'Sitting down' on your punches

[cambay411]

When i throw for power it helps me if i dip the knee of whatever hand i throw with. For example if i throw a straight right (in an orthadox stance) i dip my rear knee, at the same exact time im pushing with my legs as well. I guess it sounds kind of wierd. Its almost two motions at once but for me its smooth and i get alot of power. If anyone can explain this better help me out. For me the sitting down on your punches would be the dipping of the knees.

[cambay411]

To be more general i would say that someone that does not sit down on there punches is throwing arm punches. On the other hand, someone who does sit down on their punches is using there legs, hips and core body in the proper ways to get the most power from their punches.

[HerbM]

To be more general i would say that someone that does not sit down on there punches is throwing arm punches. On the other hand, someone who does sit down on their punches is using there legs, hips and core body in the proper ways to get the most power from their punches.

Back to the original question here:

Since you used the phrase as a necessary component of generating maximum power, what definition are you using for this phrase "sitting down [their] punches"?

Cambay, you might have a better understanding and definition of the phrase to get us all thinking about the same thing....


Also a minor point: Couldn't one being turning without lowering, and therefore using hips, core, or shoulders?

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HerbM

[HerbM]

When i throw for power it helps me if i dip the knee of whatever hand i throw with. For example if i throw a straight right (in an orthadox stance) i dip my rear knee, at the same exact time im pushing with my legs as well. I guess it sounds kind of wierd. Its almost two motions at once but for me its smooth and i get alot of power. If anyone can explain this better help me out. For me the sitting down on your punches would be the dipping of the knees.

Seems to work for the front hand, but would you really do this for a rear (power) hand strike, i.e., dip the rear knee?

Are you unweighting the rear leg here, or perhaps fully unweighting the front leg and sinking into the back one (that makes sense but then both 'knees' would be flexing [slightly])?

If so, please try to explain and elaborate, or maybe their is another source for this you can point out...?

[cambay411]

When i throw for power it helps me if i dip the knee of whatever hand i throw with. For example if i throw a straight right (in an orthadox stance) i dip my rear knee, at the same exact time im pushing with my legs as well. I guess it sounds kind of wierd. Its almost two motions at once but for me its smooth and i get alot of power. If anyone can explain this better help me out. For me the sitting down on your punches would be the dipping of the knees.

Seems to work for the front hand, but would you really do this for a rear (power) hand strike, i.e., dip the rear knee?

Are you unweighting the rear leg here, or perhaps fully unweighting the front leg and sinking into the back one (that makes sense but then both 'knees' would be flexing [slightly])?

If so, please try to explain and elaborate, or maybe their is another source for this you can point out...?

Good question herb, thinking more into this i would say the dip in the knee for a straight right (orthadox) helps me transfer most of my wieght to my front foot while at the exact same time push with the balls of my foot on my rear foot. I also use the shift in energy to transfer power from side to side with my hips which also flows up threw my core and shoulders and finally my fist (hope that makes since lol). A better description of the motion i think is when throwing a right uppercut. Transfer wieght to front leg, dip the knee, twist the body and land the punch in one motion.

[HerbM]

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Good question herb, thinking more into this i would say the dip in the knee for a straight right (orthadox) helps me transfer most of my wieght to my front foot while at the exact same time push with the balls of my foot on my rear foot. I also use the shift in energy to transfer power from side to side with my hips which also flows up threw my core and shoulders and finally my fist (hope that makes since lol). A better description of the motion i think is when throwing a right uppercut. Transfer wieght to front leg, dip the knee, twist the body and land the punch in one motion.

Ok. My coach would have me doing push-ups in the hundreds if I transferred most of my weight to my front foot.

I can sometimes get away with taking the weight OFF my front foot and transferring a good bit of that to my STRIKING hand (the rest goes temporarily to the rear foot) for just a 1/4 of a second during the impact -- this is what I understand from reading Dempsey.

As for doing this during an uppercut, I really don't understand that, since I am trying to drive up by straightening my already bent knees during the punch. For the uppercut I want my shoulder to get HIGHER with my body driving as my fist makes contact.

Just saying....

