Temptation.

[Kev]

There is no excuse for it ever. If you don't want to be in a relationship with the mother of your child then you need to be direct and tell her so. How did you allow yourself to be put into a situation where you are snogging this girl? That's what I don't understand with some of you people. If you are a responsible father and a commited partner/spouse then you shouldn't be allowing yourself to be put into such uncompromising situations.

Bilbo, none of us are perfect and all of us have had our problems at some time or another, but cheating is good for nobody. It destroys lives and breaks up families. If Ice doesn't want in then he should at least man up and get out by being upfront with his girl or if he does want in then should find a little bit of backbone. It really isn't that hard to go about a relationship the right way.

For fuck's sake Miles he's 20 years old. You seem to have the sexual mores and joy crushing convictions of Oliver Cromwell. It wouldn't suprise me if you too would like to ban Christmas and alcohol and give everyone a 9 pm nighttime curfew.

Don't feel too bad Ice, EVERY normal 20 year old lad is interested in girls. Outside of the Waltons nobody actually lives the unblemished moral lives that Miles seems to demand.

I wouldn't do anything drastic, if you love your kid and your girl you don't have to worry about leaving them or anything. Just make sure you're more sensible than I was last week and don't make out with her in full view of your current girls' family.

[Spicoli]

Honestly bud...if its a question at this very early stage ,you know the answer.You can relocate yeh but the wandering eyes and seeking fondness are what needs to change.Your just into the world of marriage so its time to rip open the chest and ask why your tempted...are you looking to something or away from something.Find out now and dont drag the child and one you stated love for into the abyss...btw,do you happen to know HER status?Ahhh... shutting up now.

[Youngblood]

pics or gtfo.

[Kev]

Honestly bud...if its a question at this very early stage ,you know the answer.You can relocate yeh but the wandering eyes and seeking fondness are what needs to change.Your just into the world of marriage so its time to rip open the chest and ask why your tempted...are you looking to something or away from something.Find out now and dont drag the child and one you stated love for into the abyss...btw,do you happen to know HER status?Ahhh... shutting up now.

Am I the only one who doesn't really think this is that unusual or that big of a deal?

There doesn't have to be anything wrong with his current relationship. I don't think it's a case of looking for a way out necessarily but rather a case of just being two things, 1) young, and 2) a man.

We are all attracted to girls no matter what age or how great your current relationship is. He's 20 years old, to stay faithful to a girl forever now would be VERY VERY unusual in this day and age, in fact I've never met a guy who has managed it, even amongst those who go to church.

I wouldn't feel too bad about yourself Ice, you're young and you are going to be attracted to many, many girls over the course of your lifetime.

I don't see why you can't stay with your current girlfriend or that you should feel too guilty.

She may not yet, but in time she too will meet some guy and be tempted, it's called human nature and everyone does it when they are young.

You only live once mate, go where your heart takes you and have the experiences that you want in life. Try and be honest with people but if you were to accept right now that for the rest of your life you were never going to be with anyone else apart from your current girl, well, what would be the point of carrying on?

You'll end up like Miles, bitter and angry, with all the joy sucked out of your being, and maybe even being groped by other men who clearly have also gone nuts through the miseries of married life.

[ono]

Honestly bud...if its a question at this very early stage ,you know the answer.You can relocate yeh but the wandering eyes and seeking fondness are what needs to change.Your just into the world of marriage so its time to rip open the chest and ask why your tempted...are you looking to something or away from something.Find out now and dont drag the child and one you stated love for into the abyss...btw,do you happen to know HER status?Ahhh... shutting up now.

Am I the only one who doesn't really think this is that unusual or that big of a deal?

There doesn't have to be anything wrong with his current relationship. I don't think it's a case of looking for a way out necessarily but rather a case of just being two things, 1) young, and 2) a man.

We are all attracted to girls no matter what age or how great your current relationship is. He's 20 years old, to stay faithful to a girl forever now would be VERY VERY unusual in this day and age, in fact I've never met a guy who has managed it, even amongst those who go to church.

I wouldn't feel too bad about yourself Ice, you're young and you are going to be attracted to many, many girls over the course of your lifetime.

