Klitschko vs Briggs is on

[CFH]

Be-fucking-have lyle.

Let's call it what it is. Vitali Klitscho taking on another fat american whos shot at glory was frigging years ago. And even at his peak he wasn't that good.

Yeah if briggs lands a lucky one and gets a KO haye etc maybe haye will regret not selling his soul to fit the klit.

but as it stands this is just another easy fight against a guy who hasn't even earned it.

Just because of shit like this makes me feel that it's ok for haye to fight audley.

Whats good for the goose.....

....So you're saying it's just like he's taking on a dangerous version of John Ruiz?

no I'm saying if vitali and wladmir aren't going to take on any serious opposition I don't see why Haye should.

Because the Klitschko brothers have established themselves as the dominant heavyweights since Lennox Lewis retired. They've been willing to fight all comes and have actively sought out the best and most demanded opponents (including Haye) of what is admittedly a putrid division. They haven't run their mouths about breathing new life into the Heavyweight division and all that bullshit, nor have they talked shit about fighting certain individuals only to overtly duck them on two separate occasions . Haye has barely established himself as a legitimate heavyweight, but his talk has already been demonstrated to be utter bullshit and he has zero credibility. He ran his mouth in order to make himself money and is now taking the easiest route possible, which is fine I guess, but he's got zero credibility, his big mouth has been completely shut ever since Klitschko offered him an incredibly fair deal, and even most of his "fans" have begun turning against him.

The difference between the Klitschko's and Haye is, in a word, credibility.

[Hornfinger]

Your allowed your opinion. i don't have to agree with it though.....

maybe they will fight all comers, but the standard of what they're both fighting at the moment I would discribe as piss poor at best.

[CFH]

Your allowed your opinion. i don't have to agree with it though.....

maybe they will fight all comers, but the standard of what they're both fighting at the moment I would discribe as piss poor at best.

By all accounts they tried to set up fights with at least three fighters other than Peter and Briggs, all of whom avoided them. Haye - because he is a no-credibility shit-talker who appears to only be in the game to make as much money as easily as possible; Povetkin - because his own trainer didn't think he had a chance; and Valuev - because he demanded too much money (or so I have read).

Who else should they have fought? Even Briggs and Peter are better than Audley Harrison.

[Myk_Myk]

Your allowed your opinion. i don't have to agree with it though.....

maybe they will fight all comers, but the standard of what they're both fighting at the moment I would discribe as piss poor at best.

By all accounts they tried to set up fights with at least three fighters other than Peter and Briggs, all of whom avoided them. Haye - because he is a no-credibility shit-talker who appears to only be in the game to make as much money as easily as possible; Povetkin - because his own trainer didn't think he had a chance; and Valuev - because he demanded too much money (or so I have read).

Who else should they have fought? Even Briggs and Peter are better than Audley Harrison.

Exactly. The Klits' choices are fight the likes of Briggs and Peter, or not fight at all. The other big name Heavies, including Haye, are the reason for that, because of the choices they made.

[Hornfinger]

Your allowed your opinion. i don't have to agree with it though.....

maybe they will fight all comers, but the standard of what they're both fighting at the moment I would discribe as piss poor at best.

By all accounts they tried to set up fights with at least three fighters other than Peter and Briggs, all of whom avoided them. Haye - because he is a no-credibility shit-talker who appears to only be in the game to make as much money as easily as possible; Povetkin - because his own trainer didn't think he had a chance; and Valuev - because he demanded too much money (or so I have read).

Who else should they have fought? Even Briggs and Peter are better than Audley Harrison.

well if they want a fight with haye they need to stop writing shit loads of silly clauses into the contract.

[El Kabong]

You know Hornfinger, it used to be that heavyweight title holders would just wait until their mandatory came up to defend their title...The Klitschko's are very active champions...of course Sam Peter is the mandatory now, but Wlad is having a difficult time finding an opponent that will actually fight him. Vitali just doesn't have much time to fuck about with Valuev and Don King haggling over contracts....Briggs took the money and I'm fairly certain Shannon could still beat Valuev so IMO he might not be a better fight but he's a more risky fight.

[El Kabong]

A 50/50 split with THE Heavyweight Champion of the World with no futures and hell Wlad was even up for fighting at Stamford Bridge and giving up any home field advantage....but I suppose a trinket title holder who may have at one time drawn in close to 20K fans deserves a little more money

[DaxxKahn]

All I will say on this whole bout and what surrpounds it is I have heard from a very very very good source that Briggs has managed to up his workrate in sparring sessions to 5 punches a round so Vitaly has 60 punches to worry about if this goes the distance ...

I mean seriously Shannon Fucking Briggs!!!!! Rob Calloway is the biggest name he has fought since the Sultan loss....Since losing to Sultan in 2007 he is 3-0 with 1 NC the NC was due to the illegal substance drug failure...This deserves a title shot? Vitali and his team even considered this a worthy opp why?

It make me sick to tell the truth and I lost a big chunk of respect for Vitali

[El Kabong]

Hey its hard to make a good fight when no one wants to fight you

[DaxxKahn]

Hey its hard to make a good fight when no one wants to fight you

Sexton, Boytsov, Chagaev, Valuev, Solis, Pianeta, Platov, Ustinov...are all more deserving though really none are deserving of a title shot at the moent with the exception of Valuev who is only 1 fight removed from being a belt holder...But Briggs?....Take the top 25 and no less then 15 nof them would say yes in a second so p-lease don't start with the nonsense of noone will fight him...shit even in loss a title shot is a title shot in the eyes of some of mthese fellows especially the ones starting to get past their mid 20's

[rjj tszyu]

You know Hornfinger, it used to be that heavyweight title holders would just wait until their mandatory came up to defend their title...The Klitschko's are very active champions...of course Sam Peter is the mandatory now, but Wlad is having a difficult time finding an opponent that will actually fight him. Vitali just doesn't have much time to fuck about with Valuev and Don King haggling over contracts....Briggs took the money and I'm fairly certain Shannon could still beat Valuev so IMO he might not be a better fight but he's a more risky fight.

You think Shannon Briggs would beat Valuev?? Really? I don't. I know Valuev is shite but Briggs is even worse. I mean his greatest achievement is going the distance with a 47 year old fat George Foreman and getting a total gift decision and that was what 1996ish? He's even worse now.

[El Kabong]

You think Shannon Briggs would beat Valuev?? Really? I don't. I know Valuev is shite but Briggs is even worse. I mean his greatest achievement is going the distance with a 47 year old fat George Foreman and getting a total gift decision and that was what 1996ish? He's even worse now.

....and Valuev got a gift decision vs Evander Holyfield who was about 47 when that fight happened, your point?

Shannon can still punch and Valuev has NEVER fought anyone that was a PROVEN heavyweight power puncher....never EVER in his whole career

[CFH]

Your allowed your opinion. i don't have to agree with it though.....

maybe they will fight all comers, but the standard of what they're both fighting at the moment I would discribe as piss poor at best.

By all accounts they tried to set up fights with at least three fighters other than Peter and Briggs, all of whom avoided them. Haye - because he is a no-credibility shit-talker who appears to only be in the game to make as much money as easily as possible; Povetkin - because his own trainer didn't think he had a chance; and Valuev - because he demanded too much money (or so I have read).

Who else should they have fought? Even Briggs and Peter are better than Audley Harrison.

well if they want a fight with haye they need to stop writing shit loads of silly clauses into the contract.

A 50/50 split with no futures is a "silly clause"?