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HerbM

[Scrap]

Your front Heel is your Biomechanical break,your Hip cannot turn without assistance from the back leg, cant happen. The Drive comes from the abductors of the back leg which give drive and direction. If the Head moves balance is lost and you finnish up on the front foot, the break. Now that is where the adductors on the front leg come in to play bending the knee and lifting the foot at the same time as the back foot is doing its thing. Giving Oral stability, the Head stays where it is Balanced to Orchastrate movement

[Scrap]

Foot should read Heel

[cambay411]

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Good question herb, thinking more into this i would say the dip in the knee for a straight right (orthadox) helps me transfer most of my wieght to my front foot while at the exact same time push with the balls of my foot on my rear foot. I also use the shift in energy to transfer power from side to side with my hips which also flows up threw my core and shoulders and finally my fist (hope that makes since lol). A better description of the motion i think is when throwing a right uppercut. Transfer wieght to front leg, dip the knee, twist the body and land the punch in one motion.

Ok. My coach would have me doing push-ups in the hundreds if I transferred most of my weight to my front foot.

I can sometimes get away with taking the weight OFF my front foot and transferring a good bit of that to my STRIKING hand (the rest goes temporarily to the rear foot) for just a 1/4 of a second during the impact -- this is what I understand from reading Dempsey.


As for doing this during an uppercut, I really don't understand that, since I am trying to drive up by straightening my already bent knees during the punch. For the uppercut I want my shoulder to get HIGHER with my body driving as my fist makes contact.

Just saying....

Herb wieght was a bad word to use there, i should have said energy. Also i would have to say your right i would not transfer all the my wieght or energy to my front foot, as i maintain a good stance and balance throughout. As far as the knee dip, maybe a better way to describe that would be to "turn the knee in". The main objective of this motion is not to drop the knee but to turn your body into the punch. On my right uppercut in an orthadox stance i turn the rear knee in while at the same time pushing with the balls of my rear foot. And all this energy i create sling shots into a strike. Thanks for helping Herb tell me anything i can do to improve my technique.

[HerbM]

...Herb wieght was a bad word to use there, i should have said energy. Also i would have to say your right i would not transfer all the my wieght or energy to my front foot, as i maintain a good stance and balance throughout. As far as the knee dip, maybe a better way to describe that would be to "turn the knee in". The main objective of this motion is not to drop the knee but to turn your body into the punch. On my right uppercut in an orthadox stance i turn the rear knee in while at the same time pushing with the balls of my rear foot. And all this energy i create sling shots into a strike. Thanks for helping Herb tell me anything i can do to improve my technique.

I think maybe some of my confusion is just due to your description, and maybe if you were showing it on video it would make (more) sense.

Again, though, I don't see how turning the front knee inside on a read hand punch could ever work. The effect would be to turn you back towards the rear hand (the wrong way.)

For an uppercut, not sure what turning "the rear knee in" would do, but we were early talking about dipping, weighting (or energy), or otherwise moving the FRONT KNEE even for back hand shots.

My guess is that if someone turns the rear knee in during an uppercut, this is just going to be awkward.

I know that it feels natural to me to turn my (striking hand) foot towards the center (clockwise for left, counter for right) but my coach doesn't want me doing that -- although he'll ignore a LITTLE bit of this if I don't emphasize it too much. As my shoulders/hips twist (for hooks) and extend (for uppercuts) it seems to make sense to just reposition my feet (by turning not lifting or stepping) to help control and direct the momentum as the strike occurs.

BUT don't BELIEVE me on hooks or especially uppercuts. Mine don't suck but they are far from perfect (according to my coach.) My jab(s) on the other hand are quite effective, both at setup and power (when I want that.)

I am doing my best to keep about 60% of my weight on my rear foot, even during a punch, unless I am CERTAIN of striking solid, and then at the last moment that Dempsey step seems to work very well for power on straight punches.

Shoulders and hip turning for hooks, shoulder and hip uncoiling for uppercuts.

Freddie Roach has some videos on YouTube for this stuff, and some of the coaches here do too, maybe Fran's MyBoxingCoach.Com.

Roach is the trainer with the MOST world champs (currently, and second only to HIS coach Eddie Futch), so I tend to believe him, except that when he disagrees with MY coach he isn't there to do my push-ups

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HerbM

[cambay411]

Interesting Herb. I would say when i throw a punch with my lead hand i have about 60 percent on my front foot and 40 on the back, if that, has i stay pretty balanced. With my rear hand it is opposite. And when i say turning the knee in, it is a dipping kind of motion. My knee is pointing toward what im punching (i really wish i could show you this). Also, with whatever hand i strike with, i do turn that foot in with a squashing a bug or putting out a cigarette type motion (like i step on a bug then turn my foot in to grind and make sure i got it). If i throw a punch with my lead hand i actaully step into it and turn my foot in, with my rear hand i do not step i just turn my foot in. While i am punching i am on the balls of my feet. This is wrong? I am sorry because i am doing a horrible job describing this.