Is America the leading terror state in the world today?

[Gandalf]

The way that you stated the question is pretty off, first of all. If we were the leading 'terror' state then why are my friends (these innocent people that you speak of) dying while fighting a war on foot. Why wouldn't we just nuke them? Or carpet bomb all of the innocent people? We'll kill plenty of terrorists and Al-Qaeda in the process, right? Just bomb them..

no..

There is plenty to be said with how America decides to settle politics with other countries, but leading terror? Are you kidding?

How is my question off? I am not talking about one particular war. I am talking about an accumulation of damage built up since WW2. Do your reading and then let's talk.

You aren't speaking rationally anyway. I'm not only talking of the obvious suspects which you are thinking of. Iraq and Afghanistan are the boring examples. But both are quite horrible. Iraq an illegal war built on lies. And Afghanistan which is a war built on finding the terror suspects, but then became a war about toppling the Taliban. Well, okay. Just get the story straight sometime.

Am I really kidding on leading terror though? In what way am I wrong? Name me another state that has America beat....

You're speaking of terror as killing innocent people. Believe me, I'm no super-patriot, and rarely ever defend my country in politics. If the Taliban and Al-Qaeda are partially responsible for the 9/11 disaster, then how are they innocent? What they did to us was an actor of terrorism. If we were car bombing their buildings in their towns or trying to hi-jack their hypothetical planes, then that would be consider an act of terrorism. If ANYTHING, we SUFFER from not killing innocent people because it is affecting us greatly. If we were such terrorists, as i said, why don't we just nuke all of afghanistan and kill all of the innocent people along with the wrong-doers. That's what they'd do to us if they could.

Don't get me wrong, terrorism from any side is evil and I don't condone it. But how did the Taliban cause 9-11? What evidence do you have of that?

Now how does this justify killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's? Now how does this justify the killing of even more Afghan people? That is terror and we don't even have the suspects. We went on the rampage without even an accurate target. We don't even know who we are aiming for.

Now you would justify the nuking of them instead? What, the same people that you don't have any evidence against? That makes you a nutter too. And they would do it to us if they could? Laughable really. We reap just what we sow. Where did 9-11 really come from? Possibly our own terrorists attacks which came back to haunt us. Stop being sensible miles!

Why don't you read what i typed?

I said if we were such terrorists, why wouldn't we just nuke them? How am I justifying nuking them in that question? Right, i'm not.

Anyway, I'm done talking about this if you think that if they had the capability to nuke us that they wouldn't. It's not like they hi-jacked four planes and killed 4,000 of our innocent people. Stop being sensible, RP!!

Nuke who exactly? Saudi Arabia? Those are the only links we have and nothing has happened to Saudi Arabia and it won't because you know......you are allies. You don't punish allies until they then cross you. You need to do some reading lad. You should know all this. Saudi Arabia is a horrible country but
working with wallstreet they provide horribly overpriced oil and you rely on them.

Why is this such a hard concept for you to grasp? I'm talking about Afgahanistan and anywhere else where any terrorists or any affiliates of the terrorists that have attacked us are. If we're such terrorists, why don't we nuke them? Why bother losing men in our army?

I read plenty, thanks.

Again, this all goes to your definition of terror. you're a brit, right?

What about 100 years of British rule in India?
What about British occupation in Northern Ireland?
What about the British bombing French ships in North Africa in 1940?
What about when the British invaded Malaysia in 1960 when commies were trying to take over? Pretty similar to the US's involvement in Vietnam.

I digress.

What profoundly weak arguments....you have no evidence that the Afghans ever attacked you.

Do you think because I am English that I am going to defend British interests? Integrity doesn't work that way. I believe in integrity and nationalism seldom has that. I discard nationalism. I believe in truth and honesty and that's where I confuse the propagandists.

I'd like to continue discussing this, but lunch is nearly over..

All i will say, again, is that 'terror' is clearly open for interpretation. For example, if you think Libya was innocent, strange considering the reason we bombed them was because of THEIR terrorist attacks resulting in US deaths, then clearly you're speaking of something different than my definition of terror.

Look noone wants to hear that their 'Dad' is a dick and their government quite evil, but it's simply the truth about America. You have a media glossing over things, you have a weak academic core keeping it pretty, but seriously man, step outside the box and do some reading and it becomes quite interesting. Rather than be threatened by what I say, you should listen to it and do your own reading and then decide for yourself.

If you disagree after reading and thinking then fair enough, but don't get upset when you aren't even sure what you even know. That's just silly.

