Extending Arms - Shadow Boxing

[badr_hari]

This is the key to throwing a right hand and staying in good balance student keeping majority of the weight on the back leg and the front foot on the ball ready to explode off to return quickly back to on guard position after extending the right hand, if the left foots not up on the ball theres gonna be a lot of problems, as scrap refers to it as leaving on the biomechanical brake (the heel) which will result in a slow/lazy right hand, also like you said if you transfer to the front leg/plant the left heel your prone to being off balance or maybe not so much off balance just having too much weight distributed to the front leg which will slow down any evasive movement you may need if the right hand is being countered or a new angle has being established. basically you lose the ability to drive from the back foot as good and will also mess up the rotation of the pelvis towards the end of the shot which will result in an arm punch .

sorry, but what you said is EXACTLY The Key for throwing an ARM PUNCH.

for a Powerful Right Hand (with the whole body-weight behind it) you should: Pivot with a right foot and with that automatically you transfer the weight from back to front (you can't Pivot with the back leg, stay up on the ball of the feet and still have the weight here), in the same time you make a TINY STEP-in to the left, which is the key to everything: Gives Great Balance, Maximum Power and your head will be in a position almost impossibly to counter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C6xE...eature=related

at 5:28 in this video, you see that very Tiny step with the left foot and the PIVOT with the right

[Scrap]

The front Heel shouldnt be involved in the manouver, the front Heel is the Biomechanical Break. The Balance of the manouver are the Knees The Heel locks the Adductors stopping the Abductors from working . Thats what causes leaning with the shots, and loss of oral stability and balance. Usually caused with the feet being to wide, and compensating, making the shoulders tighten and slowing down speed of delivery.

[The Student]

So hold on guys, let me get this straight.. and please correct me if I' wrong.


From my understanding of it.. The heel of your back leg (or your right for orthodox boxers) should never ever touch the ground. You should always be on the balls correct?

Now, in order to throw an effective straight shot, your front (or your left) heel should never touch the ground either.. meaning that a proper boxing stance would require you to always be on the balls of your feet and never let your heels touch the ground?

If thats the case, that's one of the things I need to work on, my left heel seems to be on the ground, often.

Thanks for all the hep so far guys!

[badr_hari]

So hold on guys, let me get this straight.. and please correct me if I' wrong.


From my understanding of it.. The heel of your back leg (or your right for orthodox boxers) should never ever touch the ground. You should always be on the balls correct?

ABSOLUTELY, When throwing a right hand, your back foot pivots and automatically you are on the ball of your feet. Watch every great proffessional boxer from any era throwing a right hand, The heel of their back leg NEVER TOUCHES THE GROUND


Now, in order to throw an effective straight shot, your front (or your left) heel should never touch the ground either.. meaning that a proper boxing stance would require you to always be on the balls of your feet and never let your heels touch the ground?

I am not sure about this one, a PROPER right hand should be thrown that way definitely with the left leg on the balls of your feet, but i have seen great champions knocking people out with thair left heel on the ground

If thats the case, that's one of the things I need to work on, my left heel seems to be on the ground, often.

TRY TO DO A TINY STEP-in to the left (WITH THE LEFT LEG) a little bit when you throw a Right Cross. You will never be OFF-BALANCED, you will generate maximum power and your head won't be a target for a counter-punch

Thanks for all the hep so far guys

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[cambay411]

Badri hari When you say step in, do you mean step in to your opponent or the inside of your body? I assume in to your opponent has in angles? If yes then i agree this step in would be proper technique, it is one of the many angles that any fighter should learn and come to love. They are simple but to use them effectively takes alot of practice. And yes i pretty much stay on the balls of my feet the whole time.


Here is exactly how i throw my straight right.

[Scrap]

Obviously, its not all the time, out off distance, or up close things change. Plus its tiring to maintain. But if when defending or attacking it applies.Reason being thetensor fasciae latae, when the knee is bent and the Heel is raised it activates qiucker response from it. Its this the TFL that the abductors work off and get the message to react with speed and power.

[cambay411]

Also as far as shift in wieght, there will be small shifts in wieght through the whole match but no matter where your wieght is you should be able to stay balanced. Your balance comes with proper stance. If i step in with that striaght right and have a small amount of more wieght on that front foot, i still have enough balance to throw a left uppercut, then right hook and make a quick evasive exscape.

[WayneFlint]

This is the key to throwing a right hand and staying in good balance student keeping majority of the weight on the back leg and the front foot on the ball ready to explode off to return quickly back to on guard position after extending the right hand, if the left foots not up on the ball theres gonna be a lot of problems, as scrap refers to it as leaving on the biomechanical brake (the heel) which will result in a slow/lazy right hand, also like you said if you transfer to the front leg/plant the left heel your prone to being off balance or maybe not so much off balance just having too much weight distributed to the front leg which will slow down any evasive movement you may need if the right hand is being countered or a new angle has being established. basically you lose the ability to drive from the back foot as good and will also mess up the rotation of the pelvis towards the end of the shot which will result in an arm punch .

sorry, but what you said is EXACTLY The Key for throwing an ARM PUNCH.

for a Powerful Right Hand (with the whole body-weight behind it) you should: Pivot with a right foot and with that automatically you transfer the weight from back to front (you can't Pivot with the back leg, stay up on the ball of the feet and still have the weight here), in the same time you make a TINY STEP-in to the left, which is the key to everything: Gives Great Balance, Maximum Power and your head will be in a position almost impossibly to counter.



at 5:28 in this video, you see that very Tiny step with the left foot and the PIVOT with the right

Wrong, that is how YOU would throw an arm punch, i was simply explaining parts of the punch however i didnt mention 1 major trigger which i assumed even the most novice of boxers would know about (sorry about that) adds an explosive trigger for the right hand and which will also put the bones/joints of your arm/upper body in a position upon impact that will ensure your bones bear the kickback of the impact rather than the muscles, minimising risk of losing power from the elbow, wrist or shoulder jonts. if you know anything about throwing a punch you will be able to tell me what this trigger is that i missed out.. if not?.. hmm.

