Miguel Cotto has turned down Andre Berto

[TitoFan]

seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable

Yet when it's rumoured that Khan will be fighting a weak opponent for pretty much the same reason you flag him up on it

Cotto fans are much quieter version of Pac fans or Mayweather fans who believe he does no wrong either.

Sweeping generalities like this are what make you lose the little credibility you had to begin with.

It was a joke lighten up. Besides who am I trying to be credible to you?

I noticed you didn't rate yourself in the other thread.
Afraid, huh...

[Onix]

seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable

Yet when it's rumoured that Khan will be fighting a weak opponent for pretty much the same reason you flag him up on it

Cotto fans are much quieter version of Pac fans or Mayweather fans who believe he does no wrong either.

Sweeping generalities like this are what make you lose the little credibility you had to begin with.

It was a joke lighten up. Besides who am I trying to be credible to you?

I noticed you didn't rate yourself in the other thread.
Afraid, huh...

Haha see you can joke around so why cant I. Between You, Diane, and El Terrible you guys are are pretty die hard Cotto fans, so a small poke at being your own mini cult is a nohting but a light jab to your boxing prowess .

And in good faith i figured out what I feel would be my honest assessment of the type of fan I am:

88% Objective
10% Nationalistic
1% Young Fan
1% Hater

I'll let you decide at where my 1% hater is and where my 10% nationalistic is also. I'm a bigger Cotto fan that you think I just have been very vocal when I felt he was gonna lose and its only been twice. At the same time after everything came out with Margarito my sig changed and my avatar pic so I think that speaks to my high objective rating of myself.

Either way its always fun to get into a good debate with good knowledgeable posters.

[TitoFan]

seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable

Yet when it's rumoured that Khan will be fighting a weak opponent for pretty much the same reason you flag him up on it

Cotto fans are much quieter version of Pac fans or Mayweather fans who believe he does no wrong either.

Sweeping generalities like this are what make you lose the little credibility you had to begin with.

It was a joke lighten up. Besides who am I trying to be credible to you?

I noticed you didn't rate yourself in the other thread.
Afraid, huh...

Haha see you can joke around so why cant I. Between You, Diane, and El Terrible you guys are are pretty die hard Cotto fans, so a small poke at being your own mini cult is a nohting but a light jab to your boxing prowess .

And in good faith i figured out what I feel would be my honest assessment of the type of fan I am:

88% Objective
10% Nationalistic
1% Young Fan
1% Hater

I'll let you decide at where my 1% hater is and where my 10% nationalistic is also. I'm a bigger Cotto fan that you think I just have been very vocal when I felt he was gonna lose and its only been twice. At the same time after everything came out with Margarito my sig changed and my avatar pic so I think that speaks to my high objective rating of myself.

Either way its always fun to get into a good debate with good knowledgeable posters.

Kudos for rating yourself, although I'd place you a bit higher in the "Nationalistic" category. (Hell, if I consider myself a 25%, you've got to be at least that high).



You call me, Diane and El Terrible a "Cotto mini-cult". While it may sound funny and amuzing, it fails to take into account some very evident truths. I have repeatedly not only admitted to some of Cotto's faults, I've also criticized some of his critical decisions, like taking Joe Santiago into his corner before the Pacquiao fight. And whereas I'm a HUGE Barrera and "Finito" Lopez fan, I also criticize some very well known PR fighters, such as Camacho and Daniel Santos. On the other hand, you and a couple of other posters on the board seem bent on praising every Mexican fighter that comes along.... while your praise, if any, for any Puerto Rican fighter is very rare and very sparse.

[Onix]

seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable

Yet when it's rumoured that Khan will be fighting a weak opponent for pretty much the same reason you flag him up on it

Cotto fans are much quieter version of Pac fans or Mayweather fans who believe he does no wrong either.

Sweeping generalities like this are what make you lose the little credibility you had to begin with.

It was a joke lighten up. Besides who am I trying to be credible to you?

I noticed you didn't rate yourself in the other thread.
Afraid, huh...

Haha see you can joke around so why cant I. Between You, Diane, and El Terrible you guys are are pretty die hard Cotto fans, so a small poke at being your own mini cult is a nohting but a light jab to your boxing prowess .

