Very cool video regarding Israel's defensible borders and territory negotiations.

[Kev]

But we live in very different times to the development of America. I am in no way saying it is justifiable to wipe out the Palestinians here. We live in a global age where you can't get away with such things so obviously and easily. Israel should look for other ways to integrate into the region, wiping out Palestinians isn't the way to go. An unwelcome guest shouldn't try to further upset the party by kicking over tables and shooting other invitees. You could at least say sorry and try to move on somewhat.

When have the Jews ever tried to wipe out the Palestinians? The have blockaded for the last few years only because Hammas was firing 100 rockets every single day into their lands.

Imagine that Miles, 100 rockets every single day. How long would any other nation tolerate that before invading their neighbour?

And also, you are completely wrong about Jewish state being created illegally.

In fact it's probably the most legitimately created state ever being a legal creation of the United League of Nations, and not just because of the holocaust but (and this is written into the document) because they are recognised by the united nations of the world as having a unique historic right to claim the land as rightfully theirs.

I can't think of any other nation in the world ever that had such backing for its inception, seeing as all other nations were taken by force.

Bilbo, it is trying having to respond to you in these topics because we seem to disagree on pretty much everything everything. When have the Jews ever tried to wipe out Palestinians? Just tally up the death ratios of Jews against Arabs and see where that gets you. Admittedly they haven't gone the US/Nazi way of entire ethnic cleansing, but they have gone the way of full on apartheid and occupation. I would prefer a pistol to the head than years of pointless struggle and oppression at the hands of imperialist bullies and that is just what the Israeli's are. The elite are a seriously nasty bunch of people. Why can't you get that through your head? Why has the world opposed Israel on so many fronts and yet nothing gets done because of the US veto? Are you telling me the entire world has it wrong on Israel? That they haven't commited acts of international terrorism? That they don't purposely oppress the people in Gaza?

You say the blockade has been going on for the past couple of years. Simply not true, it's been going on for several years. It's just that the Israeli's used the wipe out of Gaza as an excuse to go public on it. I cannot excuse the use of rockets, but likewise can you justify the building of illegal settlements, the destruction of farmland, the restricted access to water supplies and so on. Are these the actions of benevolent colonialists? Israel likes to control Palestine in part because it relies upon on the water supplies, of course they don't want to let go in such an arid part of the world.

You are twisting my words on the illegitimacy of the Israel state (after all most states are illegitimate when we go to their roots like you agree), but UN backing doesn't neccessarily mean the correct decision has been made. It just means that the power brokers have reached agreement. How many resolutions have been passed against Israel and rejected by a single veto?Does that make all of them illegitimate? Of course not. And I'm sure you are not naive enough to think so either.

You don't need to respond, in fact I would love it if you didn't. Just let me have the final say and all will be well

You can do what you would have the Israeli's do and make the first conscession.

I find so much of what you are saying on this topic to be so heavily drawn on the Israeli side, that it's difficult to imagine that you aren't Netanyahu himself. I obviously have to respond to such arguments. We all know there are two sides to every argument, but how much actual reading have you done on the other side, Bilbo?

How about an actual response to the terrible actions commited upon the Palestinian people over the years? How do you feel about such actions carried out by the Israeli elite? And how do you feel about this so called inquiry into the flotilla attack? It looks to me like the Israeli's have managed to work it so that it isn't particularly independant at all. Surely you can't agree with that too.

Well I think you are insanely heavily biased against Israel. It works both ways Miles

I noticed today how angry you were at us British for our part in the dreadful Bloody Sunday Massacre in 1972, where the inquiry has now put the blame entirely and 100 per cent on our troops, who killed it seems, in cold blood, unarmed civilians who posed no threat and were not attacking anybody.

I believe it was 19 or so who were killed in cold blood, unarmed, and have waited almost 40 years for justice.

You didn't seem that bothered.

Yet this flotilla of hate in your eyes is nothing but good old fashioned honest charity and aid. Nevermind the ignominious past of the IHH and their proven terror links, this doesn't matter to you because the Jews are guilty clearly.

Did you ever even read the report from the Danish Institute of International Studies?

This was completed in 2006 I believe and has nothing to do with Israeli bias or anything to do with them at all.

It's a fascinating document that exposes the new military strategy amongst terror groups, namely smuggling arms and conducting terror tactics under the guise of humanitarian aid. It's a growing concern and this important document highlights that.

If you scroll down to page 10 I believe in the document (pages on the document itself not the pdf's page count which counts the covers as pages obviously) and you'll see a few pages on the IHH.

http://www.diis.dk/graphics/Publicat...2006-7.web.pdf

It was a new form of terror tactic, nothing less. The inquiry into this does at least have foreign observers which is more than the British internal inquiries to the Iraq War and the Bloody Sunday Massacre had I believe?