Klitschko haters: explain something to me please

[El Kabong]

The 90's is arguably THE BEST HW division of all time you ASS BLOOD.

So yes, def not top 5, so below that, in the lower top 10.

You post as though Bowe, Holyfield, and Lewis (and to a far lesser extent: Morrison, Ruddock, Mercer, Moorer, Briggs, and Golota) all peaked at the same point in time and that Tyson, Bruno, Foreman and Holmes were dangerous enough to beat either Klitschko.

You are wrong sir. Now at certain points the 1990's versions of Lewis and Holyfield would more than likely beat the Klitschkos. HOWEVER there are GLARING examples of when they wouldn't: Lewis-Bruno, Lewis-McCall, (not the 90's anymore but close) Lewis-Rahman I, Holyfield-Bowe III, Holyfield-Moorer I, and Holyfield-Dokes.

Foreman and Holmes in their 1990's form weren't athletic enough to bother either brother...Foreman would have to lull them to sleep to land anything of note and Holmes...the guy had a great jab, but I think Wlad's right now is better than Holmes' in the 1990's plus it's followed by big time KO power.

Bowe never fought any big time power punchers. He never fought Lewis, never fought Ruddock (who IMO would have wrecked him if in proper condition) and yet people ASSUME he had a great chin...why? Because he took punches from Evander and Golota

Tyson post prison was a shell of himself...sure he had handspeed and power, but no plan B, he was way too eager to tie up and he got schooled by Buster Douglas and picked a part by Holyfield, I think either brother would have toyed with Mike at that stage of his career.

Mercer was tough but judging by recent performances either brother would not only beat him, they would stop him. And again it's good to notice that the brothers fight in a manner which makes the opposing trainer say "I'm going to stop the fight" pretty early on. Mercer was tough as nails and had decent power but as is the curse of this division he was just terribly inconsistent.

Everyone else only has a puncher's chance and hell we see where that gets you these days.

And WTF with the "ASS BLOOD" comment...I'd expect that kind of name calling from Zelenoff but not from you. Creative as it may be it's pointless and makes you sound like a child.

[Hulk]

The 90's is arguably THE BEST HW division of all time you ASS BLOOD.

So yes, def not top 5, so below that, in the lower top 10.

You post as though Bowe, Holyfield, and Lewis (and to a far lesser extent: Morrison, Ruddock, Mercer, Moorer, Briggs, and Golota) all peaked at the same point in time and that Tyson, Bruno, Foreman and Holmes were dangerous enough to beat either Klitschko.

You are wrong sir. Now at certain points the 1990's versions of Lewis and Holyfield would more than likely beat the Klitschkos. HOWEVER there are GLARING examples of when they wouldn't: Lewis-Bruno, Lewis-McCall, (not the 90's anymore but close) Lewis-Rahman I, Holyfield-Bowe III, Holyfield-Moorer I, and Holyfield-Dokes.

Foreman and Holmes in their 1990's form weren't athletic enough to bother either brother...Foreman would have to lull them to sleep to land anything of note and Holmes...the guy had a great jab, but I think Wlad's right now is better than Holmes' in the 1990's plus it's followed by big time KO power.

Bowe never fought any big time power punchers. He never fought Lewis, never fought Ruddock (who IMO would have wrecked him if in proper condition) and yet people ASSUME he had a great chin...why? Because he took punches from Evander and Golota

Tyson post prison was a shell of himself...sure he had handspeed and power, but no plan B, he was way too eager to tie up and he got schooled by Buster Douglas and picked a part by Holyfield, I think either brother would have toyed with Mike at that stage of his career.

Mercer was tough but judging by recent performances either brother would not only beat him, they would stop him. And again it's good to notice that the brothers fight in a manner which makes the opposing trainer say "I'm going to stop the fight" pretty early on. Mercer was tough as nails and had decent power but as is the curse of this division he was just terribly inconsistent.

Everyone else only has a puncher's chance and hell we see where that gets you these days.

And WTF with the "ASS BLOOD" comment...I'd expect that kind of name calling from Zelenoff but not from you. Creative as it may be it's pointless and makes you sound like a child.

Ahhh tsk tsk my dear Klitschko nut hugger...tsk tsk to you sir...

First let me address the most important part of your post...the ass blood inquiry. Meow if you were a gentleman of wealth and taste you would know that the "ass blood" insult was a direct reference to the greatest comedy series on TV at the moment, HBO's hit show "Eastbound and Down". Stevie Janowski is fond of saying it.

Now onto other matters...

Post-prison Tyson would still have a DAMN good chance of beating either klit especially Wlad, who would be very intimidated of Mike before the first bell even rang.

Lennox Lewis would be a HEAVY favorite to beat either klit seein as a fat, outta shape, aging Lennox still beat Vitali.

Holyfield aside from the night he lost to Moorer, would out work the klits all night long and do work on the INSIDE. A place where the klits have no idea how to fight.

You downplay Bowe, Mercer and Morrison as if they were journeymen. Any of them on any given night would have a great chance of beating the brothers, and KO'n your sweet wladimir.

Golota is a wild card as he is a psychotic ball hitting bastard.

[El Kabong]

Ahhh tsk tsk my dear Klitschko nut hugger...tsk tsk to you sir...

