Klitschko haters: explain something to me please

[El Kabong]

I also think (and this may be a bit of a stretch) that people blame the Klitschko's for the state of the division because they dominate so easily that no one in the division wants to fight them.

And for both the fans and the fighters alike that is very frustrating. I mean who wants to be the 3rd best heavyweight of this era?

[Hornfinger]

I also think (and this may be a bit of a stretch) that people blame the Klitschko's for the state of the division because they dominate so easily that no one in the division wants to fight them.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

No they sell the story that other boxers don't want to fight them, it's morons that buy it that are the problem.

Maybe if they weren't putting rediculous stipulations into contracts.....

[El Kabong]

So Povetkin punked out because of a contract?

[therealremi]

I also think (and this may be a bit of a stretch) that people blame the Klitschko's for the state of the division because they dominate so easily that no one in the division wants to fight them.

No they sell the story that other boxers don't want to fight them, it's morons that buy it that are the problem.
Maybe if they weren't putting rediculous stipulations into contracts.....

Sorry, but it was always obvious to me that a contender should agree to fight for a world belt for a pot of potatos, even with a few weeks notice. That is of course if he himself believes he is good enough to win. If I'm not mistaken Vitali did just that.

[generalbulldog]

I applaud your effort to understand the haters out there. I think a lot of people hate on these guys for a couple of simple reasons: they are white, they are European, they are well educated, they don't brag or talk shit constantly, when they do talk smack their accents sound more like Borat than Ivan Drago and because of those things they lack street cred and they SEEM like they are not dangerous or intimidating inside or outside the ring.

In short by hating on the Klitschko's people are saying "How can nice middle class white guys not from the US run this division so easily?"

Chris Rock Flashback: Are There Any Great White Boxers?

[ono]

They'd have lived with the great heavyweights of the past because of their size. Fenster made a point about how p4p wise, they're just not that impressive, and i have to agree. Size is a massive reason for them being so successful. The enjoy huge physical advantages over their opponents.

I feel a little sorry for them because there is very little able bodies competition, so it's not like either Wlad or Vitali have to show anything else.

[Hornfinger]

I also think (and this may be a bit of a stretch) that people blame the Klitschko's for the state of the division because they dominate so easily that no one in the division wants to fight them.

No they sell the story that other boxers don't want to fight them, it's morons that buy it that are the problem.
Maybe if they weren't putting rediculous stipulations into contracts.....

Sorry, but it was always obvious to me that a contender should agree to fight for a world belt for a pot of potatos, even with a few weeks notice. That is of course if he himself believes he is good enough to win. If I'm not mistaken Vitali did just that.

I agree. If you are the challenger then yeah. But then that's easy to say when you ain't fighting for a living. You might be happy to go to work and not get paid for doing your job but I wouldn't be.

Secondly, What if you want to fight the klits and you bring a legit world title, not to mention a huge following (which means revenue) to the table. Do you still deserve to get screwed over in negotiations then?

thirdly, by your reckoning the klits should happily get paid fuck all to fight for haye's title.

See the flaws. They're pretty obvious.

[0james0]

I just don't want to like them. I appreciate what they've done and I know they are brilliant. Their build, physique, perfection at their fight style. As a boxing fan I admire it.

But for me they are baddies, the evil robots from East Europe. For that I blame Rocky.

And some of their fights are fucking boring! I'm sorry, but they've had more than their share. All boxers have them, styles make fights, but the Klitchkos style and opponents who just plod like turkeys into some hammers to the face increase the chances of a slow fight, dull fight.

I want to see an opponent with real speed in there, even someone much smaller but mega fast. Vitali has cracks now I recon, he's on the verge I can feel it.

[Hornfinger]

I've got nothing against the klits really. It's not their fault that they've boxed in the worst decade of heavyweight boxing in it's history.

[El Kabong]

I agree. If you are the challenger then yeah. But then that's easy to say when you ain't fighting for a living. You might be happy to go to work and not get paid for doing your job but I wouldn't be.

