Lyle's, Pick'em Hypothetical Fights

[El Kabong]

100% agreed, I think Ruddock-Holyfield would have been a nightmare of a fight!

[El Kabong]

I want to bump this thread because I thought of a couple other fights that belong in this thread.

Tommy Morrison-Shannon Briggs: 2 big time power punchers, decent boxers, but with dodgy chins and questionable stamina. A couple of questions would be answered #1 Who could take more punishment? #2 Who would land first/hardest?

Floyd Patterson-Bob Foster: (175 or heavyweight) A power punching pressure fighter vs a boxer/puncher with HUGE power. Bob had the height and the reach on Floyd, but Floyd was defensively sound and fought on the inside. This matchup reminds me of Tyson-Lewis.

[Spicoli]

I gotta tell ya,personally I think Briggs was one of the most manufactured heavyweights in quite some time. The man is a physical specimen but save for a last second brick vs Serguei,literally,and a absolute blind mans call vs the shadow of the shadow of Foreman...can I name one single viable and fresh guy he beat? Mmm drew with Botha,in a pretty good mash up granted. Maybe a Jorge valdes

I think Morrison spanks him. Tommy sat on his wallet occasionally and gassed at times but he went balls out at compared.And I think his left hook could have badly hurt many a solid heavy past and present.He was faster and knew combinations with movement compared to a rigid and often one and done Briggs.

[Master]

I want to bump this thread because I thought of a couple other fights that belong in this thread.

Tommy Morrison-Shannon Briggs: 2 big time power punchers, decent boxers, but with dodgy chins and questionable stamina. A couple of questions would be answered #1 Who could take more punishment? #2 Who would land first/hardest?

Floyd Patterson-Bob Foster: (175 or heavyweight) A power punching pressure fighter vs a boxer/puncher with HUGE power. Bob had the height and the reach on Floyd, but Floyd was defensively sound and fought on the inside. This matchup reminds me of Tyson-Lewis.

Agreed with Spicoli Tommy beats Briggs.

Was Patterson a light heavy?, if it was a cruiser then Patterson at light heavy Foster

[ICB]

I want to bump this thread because I thought of a couple other fights that belong in this thread.

Tommy Morrison-Shannon Briggs: 2 big time power punchers, decent boxers, but with dodgy chins and questionable stamina. A couple of questions would be answered #1 Who could take more punishment? #2 Who would land first/hardest?

Floyd Patterson-Bob Foster: (175 or heavyweight) A power punching pressure fighter vs a boxer/puncher with HUGE power. Bob had the height and the reach on Floyd, but Floyd was defensively sound and fought on the inside. This matchup reminds me of Tyson-Lewis.

Agreed with Spicoli Tommy beats Briggs.

Was Patterson a light heavy?, if it was a cruiser then Patterson at light heavy Foster

I think i remember reading Floyd Patterson fighting Joey Maxim at Light Heavyweight.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Bloody Hell Lyle, you have put up some great choices there.

TBH I mostly agree with ICB so that saves me having to think independently but I have to say great shout on Norton V Holyfield... It's like I just assumed that Holyfield is a lot better than Norton but actually they're VERY evenly matched. I think it could go either way..?



Anyway, I have to join in here and add just one of my all-time favourite pick-em fights:



Larry Holmes-George Foreman 1978-82: Unfortunately Foreman retired in '77 just as Larry Holmes was ascending to Champion status and despite a few attempts to make a fight happen during Foreman's comeback in the 90's, it never happened. Holmes was a great boxer, Foreman was a great puncher and both were physically evenly matched.

[ICB]

Bloody Hell Lyle, you have put up some great choices there.

TBH I mostly agree with ICB so that saves me having to think independently but I have to say great shout on Norton V Holyfield... It's like I just assumed that Holyfield is a lot better than Norton but actually they're VERY evenly matched. I think it could go either way..?



Anyway, I have to join in here and add just one of my all-time favourite pick-em fights:



Larry Holmes-George Foreman 1978-82: Unfortunately Foreman retired in '77 just as Larry Holmes was ascending to Champion status and despite a few attempts to make a fight happen during Foreman's comeback in the 90's, it never happened. Holmes was a great boxer, Foreman was a great puncher and both were physically evenly matched.