Who's threatened by what you say? As i said, i'm no super-patriot, say what you will about the US. I do plenty of reading, as i said.. I'd consider myself quite educated with my experience and accomplishments so far, and at 24, i make close to double what anyone less than or equal to 30 years of age in the country makes, so insecurity is not present. I'm not threatened by your vast, incomparable knowledge of the world, sir miles, i assure you. No one's upset. Don't be silly. Why make a thread, with a QUESTION, at that, if you're going to argue with those that oppose your view? Wrong forum for such.

Nobody is threatened by what I say and I don't want them to be either. I think a lot of people are used to it and I think a lot of others will ignore it and so they should. I asked the question because I think it is an important one, but also a very interesting one. I knew plenty would disagree and it's not like I can make the world agree with me anyway. This forum is where I feel most at home so I will start the threads that interest me, so that's a strange argument. If you can't handle the argument then fair enough, but life goes on and miles is sticking around and will always ask the questions others run away from.

[Gandalf]

But seriously, you say you are well read. In that case that means you have already learned to see through the media. And that's why you should know bettter than this Afghan Iraq war bullshit, these are not democratic wars.

[Gandalf]

But seriously, you say you are well read. In that case that means you have already learned to see through the media. And that's why you should know bettter than this Afghan Iraq war bullshit, these are not democratic wars.

These are imperialist conquests, and you know it.

[ono]

But seriously, you say you are well read. In that case that means you have already learned to see through the media. And that's why you should know bettter than this Afghan Iraq war bullshit, these are not democratic wars.

These are imperialist conquests, and you know it.

Arguing with himself now. He's really gone mad

[Kev]

But seriously, you say you are well read. In that case that means you have already learned to see through the media. And that's why you should know bettter than this Afghan Iraq war bullshit, these are not democratic wars.

Like you did with the flotilla you mean?

You are the most biased person on the board Miles, if you hate someone or something nothing will ever change your mind. Look at your attitude towards Amir khan as well. You are the defintion of anti-objective when it comes to your bugbears.

[Nameless]

But seriously, you say you are well read. In that case that means you have already learned to see through the media. And that's why you should know bettter than this Afghan Iraq war bullshit, these are not democratic wars.

Like you did with the flotilla you mean?

You are the most biased person on the board Miles, if you hate someone or something nothing will ever change your mind. Look at your attitude towards Amir khan as well. You are the defintion of anti-objective when it comes to your bugbears.

well... You have the same attitude with Bute Bilbo and when you embrace something like the Israel political position, you're getting quite blind to the best arguments peoples offer you just because, even if it's true, it goes against your convictions. Perhaps then, you and MIles are just sharing a different side of the same mirror

[Kev]

But seriously, you say you are well read. In that case that means you have already learned to see through the media. And that's why you should know bettter than this Afghan Iraq war bullshit, these are not democratic wars.

Like you did with the flotilla you mean?

You are the most biased person on the board Miles, if you hate someone or something nothing will ever change your mind. Look at your attitude towards Amir khan as well. You are the defintion of anti-objective when it comes to your bugbears.

well... You have the same attitude with Butte Bilbo and when you embrace something like the Israel political position, you're getting quite blind to the best arguments peoples offer you just because, even if it's true, it goes against your convictions. Perhaps then, you and MIles are just sharing a different side of the same mirror

How is my attitude to Bute the same? I've always made it very clear I dislike him fro two reasons, none of them rational. Firstly the Ring places him as their Ring champ at 168, secondly ICB rates him.

I readily admit it's not based on facts, the same reason I hate David Haye for being a big, buff attractive, confident man.

I can seperate bias from reality, unlike Miles.

[Gandalf]

But seriously, you say you are well read. In that case that means you have already learned to see through the media. And that's why you should know bettter than this Afghan Iraq war bullshit, these are not democratic wars.

Like you did with the flotilla you mean?

You are the most biased person on the board Miles, if you hate someone or something nothing will ever change your mind. Look at your attitude towards Amir khan as well. You are the defintion of anti-objective when it comes to your bugbears.

well... You have the same attitude with Butte Bilbo and when you embrace something like the Israel political position, you're getting quite blind to the best arguments peoples offer you just because, even if it's true, it goes against your convictions. Perhaps then, you and MIles are just sharing a different side of the same mirror

How is my attitude to Bute the same? I've always made it very clear I dislike him fro two reasons, none of them rational. Firstly the Ring places him as their Ring champ at 168, secondly ICB rates him.

I readily admit it's not based on facts, the same reason I hate David Haye for being a big, buff attractive, confident man.

I can seperate bias from reality, unlike Miles.

Can you bollocks, Bilbo.

Go back through each and every one of my examples given and get back to me in a week. You have no idea what you are talking about Bilbo and thats quite okay. You have no academic credentials whatsover. You are really just a weird extremist with nothing to back you up.

