The Great Marco Antonio Barrera - when was his prime?

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The Barrera from 1994-2000 beats the Barrera from 2000 and upwards. Barrera defense was only slightly better than before. He still took a ton of punches. And that happen cuz he had to compensate for his declining offense. Look at the the Mckinney and 2nd Jones fight (which he should of won). Look at the pace he set and the way he attacked. He couldn't go at that pace for a whole fight any more after the first Morales fight. Why? He was older. The wars had token some toll on him. He no longer was in his prime. It's really not that hard to understand. The reason why some don't get it is pretty obvious. They have no idea who Barrera was pre-Naseem Hamed. So they can't entertain the thought of him being prime prior to Hamed cuz they never knew he existed back than. Understandable, I guess.

So Barrera was a better fighter when he was getting himself knocked the fuck out because he was more intense/reckless?

Barrera basically reinvented himself as a "counter-puncher." He was still intense but no longer as reckless. It was through this period his "greatness" was recognised.

Ask people to name his best ever wins. I bet McKinney is the only one mentioned prior to 2000.

So him being called the next great Mexican fighter and expected to take Julio Caesar Chavez place as the best current Mexican fighter was all due to him being mediocre, right? Come on now. The only reason you say Barrera's greatness was recognized during the period you refer to was cuz that's when you first became aware he even existed. But in reality Barrera was already recognized as a great fighter. The man went into the Hamed fight having already fought 55 times. Yet you think he was still prime. The embarrassment of Hamed has really scarred you. Let it go and accept it. Hamed got schooled by the only ATG he ever faced. A past his prime, smaller (Barrera had to move up in weight) fighter in Marco Antonio Barrera. Fact.

Yeh, but hardly broke a sweat in his first 30 or so fights, which were all against road sweepers

The man turned pro at 15 years old. He was still a boy. What was Hamed excuse for facing all the ferries operators he fought?

I'm not going to argue that Hamed was in Barrera's league, because he wasn't and I never thought he was. And this is a different argument altogether, BUT, it's fair to say that Hamed's first 30 opponents were hugely better than MAB's first 30

I'll give him Hamed that.

The Barrera from 1994-2000 beats the Barrera from 2000 and upwards. Barrera defense was only slightly better than before. He still took a ton of punches. And that happen cuz he had to compensate for his declining offense. Look at the the Mckinney and 2nd Jones fight (which he should of won). Look at the pace he set and the way he attacked. He couldn't go at that pace for a whole fight any more after the first Morales fight. Why? He was older. The wars had token some toll on him. He no longer was in his prime. It's really not that hard to understand. The reason why some don't get it is pretty obvious. They have no idea who Barrera was pre-Naseem Hamed. So they can't entertain the thought of him being prime prior to Hamed cuz they never knew he existed back than. Understandable, I guess.

So Barrera was a better fighter when he was getting himself knocked the fuck out because he was more intense/reckless?

Barrera basically reinvented himself as a "counter-puncher." He was still intense but no longer as reckless. It was through this period his "greatness" was recognised.

Ask people to name his best ever wins. I bet McKinney is the only one mentioned prior to 2000.

So him being called the next great Mexican fighter and expected to take Julio Caesar Chavez place as the best current Mexican fighter was all due to him being mediocre, right? Come on now. The only reason you say Barrera's greatness was recognized during the period you refer to was cuz that's when you first became aware he even existed. But in reality Barrera was already recognized as a great fighter. The man went into the Hamed fight having already fought 55 times. Yet you think he was still prime. The embarrassment of Hamed has really scarred you. Let it go and accept it. Hamed got schooled by the only ATG he ever faced. A past his prime, smaller (Barrera had to move up in weight) fighter in Marco Antonio Barrera. Fact.

Poor VD - how utterly foolish. Will he ever recover from the horrendous one-sided beating he received in the Naz-Marquez thread.

This is about Barrera not Naz.

I was excited about Barrera before I even saw him fight. Before the McKinney fight. I bought into the "new Chavez" hype. I was gutted watching Jones spank him. I followed him through his comeback when he signed for Frank Warren. I watched him viciously smash Paul Lloyds ribs, cheekbone and cut him to shreds in one round. I cheered for him against Morales. I cheered for him against Naz.

Barrera's "new Chavez" tag was nothing but greatly exaggerated hype spouted by TV, media and promotional outfits. The very fact you are claiming this hype means Barrera was already "great," even though he has no wins to cement it, shows what an utter fraud you are. Fact.

Nothing to do with Hamed, huh? Who are you trying to fool? It's just sad how transparent you are. This thread doesn't happen if you didn't get routed in the Marquez-Hamed thread. And you know it.

It's always the same thing when someone is getting smashed in threads. They start claiming they really are a "fan" of the fighter there knocking or trying to discredit. Just reading about how they supposedly followed him from the start. How they were gutted when he lost is just pitiful. Such desperation

Pay attention. Cuz I'm only going to teach you once. It's possible for a fighter to be great without being in his prime. In fact it's actually pretty common. There are several examples. From Ray Robinson to Bernard Hopkins to George Foreman to Marco Antonio Barrera. All fighters who were still great and accomplished a lot while out of there prime. Class dismiss.

What an utter fool. It's becoming quite tragic. Totally embarrassing yourself with every moronic post.

This thread is about Barrera not Naz or Marquez. Get over it.

I will LEAVE this forum, never post again, if you show ONE example of me "knocking" or "discrediting" Barrera in this thread. This thread is purely about his "prime." I thought maybe it was debatable. But it seems you're the only fool that thinks it was when Junior Jones left him senseless.

Pay attention, cause i'm only gonna teach you this once, great fighters are regarded as great outside their supposed prime AFTER they have achieved greatness.

Schooling you is getting boring. Fact.

That's right. i forgot. You always been a Barrera fan. You followed him since he was 6 years old fighting in the sand box. Blah, blah, blah

This shit would be easier if I was dealing with someone with Down Syndrome or something. Cuz they seem to be levels above you. Barrera's prime ran from 1994 to 2000. The Mckinney, Jones and the first Erik Morales fight happen in that time frame. Are you seriously stupid enough to say Barrera wasn't consider great after that? Come on. I dare you to say it. Based on the tail end of your post that's exactly what you mean. Just like the word elite in the other thread you don't know what a fighter being in his prime really means. You think you do. But you don't. Your a generic poster. You post the same nonsense over and over. Cuz it's all you got. You got a little domestic knowledge. But that's it. Your a minor leaguer trying to play in the majors. To think your opinion on a fighter like Marco Antonio Barrera actually matters is ridicules. It's not even fun taking you apart. You are so out of your realm. Stick to your Ricky Hatton's and Joe Calzaghe's. Maybe than you can at least give the impression you know what your talking about.