Haye one of worst heavyweight champs of all time?

[ono]

Valuev and Seldon for me.

[Spicoli]

I gotta go either Valuev or one not mentioned...Buster Douglas.I mean at least all others gave themselves a chance to win in first defense and not go from physical phenom to gelatinous mess almost overnight.

Damiani was a WBO joke but could box like a fool and was schooling undefeated Ray Mercer,badly.Bruce seldon takes much flack after going school girl against Tyson but really...he had good hands,speed and a killer jab.His problem was a match stick chin and a chest full of purring kittens when it got tough.

[Lefty]

Haye hasn't even finished his career yet. And has had what 4 HW fights ?

And I guess it must be an achievement in your eyes to go down as the worst HW champion of all time yet he must be one of the most exciting as well. Weird.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Haye hasn't even finished his career yet. And has had what 4 HW fights ?

And I guess it must be an achievement in your eyes to go down as the worst HW champion of all time yet he must be one of the most exciting as well. Weird.

Haye/Valuev will go down as one of the most boring HW fights of all time, and Haye/Ruiz barely got a buzz, so dunno how you can label him as one of the most exciting HW's

[CutMeMick]

Nowhere near that IMO.
He packs a punch, he's exciting and he still hasn't retired...

The worst for me are Sharkey which in turn leads you to Carnera.
There's also room for Nikolay, Rahman & Thomas.

[Gandalf]

After all the talk, he is definitely a huge let down. All he ever wanted was a belt and a few pay days to finish off his career. Building himself up the way he did and not following through harms his reputation immeasurably. He has been talking smack for 2 years. 2 years!!! You can pass your A levels in that time.

[El Kabong]

The problem with Chicken Little is that his talk doesn't match his actions...he talks Ali and walks Valuev and for the average fan of the sport it doesn't add up. We're (according to his own planned out future) more than 3/4ers through Chicken Little's career...is it a pretty record? Only 1 loss but I ask the age old questions "Who did he fight?" And "What did he prove?"

I also ask "What would Frank Bruno do?", if he was in the same situation. I think Bruno (regardless of what he thought his chances were) would fight both Klitschko's and take his whuppin like a man.

[El Kabong]

Wladimir gave the Diva EXACTLY what he wanted in a contract 50/50 with no rematch clauses or promotional ties or anything....and what did Wladimir get? A fight vs Alexander Povetkin, that's all anyone needs to understand about the situation. The Diva may be the biggest fight for Wlad but Wlad is 100% the absolute biggest fight for the Diva and Wlad has sold out 50K+ arenas to watch him fight Eddie Chambers so let's chill out with the whole Napoleon complex....ironic that the Brits would suffer from that

[Bigdog1981]

[QUOTE=superheavyrhun;891324]

A few david haye stats over his last seven fights.

1) The average age of his opponent is 35 years 4 months and 16 days. This would be much higher if you remove enzo from the list as he was 27 at the time of the fight.

2) Haye takes an average of 205 days between fights.

3) As a Heavyweight he has scored 12 knockdowns in four fights.

Make up your own mind.

To take your points in order, from an unconvinced but hopeful Haye fan.

1) The average age of fighters in the top 25 heavies is 32, and in a division where age isn't as much of a barrier (see Evander getting jobbed against Valuev) 35 years isn't that old.

2) Would you rather see him take the Klitschko method beating up no-hopers once a quarter in front of big crowds in Germany. He could easily earn his pension in that way, but has said it's only big fights he wants.

3) 12 knockdowns in four fights? I'm not sure I see the negative in this. He's a power puncher, doesn't wear down fighters like the 2k's. Knockdowns are a good thing in my book.

All I'm going to say is let the negotiating teams hammer it out. Like Mayweather v Pacquiao, there's too much money there for the fights not to get made. Eventually, it will talk, and the fights will get made.[/QUOTE




i Wasnt taking sides just stating the facts! Haye fights the older guys, takes a log time doing it, but knocks them down.

If haye wanted more respect he could have easily got it by earning it against the like of adamek or povetkin, both would make great fights then brothers klit would have no choice but at a fight. But instead his mouth is a year well before his head and povetkin is in there first and id put money on adamek beating him to the the klits too. hayes opponet list with out the above four? tua, chambers, arreola. And who says the heavys is dead.

[landmine950]

Well of course he's a garbage heavyweight.....What did you expect.......He's English!

[LBSCFC]

not a chance. i think he suffers because of lack of depth in the division. hes beaten valuev who I might add was tipped to beat Haye. He breaks down Ruiz in his first defence. say that you want about Ruiz but apart from Tua no-one stops him.

Hes suffering at the moment because of the Klitschko fights falling through. too early to even consider Haye for this dubious accolade

[Drago]

not a chance. i think he suffers because of lack of depth in the division. hes beaten valuev who I might add was tipped to beat Haye. He breaks down Ruiz in his first defence. say that you want about Ruiz but apart from Tua no-one stops him.

Hes suffering at the moment because of the Klitschko fights falling through. too early to even consider Haye for this dubious accolade

haye only has himself to blame for the klitscho fights fallin thru! he needs to take the smaller percentage (cos he is soooo confident he will win) then he can fight the other brother for a 50/50 split then if he gets thru them fights alive & with all the titles he will become one of the best heavy since lewis!" simples