The only top team England have beat in the world cup since 1966 in Argentina in 2002.

[Gandalf]

England are rubbish and I have now come to accept that we have no chance.

[Kev]

England are rubbish and I have now come to accept that we have no chance.

Are you going to create a whiny thread is the question though...........

[Gandalf]

England are rubbish and I have now come to accept that we have no chance.

Are you going to create a whiny thread is the question though...........

Nah, I would be preaching to the converted with that one. No new threads today, I'm off to the park for reading and badminton.

[Master]

Ever since 1982 I have firmly beleived England would win the world cup. What a prat I have been all my life.

[El Kabong]

Seems to me that England are on the slide and it's about time Scotland or Ireland got it going again

England right now are like a bad Duke basketball team, slow, predictable, and too reliant on miraculous plays by unimaginative players that lack creativity.

Before the game vs the US everyone said position by position (bar Goal Keeper) England had the best players.....what do you guys make of that now?

I'd bet you'd rather have Dempsey and Donovan than Lampard and Lennon/SWP

[ono]

Seems to me that England are on the slide and it's about time Scotland or Ireland got it going again

England right now are like a bad Duke basketball team, slow, predictable, and too reliant on miraculous plays by unimaginative players that lack creativity.

Before the game vs the US everyone said position by position (bar Goal Keeper) England had the best players.....what do you guys make of that now?

I'd bet you'd rather have Dempsey and Donovan than Lampard and Lennon/SWP

In short, no.

Donovan and Dempsey are good players, but not on Lampards level. The problem is England don't have a ball carrier, nor do we have enough players who are extremely comfortable on the ball. Rooney is out most technically gifted player, but his technical skill is probably pretty similar to most other countries run of the mill attacking midfielders.

The problem begins at a grass roots level. The fast and the strong prosper at junior level because the football is kick and rush, and the big fast guy upfront will score hat fulls of goals. Technically gifted footballers are harder to spot than the big guy who can 'do a job' unfortunately.

Take Theo Lolcott for example. Stick him up front at junior level and he will score masses of goals. He's much quicker than everyone, the pitch is massive and a punt upfield will be all he needs. Great, he scores a lot and stands out. But once he reaches a certain age and his physical attributes are no longer as decisive (in other words he's up against players who know how to play against pace)he will struggle, because he doesn't have the footballing ability nor does he have the footballing brain to fall back on. And this is evident for a lot of players - Agbonlahor, SWP, Lennon, Walcott....

It's also worth mentioning that the conditions in England don't exactly favour 'ball-players'. You try dribbling with the ball on an absolute mire of a pitch on a cold and wet Saturday morning, surrounded by 10 dicks heads who want to kick you. It doesn't encourage you to play with the ball or to try and keep possession.

Seriously, it's a problem. I play on Astro Turf myself, purely because the quality of football is better, because the surface forces you to play actual football. It's more enjoyable and technique shines bright. With this in mind i'd like to see the FA promote some form of 11 aside summer league throughout the country, played on Astro Turf and have the competitions heavily scouted.

There are technically brilliant players out there, but like i said, they slip through the net because technique isn't as effective as pace and power at junior and amatuer levels.

Maybe one day we'll address this problem, but until then we will see disappointment after disappointment at International level.

[El Kabong]

Fair enough....as an American I'm just happy Donovan said "Fuck it, I'm taking the reigns" when we were down 2-0 and he put the team on his back and nearly carried us to victory, IMO England don't have that, they are playing without passion and the US is playign to prove something......tough thing is so are Slovenia and Algeria. The tie vs Slovenia shouldn't have happened, if the US can put together 2 solid halves of soccer we can beat anyone

[Kirkland Laing]

Seems to me that England are on the slide and it's about time Scotland or Ireland got it going again

England right now are like a bad Duke basketball team, slow, predictable, and too reliant on miraculous plays by unimaginative players that lack creativity.

Before the game vs the US everyone said position by position (bar Goal Keeper) England had the best players.....what do you guys make of that now?

I'd bet you'd rather have Dempsey and Donovan than Lampard and Lennon/SWP

In short, no.

Donovan and Dempsey are good players, but not on Lampards level. The problem is England don't have a ball carrier, nor do we have enough players who are extremely comfortable on the ball. Rooney is out most technically gifted player, but his technical skill is probably pretty similar to most other countries run of the mill attacking midfielders.

The problem begins at a grass roots level. The fast and the strong prosper at junior level because the football is kick and rush, and the big fast guy upfront will score hat fulls of goals. Technically gifted footballers are harder to spot than the big guy who can 'do a job' unfortunately.

Take Theo Lolcott for example. Stick him up front at junior level and he will score masses of goals. He's much quicker than everyone, the pitch is massive and a punt upfield will be all he needs. Great, he scores a lot and stands out. But once he reaches a certain age and his physical attributes are no longer as decisive (in other words he's up against players who know how to play against pace)he will struggle, because he doesn't have the footballing ability nor does he have the footballing brain to fall back on. And this is evident for a lot of players - Agbonlahor, SWP, Lennon, Walcott....

It's also worth mentioning that the conditions in England don't exactly favour 'ball-players'. You try dribbling with the ball on an absolute mire of a pitch on a cold and wet Saturday morning, surrounded by 10 dicks heads who want to kick you. It doesn't encourage you to play with the ball or to try and keep possession.

Seriously, it's a problem. I play on Astro Turf myself, purely because the quality of football is better, because the surface forces you to play actual football. It's more enjoyable and technique shines bright. With this in mind i'd like to see the FA promote some form of 11 aside summer league throughout the country, played on Astro Turf and have the competitions heavily scouted.

There are technically brilliant players out there, but like i said, they slip through the net because technique isn't as effective as pace and power at junior and amatuer levels.

Maybe one day we'll address this problem, but until then we will see disappointment after disappointment at International level.

This is right on. If Xavi and Iniesta were English they wouldn't have made the grade because they were too small and wouldn't have developed their skills anyway because they'd have spent their formative years watching the ball soar over their heads all game. Trevor Brooking was given the job years ago of sorting out the whole youth coaching system but everything he tried got blocked by the clubs or the FA.