Secondly, What if you want to fight the klits and you bring a legit world title, not to mention a huge following (which means revenue) to the table. Do you still deserve to get screwed over in negotiations then?

thirdly, by your reckoning the klits should happily get paid fuck all to fight for haye's title.

See the flaws. They're pretty obvious.

If El Pollo Explosivo ever has the stones to fight Wlad you and the rest of the boxing world will see THE Heavyweight Champion of the world vs England's Got Talent Champion Shit Talker.

You can have fans and still be worthless in this sport and I consider anyone that's still harping on how they beat Enzo Maccarinelli and how that equates to their success as a heavyweight worthless. But by all means, don't believe me, wait and see for yourself.


#1 As with everyone else (bar maybe Rahman because of his fights with Lewis and Williams with his fight vs Tyson) the Klitschko's give their challengers the highest pay days of their careers and the same will be true with Chicken Little whenever he gets rid of that yellow streak that runs down his injured back.

#2 Yeah we'll have to see if that ever happens, because the way I see it Ruslan Chagaev was never beaten and his title never should have been taken from him (thank you Don King and the WBA for expiditing that so that a DKP/Sauerland fighter could get the title back). Wladimir fought Ruslan, Wladimir stopped Ruslan, ergo the physical belt may belong to Chicken Little but the title of Heavyweight Champion of the World belongs to Wladimir.

#3 When El Pollo Explosivo sells more than 20,000 seats (which he's never done) he MAY have a right to ask for 70-30.


But hell, all this is erroneous anyway we all know he's fighting a rematch vs Valuev next, that's what Don King will want.

[Hulk]

I don't have the answer to these questions.....

Although Lamon Brewster and Corey sanders do.

And as for vit, his defence is SOOOOOO good it couldn't prevent a fat old slow under trained out of shape lennox lewis from making his face look like a complete mess.

Luckily for the klits there hasn't been anyone half decent or in half decent shape in the division for literally years to expolit this things, or even give them a half decent contest. The klits are only boring because there oppo only show up for a pay day, don't bother getting in shape and don't attempt to put up a fight.

I don't blame the klits for being boring I blame there absolutely dire opposition.

I can't explain Klit haters cuz I'm not one. I just say things as they are.

Well said.

In my view the Klitschkos are the best of the worst heavyweight division in decades.

Quite obviously they would defeat Marciano and Dempsey on mere size alone.

Yes, Jess Williard and Primo Carnera were huge men as well, and were soundly KO'd by much smaller men, but the Klitschos are certainly better boxers than those two ever were.

IMO they would have been lower eschelon top 10 contenders in the 90's.

[El Kabong]

The Klitschko's can only fight who they have in their era...I'm not worried about how history views them, they have dominated their era and that is all any great fighter can be asked to do. Hulk you're out of your mind...lower echelon top 10 contenders in the 1990's...bullshit.

[Hulk]

The Klitschko's can only fight who they have in their era...I'm not worried about how history views them, they have dominated their era and that is all any great fighter can be asked to do. Hulk you're out of your mind...lower echelon top 10 contenders in the 1990's...bullshit.

The 90's is arguably THE BEST HW division of all time you ASS BLOOD.

So yes, def not top 5, so below that, in the lower top 10.

[El Kabong]

The 90's is arguably THE BEST HW division of all time you ASS BLOOD.

So yes, def not top 5, so below that, in the lower top 10.

You post as though Bowe, Holyfield, and Lewis (and to a far lesser extent: Morrison, Ruddock, Mercer, Moorer, Briggs, and Golota) all peaked at the same point in time and that Tyson, Bruno, Foreman and Holmes were dangerous enough to beat either Klitschko.

You are wrong sir. Now at certain points the 1990's versions of Lewis and Holyfield would more than likely beat the Klitschkos. HOWEVER there are GLARING examples of when they wouldn't: Lewis-Bruno, Lewis-McCall, (not the 90's anymore but close) Lewis-Rahman I, Holyfield-Bowe III, Holyfield-Moorer I, and Holyfield-Dokes.

Foreman and Holmes in their 1990's form weren't athletic enough to bother either brother...Foreman would have to lull them to sleep to land anything of note and Holmes...the guy had a great jab, but I think Wlad's right now is better than Holmes' in the 1990's plus it's followed by big time KO power.