And in good faith i figured out what I feel would be my honest assessment of the type of fan I am:

88% Objective
10% Nationalistic
1% Young Fan
1% Hater

I'll let you decide at where my 1% hater is and where my 10% nationalistic is also. I'm a bigger Cotto fan that you think I just have been very vocal when I felt he was gonna lose and its only been twice. At the same time after everything came out with Margarito my sig changed and my avatar pic so I think that speaks to my high objective rating of myself.

Either way its always fun to get into a good debate with good knowledgeable posters.

Kudos for rating yourself, although I'd place you a bit higher in the "Nationalistic" category. (Hell, if I consider myself a 25%, you've got to be at least that high).



You call me, Diane and El Terrible a "Cotto mini-cult". While it may sound funny and amuzing, it fails to take into account some very evident truths. I have repeatedly not only admitted to some of Cotto's faults, I've also criticized some of his critical decisions, like taking Joe Santiago into his corner before the Pacquiao fight. And whereas I'm a HUGE Barrera and "Finito" Lopez fan, I also criticize some very well known PR fighters, such as Camacho and Daniel Santos. On the other hand, you and a couple of other posters on the board seem bent on praising every Mexican fighter that comes along.... while your praise, if any, for any Puerto Rican fighter is very rare and very sparse.

Thats why I wouldnt put you any lower than me on the nationalistic side. I think if a fighter is from you country then it will get you to notice him quicker but after that it doesnt keep you ignorant to his weaknesses thats what makes you objective, even if you continue to watch and support him it doesnt mean you are blind.

Again Ive posted several times about Margo and how I lost complete respect for him after the hand wrap incident and im not ignorant to his cheating ass ways and yes it takes away the sweetness of the Cotto victory.

Im a f'in Floyd fan for Gods sake if that doesnt make me objective I dont know what else would.

[TitoFan]

seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable

Yet when it's rumoured that Khan will be fighting a weak opponent for pretty much the same reason you flag him up on it

Cotto fans are much quieter version of Pac fans or Mayweather fans who believe he does no wrong either.

Sweeping generalities like this are what make you lose the little credibility you had to begin with.

It was a joke lighten up. Besides who am I trying to be credible to you?

I noticed you didn't rate yourself in the other thread.
Afraid, huh...

Haha see you can joke around so why cant I. Between You, Diane, and El Terrible you guys are are pretty die hard Cotto fans, so a small poke at being your own mini cult is a nohting but a light jab to your boxing prowess .

And in good faith i figured out what I feel would be my honest assessment of the type of fan I am:

88% Objective
10% Nationalistic
1% Young Fan
1% Hater

I'll let you decide at where my 1% hater is and where my 10% nationalistic is also. I'm a bigger Cotto fan that you think I just have been very vocal when I felt he was gonna lose and its only been twice. At the same time after everything came out with Margarito my sig changed and my avatar pic so I think that speaks to my high objective rating of myself.

Either way its always fun to get into a good debate with good knowledgeable posters.

Kudos for rating yourself, although I'd place you a bit higher in the "Nationalistic" category. (Hell, if I consider myself a 25%, you've got to be at least that high).



You call me, Diane and El Terrible a "Cotto mini-cult". While it may sound funny and amuzing, it fails to take into account some very evident truths. I have repeatedly not only admitted to some of Cotto's faults, I've also criticized some of his critical decisions, like taking Joe Santiago into his corner before the Pacquiao fight. And whereas I'm a HUGE Barrera and "Finito" Lopez fan, I also criticize some very well known PR fighters, such as Camacho and Daniel Santos. On the other hand, you and a couple of other posters on the board seem bent on praising every Mexican fighter that comes along.... while your praise, if any, for any Puerto Rican fighter is very rare and very sparse.

Thats why I wouldnt put you any lower than me on the nationalistic side. I think if a fighter is from you country then it will get you to notice him quicker but after that it doesnt keep you ignorant to his weaknesses thats what makes you objective, even if you continue to watch and support him it doesnt mean you are blind.

Again Ive posted several times about Margo and how I lost complete respect for him after the hand wrap incident and im not ignorant to his cheating ass ways and yes it takes away the sweetness of the Cotto victory.

Im a f'in Floyd fan for Gods sake if that doesnt make me objective I dont know what else would.

My goodness... I must've caught you on a good day.