Im sorry if you think this impossible but i assure you i can pivot on my back foot while keeping almost all my weight on there and this is the way a fast, powerful right hand is thrown, but yes your probably right what seperates the best of the best quality right hands is that little step you keep talking about that hardly any boxers can master because its so technicel (darn that little step its so hard to master...), not the fact that some fighters have the co ordination and balance to do things you cant, so simply percieve as being impossible for others aswell/wrong.

Oh yes and your so right no one can possibly counter you with that little step its amazing i cant believe i never thought of it myself... im pretty sure if you tried that on me or anyone else thats been boxing 4 month youd be in trouble, id load up a right uppercut on you that your grandkids would feel and you would turn square into it, or id simply slip to my left and come back with a left hand you would never see because of this great angle youve just made. trying to make an angle as wreckless as that would get you killed in the ring with a good fighter.

[WayneFlint]

Oh yeh and to pick a right hand out of a video like that means nothing, i havent wasted my time watching it but i can assure you hes not simply using that step as an angle and that some conciderable amount of setting up has probably gone into walking his opponent into that punch/angle, a good boxer is thinking a few moves deep, its just not as simple as your implying, i wish it was... lol

[cambay411]

So Wayne are you for the step or totally against the step? lol

[cambay411]

Also i agree nothing is impossibe to counter thats why if you use that angle you have to keep your hands up and make sure to maintain good balance. No matter what you throw something is going to open up.

[HerbM]

So Wayne are you for the step or totally against the step? lol

There is a major difference between "taking a step" and "transferring weight to your front foot" -- you can do either separately or both together.

I am pretty sure that several of us, me for sure, are cautioning against the weight transfer forward. (Some may also be against any step,with or without weight.)

Even in the Dempsey 'falling step' he is NOT suggesting that you throw your weight onto the front foot. I actually find that more of my weight ends up on the BACK FOOT when doing this:

My front foot steps, or comes off the ground a little, or merely bends at the knee to REMOVE weight from it as (or just before really) the FIST STRIKES -- some of that front foot weight goes to the FIST (i.e., your opponents head or body) and the rest MUST go to your back foot --- unless you jump it must go somewhere.

The idea is to get a good part of it into the fist and thus into the opponent -- for a moment you are partly supported by HAND (and opponent's head) and REAR FOOT.

I believe -- and practice this way, you do not want ALL of the original weight from the front foot on the HAND since then you are in danger of truly falling through if you miss the target or he slips.

Generally, if I start with 60-40 rear-to-front weight distribution, I am trying for (about) 80-20 read to hand distribution for about 1/2 second, then that front foot is firmly back on the floor taking the weight again.

So, if my weight is (about) 200 lbs and I put 20% (or even 10) of it into that punch along with the force already in that punch the opponent's head is going to feel the effects of 20-40 lbs* MORE than the punch alone. Not bad if we can do it.

Dempsey even spends a lot of effort and words explaining that when you FIRST start practicing the falling step and "Left JOLT" on the bag people will come up to you and tell you that is all wrong because they will see you FALLING FORWARD, or otherwise shifting your weight onto that front foot -- even if you don't do that at first many people will assume that is what you are doing and most good boxers know this (shifting weight forward) is wrong according to canonical boxing theory.

After you perfect the "falling step" (according to Dempsey and my limited experience with it) you can do it so that no one even sees the weight come OFF the front foot and so that you can take either a big step or no step depending on where you (next) want to be.

* For the physicists among us: Technically, just having 30 lbs on your hand is meaningless and without effect UNLESS it stays there for some (however brief period of) time.

You need the time for GRAVITY to work to ACCELERATE that hand into the opponent for him to suffer the effects of the transfer. But that time can be really short, just the time you are ALMOST in contact with the opponent until just as you withdraw.

This is likely about 1/2 second max but I am guessing and have not tried to measure it beyond noticing it while hitting the bag.

We could do the math (or someone could do the math anyway ) and figure out how much kinetic energy is produced by 30 lbs accelerated by the Earth for 1/2 second. Then we would likely want to do more math and convert that to IMPULSE to get an idea of the extra impact delivered.

But hey, if his head snaps back like a rag doll from a "jab" that's close enough for me.

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HerbM

[jameso'hara]

Out of all the information offered within this topic I would like to pick out Fran's assertion that the right cross is not the ace in the pack most fighters think it to be.

Hooks are very often much more effective. This is very true.

[WayneFlint]

So Wayne are you for the step or totally against the step? lol

I would say it depends what situation you apply the step too and how the step is taken. but generally if your trying to take a step while simultaneousely throwing the right hand then you are going to end up leaving the back foot out of range sometimes by not completing the step with your bac foot before throwing the right, which will result in a weak out of range right hand while if your opponents footing is good then your going to be in range to recieve perhaps damaging attacks but not throw any real damaging ones in return (this isnt good). taking the back foot with you before you throw the right is going to put you in range to land a damaging right hand aswell as recieve one, which is obveousely the desired scenario.

Aswell this will allow greater mobility and economy of energy, as you wont have ended up dropping down into a wider stance which can be draining to be continuousely having to get back out of the hole your putting youself in, in a hurry.

[cambay411]

Very well said, it just seems to me the small step on this punch has to do more with angles than a punching technique and needs set up in order to work your way inside. Wayne, you were talking about placement of the back foot on the straight, if you were trying to throw that straight right to the body would you leave that back foot there?