Bowe never fought any big time power punchers. He never fought Lewis, never fought Ruddock (who IMO would have wrecked him if in proper condition) and yet people ASSUME he had a great chin...why? Because he took punches from Evander and Golota

Tyson post prison was a shell of himself...sure he had handspeed and power, but no plan B, he was way too eager to tie up and he got schooled by Buster Douglas and picked a part by Holyfield, I think either brother would have toyed with Mike at that stage of his career.

Mercer was tough but judging by recent performances either brother would not only beat him, they would stop him. And again it's good to notice that the brothers fight in a manner which makes the opposing trainer say "I'm going to stop the fight" pretty early on. Mercer was tough as nails and had decent power but as is the curse of this division he was just terribly inconsistent.

Everyone else only has a puncher's chance and hell we see where that gets you these days.

And WTF with the "ASS BLOOD" comment...I'd expect that kind of name calling from Zelenoff but not from you. Creative as it may be it's pointless and makes you sound like a child.

[Hulk]

The 90's is arguably THE BEST HW division of all time you ASS BLOOD.

So yes, def not top 5, so below that, in the lower top 10.

You post as though Bowe, Holyfield, and Lewis (and to a far lesser extent: Morrison, Ruddock, Mercer, Moorer, Briggs, and Golota) all peaked at the same point in time and that Tyson, Bruno, Foreman and Holmes were dangerous enough to beat either Klitschko.

You are wrong sir. Now at certain points the 1990's versions of Lewis and Holyfield would more than likely beat the Klitschkos. HOWEVER there are GLARING examples of when they wouldn't: Lewis-Bruno, Lewis-McCall, (not the 90's anymore but close) Lewis-Rahman I, Holyfield-Bowe III, Holyfield-Moorer I, and Holyfield-Dokes.

Foreman and Holmes in their 1990's form weren't athletic enough to bother either brother...Foreman would have to lull them to sleep to land anything of note and Holmes...the guy had a great jab, but I think Wlad's right now is better than Holmes' in the 1990's plus it's followed by big time KO power.

Bowe never fought any big time power punchers. He never fought Lewis, never fought Ruddock (who IMO would have wrecked him if in proper condition) and yet people ASSUME he had a great chin...why? Because he took punches from Evander and Golota

Tyson post prison was a shell of himself...sure he had handspeed and power, but no plan B, he was way too eager to tie up and he got schooled by Buster Douglas and picked a part by Holyfield, I think either brother would have toyed with Mike at that stage of his career.

Mercer was tough but judging by recent performances either brother would not only beat him, they would stop him. And again it's good to notice that the brothers fight in a manner which makes the opposing trainer say "I'm going to stop the fight" pretty early on. Mercer was tough as nails and had decent power but as is the curse of this division he was just terribly inconsistent.

Everyone else only has a puncher's chance and hell we see where that gets you these days.

And WTF with the "ASS BLOOD" comment...I'd expect that kind of name calling from Zelenoff but not from you. Creative as it may be it's pointless and makes you sound like a child.

Ahhh tsk tsk my dear Klitschko nut hugger...tsk tsk to you sir...

First let me address the most important part of your post...the ass blood inquiry. Meow if you were a gentleman of wealth and taste you would know that the "ass blood" insult was a direct reference to the greatest comedy series on TV at the moment, HBO's hit show "Eastbound and Down". Stevie Janowski is fond of saying it.

Now onto other matters...

Post-prison Tyson would still have a DAMN good chance of beating either klit especially Wlad, who would be very intimidated of Mike before the first bell even rang.

Lennox Lewis would be a HEAVY favorite to beat either klit seein as a fat, outta shape, aging Lennox still beat Vitali.

Holyfield aside from the night he lost to Moorer, would out work the klits all night long and do work on the INSIDE. A place where the klits have no idea how to fight.

You downplay Bowe, Mercer and Morrison as if they were journeymen. Any of them on any given night would have a great chance of beating the brothers, and KO'n your sweet wladimir.

Golota is a wild card as he is a psychotic ball hitting bastard.