[LukeH]

seems like Cotto just wants to get a couple more rounds in with Steward in his corner basically to adjust a bit more, which IMO is completely understandable

Yet when it's rumoured that Khan will be fighting a weak opponent for pretty much the same reason you flag him up on it

difference is Cotto is already on the slide of his career, and has titles in 3 divisions, including wins over Pinto, Corley, Malignaggi, Bailey, Torres, Quintana, Judah, Mosley, Clottey, and Foreman

what the hell has Khan done to be able to take it so easy? beat up a shot Barrera (and technically shouldn't even be a win), an overrated Kotelnik, knock out a bum, then finally dominate a feather fisted Malignaggi who also is coming to the end of his career

when Cotto was where Khan is at in this point of his career he took on all comers and fought hard hitting fighters even after being dubbed as "chinny" (after the Corley fight)

also add in that Khan has been with Roach for over a year, and has had 4 fights with him in his corner

that's the big difference

We've been through this. Malignaggi was coming off the two best performances of his life.

Besides Khan is very young and was ko'd badly not so long ago. Every bit just as justified for Khan to take on the same comparative level of opponent as Cotto. Cotto does one every year anyway....Urkal, Gomez, Jennings, Foreman and now this....

I'm not knocking him for it, i just don't see why you knock Khan for it. Well i do, but it's unreasonable imo.

Come on man, Since getting the Margarito fight Cotto had a gimme with Jennings, then fought Clottey, then Pac then moved up to fight Foreman.

Im not some kind of boxing guru but surely Foreman is harder fight than Kotelnik and Salita? Malignaggi was a decent fight, there was a number of people who thought he would win, much as there were people who thought Foreman would beat Cotto.

In the end of the day, yes they are at two different points in their respective careers, but Khan does talk about how he could beat such and such and wants to fight such and such, for whatever reason he hasn't got in the ring with these people yet. I think the fact that he wants to fight the winner of Marquez vs Diaz (marquez) is abit sad.

He's a Olympic medalist who now has a world title, much the same as Berto has, he's going to be called out on not fighting 'worthy opponents'. One fight against malignaggi doesn't deserve an easy fight.

I've never seen the person Cotto is supposed to be fighting to comment on him.

[generalbulldog]

That's just wrong man, comparing Cotto to Khan. Really wrong I must say.

Cotto had a few gimmes, but Cotto has proven himself many times over, and no one can say Cotto ducks so and so.

Khan is no where near Cotto's level of accomplishment. Major difference.

[ICB]

I personally think Andre Berto would beat Miguel Cotto, and i've said that for awhile. Andre Berto as a good uppercut which is Miguel Cotto's weakness. He is faster, more fresher, and his jab is equally as good as Miguel Cotto's jab.

I don't know why Andre Berto gets so much hate, yes he's not technically perfect. But neither was fighters like Meldrick Taylor, who is very much like Andre Berto. But Meldrick Taylor was still special in his own right.

And i think Andre Berto will shock alot of people, i think he beats everyone at Welterweight except obviously the two best P4P fighters.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I personally think Andre Berto would beat Miguel Cotto, and i've said that for awhile. Andre Berto as a good uppercut which is Miguel Cotto's weakness. He is faster, more fresher, and his jab is equally as good as Miguel Cotto's jab.

I don't know why Andre Berto gets so much hate, yes he's not technically perfect. But neither was fighters like Meldrick Taylor, who is very much like Andre Berto. But Meldrick Taylor was still special in his own right.

And i think Andre Berto will shock alot of people, i think he beats everyone at Welterweight except obviously the two best P4P fighters.

no hate from here, he just hasn't really done anything to back that claim up, as for fresher i don't really see it, he gets gassed pretty damn easy as seen in several fights, and doesn't really know how to follow a set gameplan, and it's not cause he adapts in there, the only guys who have had success with the uppercut against Cotto have been Pacquiao and Judah, both were southpaws, IMO Berto is good no doubt, but he's not as good as most think and a lot of that has to do with how protected he's been

[Pavlik]

Miguel is probably seeking a more lucrative fight against who I don't know, because this fight should be good for him and very winnable IMO. Berto's scalp in Cotto's resume will be great, he should've taken it.

[Master]

I am a fan of cotto and the fight with berto seems dangerous, another couple of confidence building fights then berto.

[dl7481]

Cotto is done

[Pavlik]

Miguel Cotto's stoppage over Foreman was great IMO considering he was also outboxing Yuri for the entirity of the fight. Miguel is not indestructible, he cuts, gets hurt and IMHO this is a big part of his charisma for overcoming these adversities HE HAS A HEART OF A LION. Cotto is far from done.