I think Larry Holmes beats George Foreman, George Foreman could be outboxed aka Jimmy Young. Gregoria Peralta also gave George Foreman fits early in his career, i believe Larry Holmes more sharper/straighter shots would be the deciding factor.

Plus i'd be even more confident in my pick if they fought in 1978, when Larry Holmes was in his peak. And George Foreman was mentally effected after the Muhammad Ali loss, going life and death with Ron Lyle then getting outboxed by Jimmy Young as i said earlier.

[Master]

Holmes would beat Foreman.

[El Kabong]

Holmes would beat Foreman.

At that point in time, but in his comeback Foreman would have shelled Holmes.

[ICB]

Holmes would beat Foreman.

At that point in time, but in his comeback Foreman would have shelled Holmes.

But even that George Foreman could be outboxed Lyle, aka Morrison, Holyfield, Moorer. And Larry Holmes in his early 40's was probably better than the late 30's Larry Holmes who went life and death with Carl Williams, Michael Spinks.

I think people sometimes forget how good Larry Holmes was in his 40's, i mean he totally outboxed a prime Ray Mercer, won 5 rounds against a prime Evander Holyfield. And lost a razor thin decision to Oliver McCall which i think he won, then he also would of been the oldest Heavyweight champion at 45 like George Foreman.

[El Kabong]

I know Holmes was really a top notch boxer, I just think with age George Foreman learned to box a lot better as well, he still threw punches with great power, but he had a better jab and a great right cross, his defense had also improved. I just think at that point in time Holmes could be over powered. Prime for Prime I don't think there are many fighters George Foreman loses to but Larry Holmes is one I'm on the fence for.

[Master]

I know Holmes was really a top notch boxer, I just think with age George Foreman learned to box a lot better as well, he still threw punches with great power, but he had a better jab and a great right cross, his defense had also improved. I just think at that point in time Holmes could be over powered. Prime for Prime I don't think there are many fighters George Foreman loses to but Larry Holmes is one I'm on the fence for.

Yes George was a better boxer but Holmes would have taken the shots and pride a lone would make him not lose to George. I think that fight was going to go a head at one time. Shame it did not.

[El Kabong]

An interesting matchup (don't know why it just seems like it to me at the time) Michael Dokes-Andrew Golota. I guess I figure its 1talented yet flawed fighter vs a better yet mentally flawed fighter.

[ICB]

An interesting matchup (don't know why it just seems like it to me at the time) Michael Dokes-Andrew Golota. I guess I figure its 1talented yet flawed fighter vs a better yet mentally flawed fighter.

Michael Dokes had quick hands and showed flashes, how good he could be. But just like the rest of the 80's Heavyweights he shitted it all away on drugs, all though he comeback from that and gave a prime Evander Holyfield all he could handle.

But i think Michael Dokes would be controlled behind the jab. Similar to how he was vs Gerrie Coetzee, and probably be stopped late on.

[milmascaras1]

i think roberto duran would have ko'd alexis arguello in the later rounds. for one, he was much stronger, craftier and an overall better boxer than arguello, who was one of my very first favorite boxers when i was a teenager.

julio cesar chavez would have done the same to salvador sanchez. sanchez i believe was the over better boxer but chavez would have punished his body and worn him out. sometimes chavez doesn't get enough credit for his defense and overall boxing skills. the guy could put incredible combinations together. sanchez would have made it a nice close fight until the later rounds. chavez by ud.

in his prime, riddick bowe would have ko'd, i believe, an overrated mike tyson. the riddick bowe that beat evander holyfield would have ko'd tyson in the later rounds. too big, too strong and better fighter.

finally, thomas hearns beats shane mosley at 147 by ud. hearns was just too big and too powerful at that weight. i believe as a welterweight in his time, the only welter that could and did beat hearns was sugar ray leonard. mosley puts up a spirited fight but hearns outpoints him to win a close decision. maybe 115-113 or 116-112.