I don't see why you can't stay with your current girlfriend or that you should feel too guilty.

She may not yet, but in time she too will meet some guy and be tempted, it's called human nature and everyone does it when they are young.

You only live once mate, go where your heart takes you and have the experiences that you want in life. Try and be honest with people but if you were to accept right now that for the rest of your life you were never going to be with anyone else apart from your current girl, well, what would be the point of carrying on?

You'll end up like Miles, bitter and angry, with all the joy sucked out of your being, and maybe even being groped by other men who clearly have also gone nuts through the miseries of married life.

Human nature mate, but we have to pretend it's wrong and we have to pretend there's this thing called love which dictates we'll only ever fall for one person.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Honestly bud...if its a question at this very early stage ,you know the answer.You can relocate yeh but the wandering eyes and seeking fondness are what needs to change.Your just into the world of marriage so its time to rip open the chest and ask why your tempted...are you looking to something or away from something.Find out now and dont drag the child and one you stated love for into the abyss...btw,do you happen to know HER status?Ahhh... shutting up now.

Am I the only one who doesn't really think this is that unusual or that big of a deal?

There doesn't have to be anything wrong with his current relationship. I don't think it's a case of looking for a way out necessarily but rather a case of just being two things, 1) young, and 2) a man.

We are all attracted to girls no matter what age or how great your current relationship is. He's 20 years old, to stay faithful to a girl forever now would be VERY VERY unusual in this day and age, in fact I've never met a guy who has managed it, even amongst those who go to church.

I wouldn't feel too bad about yourself Ice, you're young and you are going to be attracted to many, many girls over the course of your lifetime.

I don't see why you can't stay with your current girlfriend or that you should feel too guilty.

She may not yet, but in time she too will meet some guy and be tempted, it's called human nature and everyone does it when they are young.

You only live once mate, go where your heart takes you and have the experiences that you want in life. Try and be honest with people but if you were to accept right now that for the rest of your life you were never going to be with anyone else apart from your current girl, well, what would be the point of carrying on?

You'll end up like Miles, bitter and angry, with all the joy sucked out of your being, and maybe even being groped by other men who clearly have also gone nuts through the miseries of married life.

Human nature mate, but we have to pretend it's wrong and we have to pretend there's this thing called love which dictates we'll only ever fall for one person.

ICB said nothing about love.

And there are very specific hormones/chemical responses that produce that 'love' feeling so it is real, just depends how you want to describe or debate what triggers it.

[Kev]

Honestly bud...if its a question at this very early stage ,you know the answer.You can relocate yeh but the wandering eyes and seeking fondness are what needs to change.Your just into the world of marriage so its time to rip open the chest and ask why your tempted...are you looking to something or away from something.Find out now and dont drag the child and one you stated love for into the abyss...btw,do you happen to know HER status?Ahhh... shutting up now.

Am I the only one who doesn't really think this is that unusual or that big of a deal?

There doesn't have to be anything wrong with his current relationship. I don't think it's a case of looking for a way out necessarily but rather a case of just being two things, 1) young, and 2) a man.

We are all attracted to girls no matter what age or how great your current relationship is. He's 20 years old, to stay faithful to a girl forever now would be VERY VERY unusual in this day and age, in fact I've never met a guy who has managed it, even amongst those who go to church.

I wouldn't feel too bad about yourself Ice, you're young and you are going to be attracted to many, many girls over the course of your lifetime.

I don't see why you can't stay with your current girlfriend or that you should feel too guilty.

She may not yet, but in time she too will meet some guy and be tempted, it's called human nature and everyone does it when they are young.

You only live once mate, go where your heart takes you and have the experiences that you want in life. Try and be honest with people but if you were to accept right now that for the rest of your life you were never going to be with anyone else apart from your current girl, well, what would be the point of carrying on?

You'll end up like Miles, bitter and angry, with all the joy sucked out of your being, and maybe even being groped by other men who clearly have also gone nuts through the miseries of married life.

Human nature mate, but we have to pretend it's wrong and we have to pretend there's this thing called love which dictates we'll only ever fall for one person.

