watch LeBron who has a better team then Kobe did those years and even his team was the number 1 team record in the NBA for the last two years. The Cavs lose and people say "oh well LeBron still got his triple double." if LeBron hadn't gotten a triple double and his team had won I think he'd deserve more credit then him getting a triple double and his team still losing.

But as far as LeBron being Zab Judah, not yet but he still has yet to show the mentality of a champion or a great which floats him around there. But he still has a chance to change all of that. Zab Judah cannot.

And the statement Batman talent, Robin mentality. It means he has all the talent in the world but has yet to show he is a winner yet.

Maybe this is a better reference. He's more Pippen, then Jordan. Anyway I've sent you a Pm so we can keep debating basketball.

So as far as Judah goes.

the "How good could Zab been if" I don't think anything could have saved his career. He didn't have the mentality of a great. There are people with less talent then him that accomplished more then he did and talent had nothing to do with it. He just mentally isn't a great. That is what is being questioned about LeBron right now, talent is there(stats prove that as is said) but the mentality of a great isn't. But with LeBron you can always put a 'yet' at the end, with Judah, there is no 'yet' because his career is too far to be revived.

Glad we could agree.

[Majesty]

And the critical point of comparison I make with Zab and LeBron is that.

They were both hyped as the next one.

They both have underachieved so far in their career in terms of the expectations put on them.

They both have had their mentality questioned because ever since their careers started they were put in the same breath as the greats. But have yet to show the mentality of them.

The difference is, LeBron is still in his 20s and could still prove everyone wrong and win some rings and still go out with a great career. He has the talent to do it. But Lebron won't ever live up to the huge expectations put on him(the next MJ the greatest basketball player in the last 10 years in this era etc etc and honetly who could?) but there is still time for LeBron to accomplish great things in the playoffs and the finals.

But to get back on the subject of Zab Judah, since you and I can debate NBA back and forth in PMs. This is what I think about Zab.

Zab Judah is in his 30s and is never gonna live up to what people think he will and the next time he steps up he is gonna get beat again and his career will be over.

Zab Judah has become the standard of talent never making it to the top truly.

LeBron James still has a lot of time, 10 more years maybe even, and I hope for his sake and his fans sake that he doesnt 'Zab Judah' his career.

But Zab's career is done. LeBrons is just beginning so thats the major difference.

Still, my point about Zab stills stands, batman talent, robin mentality.

So he's not like Zab Judah yet?

I really don't get what you are saying, Lebron is a choke artist to level of Judah because of a bad two games, one of which he still got a triple double.

And Robin mentality means Judah is a sidekick? A teen titan? What does that mean?

Nope LeBron isnt Zab yet because his career isn't done, but so far in his career he has underachieved in the same kind of ways.

The thing is I don't get the pass LeBron gets either. Remember a few years ago when Kobe was averaging 35 points a game and the best player on his team was Smush Parker. When Kobe would have triple doubles or magnificent scoring performances and his team would still lose(like the Cavs did) all that was said was that he was a selfish player and not MVP material etc. He changed all that over the course of a few years. However I watch LeBron who has a better team then Kobe did those years and even his team was the number 1 team record in the NBA for the last two years. The Cavs lose and people say "oh well LeBron still got his triple double." if LeBron hadn't gotten a triple double and his team had won I think he'd deserve more credit then him getting a triple double and his team still losing.

But as far as LeBron being Zab Judah, not yet but he still has yet to show the mentality of a champion or a great which floats him around there. But he still has a chance to change all of that. Zab Judah cannot.

And the statement Batman talent, Robin mentality. It means he has all the talent in the world but has yet to show he is a winner yet.

Maybe this is a better reference. He's more Pippen, then Jordan. Anyway I've sent you a Pm so we can keep debating basketball.

So as far as Judah goes.

the "How good could Zab been if" I don't think anything could have saved his career. He didn't have the mentality of a great. There are people with less talent then him that accomplished more then he did and talent had nothing to do with it. He just mentally isn't a great. That is what is being questioned about LeBron right now, talent is there(stats prove that as is said) but the mentality of a great isn't. But with LeBron you can always put a 'yet' at the end, with Judah, there is no 'yet' because his career is too far to be revived.

Glad we could agree.

same, always happy to debate with you

[CutMeMick]

Maaaaaan.
Fuck LeBitch and Fuck Cunt Judah...
Fuck' em bofffff.

[amat]

BTW - Jordan was 27 when he won his firs title, by my calculations that would give Lebron a year to BEAT Jordan to a championship. Did Jordan also have a Robin Mentality for the first 26 years of his life?

[CutMeMick]

Maaaaaan.
Fuck LeBitch and Fuck Cunt Judah...
Fuck' em bofffff.

ad if amat says anything positive about Zab fuck him too.

[amat]

Lebron/Zab 2010!!!!!!!

[CutMeMick]

Majesty maybe you should log in as Purist/Starr and back yourself up in this debate...

