Haye one of worst heavyweight champs of all time?

[:::PSL:::]

Hmm.. I don't man. I think it's too early to call him that. I mean, I wouldn't compare him to McCall or Golota just yet.

[Drago]

Hmm.. I don't man. I think it's too early to call him that. I mean, I wouldn't compare him to McCall or Golota just yet.

mccall beat lewis for the title & golota basically beat the crap outta bowe twice?

haye has been takin everyone for a ride, not sure if he ever really wanted to fight the klitscko's

[fury]

i dunno but ruiz was bad..

[Bigdog1981]

A few david haye stats over his last seven fights.

The average age of his opponent is 35 years 4 months and 16 days. This would be much higher if you remove enzo from the list as he was 27 at the time of the fight.

Haye takes an average of 205 days between fights.

As a Heavyweight he has scored 12 knockdowns in four fights.

Make up your own mind.

[superheavyrhun]

A few david haye stats over his last seven fights.

1) The average age of his opponent is 35 years 4 months and 16 days. This would be much higher if you remove enzo from the list as he was 27 at the time of the fight.

2) Haye takes an average of 205 days between fights.

3) As a Heavyweight he has scored 12 knockdowns in four fights.

Make up your own mind.

To take your points in order, from an unconvinced but hopeful Haye fan.

1) The average age of fighters in the top 25 heavies is 32, and in a division where age isn't as much of a barrier (see Evander getting jobbed against Valuev) 35 years isn't that old.

2) Would you rather see him take the Klitschko method beating up no-hopers once a quarter in front of big crowds in Germany. He could easily earn his pension in that way, but has said it's only big fights he wants.

3) 12 knockdowns in four fights? I'm not sure I see the negative in this. He's a power puncher, doesn't wear down fighters like the 2k's. Knockdowns are a good thing in my book.

All I'm going to say is let the negotiating teams hammer it out. Like Mayweather v Pacquiao, there's too much money there for the fights not to get made. Eventually, it will talk, and the fights will get made.

[ono]

Valuev and Seldon for me.

[Spicoli]

I gotta go either Valuev or one not mentioned...Buster Douglas.I mean at least all others gave themselves a chance to win in first defense and not go from physical phenom to gelatinous mess almost overnight.

Damiani was a WBO joke but could box like a fool and was schooling undefeated Ray Mercer,badly.Bruce seldon takes much flack after going school girl against Tyson but really...he had good hands,speed and a killer jab.His problem was a match stick chin and a chest full of purring kittens when it got tough.

[Nameless]

i dunno but ruiz was bad..

Ruiz will be pretty tough to move away from the #1 spot of worst HW of all time actually.

[JazMerkin]

i dunno but ruiz was bad..

Ruiz will be pretty tough to move away from the #1 spot of worst HW of all time actually.

Ruiz is nowhere near the worst HW of all time. He might not have been exciting, but he was a good fighter. Only Tua, Jones & Haye have ever clearly beat him. Compared to the likes of Primo Carnera, Lee Savold, Gerrie Coetzee & Bruce Seldon, I think Ruiz isn't too bad.

[Nameless]

i dunno but ruiz was bad..

Ruiz will be pretty tough to move away from the #1 spot of worst HW of all time actually.

Ruiz is nowhere near the worst HW of all time. He might not have been exciting, but he was a good fighter. Only Tua, Jones & Haye have ever clearly beat him. Compared to the likes of Primo Carnera, Lee Savold, Gerrie Coetzee & Bruce Seldon, I think Ruiz isn't too bad.

Carnera and Seldon were quite bad, probablyworst but the jab jab grab is giving me skin rashes but yeah, he was bad but not in the top 5 yet probably.

[El Kabong]

Let's take a close look at just who the guy has fought at heavyweight.....

Tomaz Bonin: 34 years old; 37(20 KO)-1; Just 3 short years earlier AUDLEY HARRISON TKO'd Bonin and aside from heavyweight door mat Garing Lane, Harrison is still the ONLY heavyweight I know of on his entire record....so that 37 wins looks more like "37 wins" because it looks like he never fought anyone and for good reason

Monte Barrett: 37 years old; 34 (20 KO)-6; They fought in 2008, Monte caught his "2nd wind of a prime" in 2003-2004 with wins over Domonick Guinn and Owen Beck (which meant something at the time) and a close loss to Joe Mesi prior to that in 1999 he lost a razor thin decision to Lance Whittaker (once again that USED to mean something) and in 2000 Wlad dropped him 5 times stopping him in 7....Barrett recovered to become a tomato can but he was "well done" before the fight vs Chicken Little...Odlainer Solis stopped him in 2 rounds right after "The Yellow One"

Nicolay Valuev: 36 years old; 50 (34 KO)-1; never really had a "prime" or "signature win" mainly just a whole lot of very close decisions. An ANCIENT Evander Holyfield got robbed vs the giant right before Chicken Little got to Valuev....so take from this win what you will, Valuev was another WBA strap holder that flat out refused to fight anyone worth a damn.

John Ruiz: 38 years old; 44 (30 KO)-8-1; was 6-4 with 1 no contest in his last 11 fights going into his fight vs Chicken Little.....his "prime" if he had one was from 2000-2001 where he Lost, Won, and Drew vs an old Evander Holyfield.

So basically what I'm saying is this dude calls out Wladimir Klitschko and Vitali Klitschko and he has yet to even fight a guy like Eddie Chambers or Cris Arreola....at least those dudes had the guts to fight the best of the best.

You can't talk all that shit and then fight those guys he fought and expect me as a fan to be in awe of his skill....he fought OLD fighters but I guess this time, unlike vs Carl Thompson he actually pulled out wins.

[sasquatch]

i dunno but ruiz was bad..

Ruiz will be pretty tough to move away from the #1 spot of worst HW of all time actually.

Ruiz is nowhere near the worst HW of all time. He might not have been exciting, but he was a good fighter. Only Tua, Jones & Haye have ever clearly beat him. Compared to the likes of Primo Carnera, Lee Savold, Gerrie Coetzee & Bruce Seldon, I think Ruiz isn't too bad.

Carnera and Seldon were quite bad, probablyworst but the jab jab grab is giving me skin rashes but yeah, he was bad but not in the top 5 yet probably.

On paper, Leon Spinks is unquestionably the worst HW champion of all time.