ICB said nothing about love.

And there are very specific hormones/chemical responses that produce that 'love' feeling so it is real, just depends how you want to describe or debate what triggers it.

Yes, and most of us men get those specific hormones and chemical responses to many women.

So you're saying this real love is wrong now?

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Honestly bud...if its a question at this very early stage ,you know the answer.You can relocate yeh but the wandering eyes and seeking fondness are what needs to change.Your just into the world of marriage so its time to rip open the chest and ask why your tempted...are you looking to something or away from something.Find out now and dont drag the child and one you stated love for into the abyss...btw,do you happen to know HER status?Ahhh... shutting up now.

Am I the only one who doesn't really think this is that unusual or that big of a deal?

There doesn't have to be anything wrong with his current relationship. I don't think it's a case of looking for a way out necessarily but rather a case of just being two things, 1) young, and 2) a man.

We are all attracted to girls no matter what age or how great your current relationship is. He's 20 years old, to stay faithful to a girl forever now would be VERY VERY unusual in this day and age, in fact I've never met a guy who has managed it, even amongst those who go to church.

I wouldn't feel too bad about yourself Ice, you're young and you are going to be attracted to many, many girls over the course of your lifetime.

I don't see why you can't stay with your current girlfriend or that you should feel too guilty.

She may not yet, but in time she too will meet some guy and be tempted, it's called human nature and everyone does it when they are young.

You only live once mate, go where your heart takes you and have the experiences that you want in life. Try and be honest with people but if you were to accept right now that for the rest of your life you were never going to be with anyone else apart from your current girl, well, what would be the point of carrying on?

You'll end up like Miles, bitter and angry, with all the joy sucked out of your being, and maybe even being groped by other men who clearly have also gone nuts through the miseries of married life.

Human nature mate, but we have to pretend it's wrong and we have to pretend there's this thing called love which dictates we'll only ever fall for one person.

ICB said nothing about love.

And there are very specific hormones/chemical responses that produce that 'love' feeling so it is real, just depends how you want to describe or debate what triggers it.

Yes, and most of us men get those specific hormones and chemical responses to many women.

So you're saying this real love is wrong now?

lust and love are not the same thing.

[ono]

Honestly bud...if its a question at this very early stage ,you know the answer.You can relocate yeh but the wandering eyes and seeking fondness are what needs to change.Your just into the world of marriage so its time to rip open the chest and ask why your tempted...are you looking to something or away from something.Find out now and dont drag the child and one you stated love for into the abyss...btw,do you happen to know HER status?Ahhh... shutting up now.

Am I the only one who doesn't really think this is that unusual or that big of a deal?

There doesn't have to be anything wrong with his current relationship. I don't think it's a case of looking for a way out necessarily but rather a case of just being two things, 1) young, and 2) a man.

We are all attracted to girls no matter what age or how great your current relationship is. He's 20 years old, to stay faithful to a girl forever now would be VERY VERY unusual in this day and age, in fact I've never met a guy who has managed it, even amongst those who go to church.

I wouldn't feel too bad about yourself Ice, you're young and you are going to be attracted to many, many girls over the course of your lifetime.

I don't see why you can't stay with your current girlfriend or that you should feel too guilty.

She may not yet, but in time she too will meet some guy and be tempted, it's called human nature and everyone does it when they are young.

You only live once mate, go where your heart takes you and have the experiences that you want in life. Try and be honest with people but if you were to accept right now that for the rest of your life you were never going to be with anyone else apart from your current girl, well, what would be the point of carrying on?

You'll end up like Miles, bitter and angry, with all the joy sucked out of your being, and maybe even being groped by other men who clearly have also gone nuts through the miseries of married life.

Human nature mate, but we have to pretend it's wrong and we have to pretend there's this thing called love which dictates we'll only ever fall for one person.

ICB said nothing about love.

And there are very specific hormones/chemical responses that produce that 'love' feeling so it is real, just depends how you want to describe or debate what triggers it.

I'm not arguing that love isn't a real feeling, i'm just saying it's not specific to one person, in the sense that it's very, very likely that ICE, or in fact any other guy could have those feelings for someone else. It's viewed as being morally wrong, but those feelings are perfectly natural and it's very difficult not to act on them when certain situations arise.