[Gandalf]

But seriously, you say you are well read. In that case that means you have already learned to see through the media. And that's why you should know bettter than this Afghan Iraq war bullshit, these are not democratic wars.

Like you did with the flotilla you mean?

You are the most biased person on the board Miles, if you hate someone or something nothing will ever change your mind. Look at your attitude towards Amir khan as well. You are the defintion of anti-objective when it comes to your bugbears.

well... You have the same attitude with Butte Bilbo and when you embrace something like the Israel political position, you're getting quite blind to the best arguments peoples offer you just because, even if it's true, it goes against your convictions. Perhaps then, you and MIles are just sharing a different side of the same mirror

How is my attitude to Bute the same? I've always made it very clear I dislike him fro two reasons, none of them rational. Firstly the Ring places him as their Ring champ at 168, secondly ICB rates him.

I readily admit it's not based on facts, the same reason I hate David Haye for being a big, buff attractive, confident man.

I can seperate bias from reality, unlike Miles.

Can you bollocks, Bilbo.

Go back through each and every one of my examples given and get back to me in a week. You have no idea what you are talking about Bilbo and thats quite okay. You have no academic credentials whatsover. You are really just a weird extremist with nothing to back you up.

Oh but Bilbo can warn against dangerous critical thinkers and can warn againstthose that seek more than a south coast and an ocean view.


Ahwell, if that's what a silly prick like Bilbo needs then let him be, But he really is quite
stupid.

[Gandalf]

But seriously, you say you are well read. In that case that means you have already learned to see through the media. And that's why you should know bettter than this Afghan Iraq war bullshit, these are not democratic wars.

Like you did with the flotilla you mean?

You are the most biased person on the board Miles, if you hate someone or something nothing will ever change your mind. Look at your attitude towards Amir khan as well. You are the defintion of anti-objective when it comes to your bugbears.

Nonsense Bilbo, you are not liking the fact that the real facts are against what you are saying and want to try and subvert it. The flotilla people were not the terrorists, it was the Israeli government.

[Kev]

I think Miles has finally lost it. I can see a Derek Bird type massacre in Korea approaching.

Also, please stop going on and on at RP33 to 'do some reading lad', as if reading one of Chomsky's books suddenly makes you a world authority on global affairs.

There are many people in the world who have different opinions to this great man you know, no need for you to deify him.

[Gandalf]

I think Miles has finally lost it. I can see a Derek Bird type massacre in Korea approaching.

Also, please stop going on and on at RP33 to 'do some reading lad', as if reading one of Chomsky's books suddenly makes you a world authority on global affairs.

There are many people in the world who have different opinions to this great man you know, no need for you to deify him.

Says the man that combines Israeli state propaganda/the Bible/and porn?

[ono]

I think Miles has finally lost it. I can see a Derek Bird type massacre in Korea approaching.

Also, please stop going on and on at RP33 to 'do some reading lad', as if reading one of Chomsky's books suddenly makes you a world authority on global affairs.

There are many people in the world who have different opinions to this great man you know, no need for you to deify him.

Says the man that combines Israeli state propaganda/the Bible/and porn?

Downloaded porn aswell. That's fucked up

[Kev]

I think Miles has finally lost it. I can see a Derek Bird type massacre in Korea approaching.

Also, please stop going on and on at RP33 to 'do some reading lad', as if reading one of Chomsky's books suddenly makes you a world authority on global affairs.

There are many people in the world who have different opinions to this great man you know, no need for you to deify him.

Says the man that combines Israeli state propaganda/the Bible/and porn?

Indeed. Actually thanks to the Bible I can speak with absolute authority on Israel. They are the winning side Miles, no matter how wrong you think they are. God Himself gave them the land for as an everlasting possession. The Arabs will never take it back.

You say you understand history and global affairs but you do not see what is really happening. The whole world is divided into three groups, the gentiles, which is the Christian West largely, then the sons of Ishamel, the expansionist Arabs, bent on controlling the whole world, and then, smallest of all, but most powerful of all, God's own people, the indestructable Jews, living again in their tiny homeland, a source of wonder and hatred for the whole world.

The whole world shows the power of God to control human affairs. You are on the wrong side. Look at my sig and be warned. The Jews will win out, and as God Himself wrote, 'I will bless those that bless you, and curse those who curse you'.

You talk about doing some reading, but you need to educate yourself on the most important facts of all, and make sure you are on the right side.

Godlessness opposes God's people, but the Godless will lose.

That is all.

[Gandalf]

You are kind of escaping the argument Bilbo. Is America the leading terror state in the world today?