[amat]

hahahaha

Cavs about to make a royal fucking mistake signing Izzo. Byron Scott is an asshole who very few players like but he's a great coach when he has a good team, this is foolish.

[angsyga]

JUdah's frame of mine is always whack. His focus is not there. He is what he is, a middle of the pack boxer.

[JonesJrMayweather]

And the critical point of comparison I make with Zab and LeBron is that.

They were both hyped as the next one.

They both have underachieved so far in their career in terms of the expectations put on them.

They both have had their mentality questioned because ever since their careers started they were put in the same breath as the greats. But have yet to show the mentality of them.

The difference is, LeBron is still in his 20s and could still prove everyone wrong and win some rings and still go out with a great career. He has the talent to do it. But Lebron won't ever live up to the huge expectations put on him(the next MJ the greatest basketball player in the last 10 years in this era etc etc and honetly who could?) but there is still time for LeBron to accomplish great things in the playoffs and the finals.

But to get back on the subject of Zab Judah, since you and I can debate NBA back and forth in PMs. This is what I think about Zab.

Zab Judah is in his 30s and is never gonna live up to what people think he will and the next time he steps up he is gonna get beat again and his career will be over.

Zab Judah has become the standard of talent never making it to the top truly.

LeBron James still has a lot of time, 10 more years maybe even, and I hope for his sake and his fans sake that he doesnt 'Zab Judah' his career.

But Zab's career is done. LeBrons is just beginning so thats the major difference.

Still, my point about Zab stills stands, batman talent, robin mentality.

So he's not like Zab Judah yet?

I really don't get what you are saying, Lebron is a choke artist to level of Judah because of a bad two games, one of which he still got a triple double.

And Robin mentality means Judah is a sidekick? A teen titan? What does that mean?

Nope LeBron isnt Zab yet because his career isn't done, but so far in his career he has underachieved in the same kind of ways.

The thing is I don't get the pass LeBron gets either. Remember a few years ago when Kobe was averaging 35 points a game and the best player on his team was Smush Parker. When Kobe would have triple doubles or magnificent scoring performances and his team would still lose(like the Cavs did) all that was said was that he was a selfish player and not MVP material etc. He changed all that over the course of a few years. However I watch LeBron who has a better team then Kobe did those years and even his team was the number 1 team record in the NBA for the last two years. The Cavs lose and people say "oh well LeBron still got his triple double." if LeBron hadn't gotten a triple double and his team had won I think he'd deserve more credit then him getting a triple double and his team still losing.

But as far as LeBron being Zab Judah, not yet but he still has yet to show the mentality of a champion or a great which floats him around there. But he still has a chance to change all of that. Zab Judah cannot.

And the statement Batman talent, Robin mentality. It means he has all the talent in the world but has yet to show he is a winner yet.

Maybe this is a better reference. He's more Pippen, then Jordan. Anyway I've sent you a Pm so we can keep debating basketball. However I do think if LeBron plays with Wade next year he has a much better chance at making the finals cause how much better of a team could u give him then he has on the Cavs? He has Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison who else could you get? He could have had Amare Staudimire but they decided to Keep JJ Hickson instead because they felt it was better for them, Farajao was having the best year of his career. Who else could LeBron get to get himself a title aside from someone like Dwayne Wade?

So as far as Judah goes.

the "How good could Zab been if" I don't think anything could have saved his career. He didn't have the mentality of a great. There are people with less talent then him that accomplished more then he did and talent had nothing to do with it. He just mentally isn't a great. That is what is being questioned about LeBron right now, talent is there(stats prove that as is said) but the mentality of a great isn't. But with LeBron you can always put a 'yet' at the end, with Judah, there is no 'yet' because his career is too far to be revived.

That's weird because Lebron has lived up to all the pressure since he came into the league... rookie of the year and already two MVP awards...kobe has been the league twice as long and only has one MVP not to mention he had the privilege of winning three titles with the most dominant big man recent memory...in fact one could argue that kobe has cost the lakers more titles than he's been responsible for winning.. the detroit series, the first year against san antonio in conference finals, and 2008. The rings he won were 90 percent because of SHAQ...other than last year which has an asterisk beside it because KG was injured...

[killersheep]

versus Celtics

Game 1
Points
Lebron: 35
Kobe: 30

Steals
Lebron: 3
Kobe: 1

Turnovers
Lebron: 2
Kobe: 4

Game 2
points
Lebron: 24
Kobe: 21

Steals
Lebron: 3
Kobe: 4

Turnovers
Lebron: 5
Kobe: 5

Game 3
points
Lebron:38
Kobe: 29

Steals
Lebron: 1
Kobe: 2

Turnovers
Lebron: 1
Kobe: 1


Game 4
points
Lebron: 22
Kobe: 33

Steals
Lebron: 2
Kobe: 2

Turnovers
Lebron: 7
Kobe: 7

[toogood4u]

just get rid of his father, lol

he sucks i know hes an experience fighter and all but what if he had like emanuel stewart at his corner?