He could experience some, if not all of those chemical reactions for more than one girl at the same time.

[Fenster]

1. Childhood sweetheart
2. Baby
3. Don't wank/watch porn
4. Moved from London to Portsmouth (with mum?)
5. Bang in love with bird from gym

Very interesting.

Hey Ice, are you still cleaning up in the second-hand playstation game business?

[Spicoli]

Very insightful.Must say,I'm choosing my words carefully but is it also valid that the same intense "love" can see one led to stray from a marriage,an oath?I believe the physical is secondary with the right one,and you know it when you have it...shit,not to go Dr.Phil but any idiot can tussle in the sheets but love wins out,without it you have nothing worth owning.Wish we needed 1k posts to view this thread

[Gandalf]

There is no excuse for it ever. If you don't want to be in a relationship with the mother of your child then you need to be direct and tell her so. How did you allow yourself to be put into a situation where you are snogging this girl? That's what I don't understand with some of you people. If you are a responsible father and a commited partner/spouse then you shouldn't be allowing yourself to be put into such uncompromising situations.

Bilbo, none of us are perfect and all of us have had our problems at some time or another, but cheating is good for nobody. It destroys lives and breaks up families. If Ice doesn't want in then he should at least man up and get out by being upfront with his girl or if he does want in then should find a little bit of backbone. It really isn't that hard to go about a relationship the right way.

For fuck's sake Miles he's 20 years old. You seem to have the sexual mores and joy crushing convictions of Oliver Cromwell. It wouldn't suprise me if you too would like to ban Christmas and alcohol and give everyone a 9 pm nighttime curfew.

Don't feel too bad Ice, EVERY normal 20 year old lad is interested in girls. Outside of the Waltons nobody actually lives the unblemished moral lives that Miles seems to demand.

I wouldn't do anything drastic, if you love your kid and your girl you don't have to worry about leaving them or anything. Just make sure you're more sensible than I was last week and don't make out with her in full view of your current girls' family.

Humbug.

For sure, every lad is interested in girls. But the guy has a baby and a partner who most likely depends upon him. All I am saying is that he needs to think about things deeply and do what's right. People in long term relationships have obligations and if there are kids then those obligations run deeper. It is called having responsibilties, Bilbo. Every man should have them.

[Gandalf]

Just saw your second post. Bilbo, I might be negative and bitter about many things in life, but my marriage is one of the things that keeps me sane. All my bitterness is down to global politics and Amir Khan.

It all makes you realise how you should think before you do things. It's one of the reasons I haven't had children myself yet. I will never do so unless I can guarantee that child a certain quality of life that I myself never recieved. Life is a serious business and if you are going to get into long term relationships and marriages, then you have to face up to things as an adult. Cheating isn't really an option. Breaking up is fine though and taking care of your kid paramount. But cheating? That's for low life skanks.

[Kev]

Just saw your second post. Bilbo, I might be negative and bitter about many things in life, but my marriage is one of the things that keeps me sane. All my bitterness is down to global politics and Amir Khan.

It all makes you realise how you should think before you do things. It's one of the reasons I haven't had children myself yet. I will never do so unless I can guarantee that child a certain quality of life that I myself never recieved. Life is a serious business and if you are going to get into long term relationships and marriages, then you have to face up to things as an adult. Cheating isn't really an option. Breaking up is fine though and taking care of your kid paramount. But cheating? That's for low life skanks.

haha that made me lol

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Just saw your second post. Bilbo, I might be negative and bitter about many things in life, but my marriage is one of the things that keeps me sane. All my bitterness is down to global politics and Amir Khan.

It all makes you realise how you should think before you do things. It's one of the reasons I haven't had children myself yet. I will never do so unless I can guarantee that child a certain quality of life that I myself never recieved. Life is a serious business and if you are going to get into long term relationships and marriages, then you have to face up to things as an adult. Cheating isn't really an option. Breaking up is fine though and taking care of your kid paramount. But cheating? That's for low life skanks.

I'm knicking that one Miles