Well done usa!!

[AdamGB]

That's my point Algeria etc aren't going to win it... but there's nothing wrong with them getting behind their team though... or us getting behind ours.

They know they're not going to win but luckily they can enjoy their team putting up a good effort with out being arrogant cunts about it... we can't do either!

and please don't call supporting our football team patriotic!! Could go off on a massive tangent about my thoughts on that... but I'm going to spare the forum for now!

I'd support the team if they were utter shite but gave it there all... as it stands they're a decent team who so far have given fuck all... why would I get behind that?

If I had to chose between a group of Algerians who have never played in the world cup, who earn a pitance compared to the vast majority of the england players and who go out and put up a good, honest effort or a bunch of stuck up posers (supported by some of the worlds top sports scientists, nutritionists, coaches etc) who can't even be arsed to show up - I'm not going to pick the latter just because they're from the same country as me!

Especially not the likes of John Terry... or Ashley Cole who looked like he was wearing more make up than his ex missus does!

[Kev]

That's my point Algeria etc aren't going to win it... but there's nothing wrong with them getting behind their team though... or us getting behind ours.

They know they're not going to win but luckily they can enjoy their team putting up a good effort with out being arrogant cunts about it... we can't do either!

and please don't call supporting our football team patriotic!! Could go off on a massive tangent about my thoughts on that... but I'm going to spare the forum for now!

I'd support the team if they were utter shite but gave it there all... as it stands they're a decent team who so far have given fuck all... why would I get behind that?

If I had to chose between a group of Algerians who have never played in the world cup, who earn a pitance compared to the vast majority of the england players and who go out and put up a good, honest effort or a bunch of stuck up posers (supported by some of the worlds top sports scientists, nutritionists, coaches etc) who can't even be arsed to show up - I'm not going to pick the latter just because they're from the same country as me!

Especially not the likes of John Terry... or Ashley Cole who looked like he was wearing more make up than his ex missus does!

Now your just contradicting your original post? I agree they have completely let us down and are playing well below what they should be, but you posted we were wrong to expect more because we only have a very average team. Now we are decent?

And also, who said we were going to win the World Cup? A newspaper or fans showing support for their national team is not nearly the same as objectively assessing our chances and making us the favourites.

What football analysts are suggesting we should be the favourites to lift the trophy?

Most would see anything less than the quarters as disappointed (I still would) and would have regarded a real success as reaching the semi's. I think those are realistic objectives and not hype at all.

Which experts said we were going to win it?

[AdamGB]

I never said experts... I'm talking about guys I've seen in pubs, at work, in the gym etc... who have watched too many beer adverts and who talk about 1966 and Gazza crying too much. ((my news feed post match or what ever poster was suffering angst and telling everybody to fuck off in your 'fuck America thread' are rife with it )

Read plenty of articles in the sun/mirror saying that Rooney will be this cup's Ronaldo etc whether or not these guys are respected analysts isn't the point really... it's the fools stupid enough to read it and buy into it and those are who I'm on about.

and again I'm not saying don't support the team... just don't be arrogant deluded twats about them. aimed at nobody in perticular... just the general attitudes I'm personally coming across.

Can't see a contradiction at all... I'd get behind a team who put up an honest effort, whether they have a chance or not... it's not the same as acting arrogantly over a bunch of under performing, frankly over rated posers.

Not got a problem with our team's ability, people supporting football teams or what ever... but the attitudes of most of our players and some of our fans doesn't really attract or interest me into becoming a massive football fan.

Massive fan of almost any sport but at times the attitude and culture that now surrounds football, especially in england turns my stomach.























Plus I never got over having my tender young heart broken back in 1996