First let me address the most important part of your post...the ass blood inquiry. Meow if you were a gentleman of wealth and taste you would know that the "ass blood" insult was a direct reference to the greatest comedy series on TV at the moment, HBO's hit show "Eastbound and Down". Stevie Janowski is fond of saying it.

Now onto other matters...

Post-prison Tyson would still have a DAMN good chance of beating either klit especially Wlad, who would be very intimidated of Mike before the first bell even rang.

Lennox Lewis would be a HEAVY favorite to beat either klit seein as a fat, outta shape, aging Lennox still beat Vitali.

Holyfield aside from the night he lost to Moorer, would out work the klits all night long and do work on the INSIDE. A place where the klits have no idea how to fight.

You downplay Bowe, Mercer and Morrison as if they were journeymen. Any of them on any given night would have a great chance of beating the brothers, and KO'n your sweet wladimir.

Golota is a wild card as he is a psychotic ball hitting bastard.

#1 If Kenny Fuckin Powers didn't say it then it don't mean shit!

#2 "Wlad would be very intimidated before the first bell even rang".....that is an assumption and a bad one at that because at no one point in time throughout his career have I ever seen Wladimir look intimidated before the opening bell. I highly doubt Tyson would have had that effect on him either. Would Wlad be wary of Tyson's hand speed and KO power, yes....intimidated by his rough house tactics and aura? No.

#3 Agreed in that he'd be a heavy favorite but I disagree with the rest. Who says Lennox was "fat and out of shape"...the Kirk Johnson fight was going to be his big send off. Did he not train to fight Vitali? Yes, but Vitali had been training to fight Cedric Boswell, so give that trite old story up about the "fat out of shape Lewis" he was THE CHAMP and THE CHAMP always comes to fight....that was his job.

#4 You can ASSUME Holyfield would work on the inside all you like, but I remind you that both Wlad and Vitali work on the outside and they can stay there if they so choose, they'd be very happy to stay there vs Evander. Tough fight but the point I am getting at is "On any given day, The Klitschko's are good enough to compete vs the greats" it doesn't mean they'd win it means they can hold their own and yes that means Holyfield who had imense trouble with Michael Dokes and just looked horrible vs Moorer and Bowe in the rubber match.

#5 Bowe NEVER FOUGHT A POWER PUNCHER....and I do believe there was a very good reason for that. See Lennox Lewis vs Bowe in the amateurs. Bowe never fought Tyson, never fought Briggs, never fought Mercer, never fought Tua, never fought Moorer, never fought Morrison....he avoided or ducked anybody with any power at all. Look at his record, I think maybe Pierre Coetzer had the highest KO% of all the fighters on Riddick's resume. As for Morrison and Mercer...Tommy was game as they come and had plenty of pop, but he was a so-so BOXER, couldn't take a good punch, and often threw wide and wild and tuckered himself out to where he was breathing through his open mouth (hence the broken jaw that Hipp gave him). Mercer was as inconsistent as they come, 1 night he could weather a storm vs Morrison and come back and win, other nights he did just enough to lose like vs Lewis, other nights he got outboxed EASILY vs an ancient Larry Holmes. So if OLD Larry Holmes can outbox Ray why couldn't Wladimir? Wlad's faster on his feet at this point than Larry was, Wlad has a better jab at this point than Larry did in the 1990's. Could Ray pressure Wlad, sure, could he go the distance, sure, but would he beat Wlad? More often than not Ray would lose.

[Hulk]

Ahhh tsk tsk my dear Klitschko nut hugger...tsk tsk to you sir...

First let me address the most important part of your post...the ass blood inquiry. Meow if you were a gentleman of wealth and taste you would know that the "ass blood" insult was a direct reference to the greatest comedy series on TV at the moment, HBO's hit show "Eastbound and Down". Stevie Janowski is fond of saying it.

Now onto other matters...

Post-prison Tyson would still have a DAMN good chance of beating either klit especially Wlad, who would be very intimidated of Mike before the first bell even rang.

Lennox Lewis would be a HEAVY favorite to beat either klit seein as a fat, outta shape, aging Lennox still beat Vitali.

Holyfield aside from the night he lost to Moorer, would out work the klits all night long and do work on the INSIDE. A place where the klits have no idea how to fight.

You downplay Bowe, Mercer and Morrison as if they were journeymen. Any of them on any given night would have a great chance of beating the brothers, and KO'n your sweet wladimir.

Golota is a wild card as he is a psychotic ball hitting bastard.

#1 If Kenny Fuckin Powers didn't say it then it don't mean shit!

#2 "Wlad would be very intimidated before the first bell even rang".....that is an assumption and a bad one at that because at no one point in time throughout his career have I ever seen Wladimir look intimidated before the opening bell. I highly doubt Tyson would have had that effect on him either. Would Wlad be wary of Tyson's hand speed and KO power, yes....intimidated by his rough house tactics and aura? No.

#3 Agreed in that he'd be a heavy favorite but I disagree with the rest. Who says Lennox was "fat and out of shape"...the Kirk Johnson fight was going to be his big send off. Did he not train to fight Vitali? Yes, but Vitali had been training to fight Cedric Boswell, so give that trite old story up about the "fat out of shape Lewis" he was THE CHAMP and THE CHAMP always comes to fight....that was his job.

#4 You can ASSUME Holyfield would work on the inside all you like, but I remind you that both Wlad and Vitali work on the outside and they can stay there if they so choose, they'd be very happy to stay there vs Evander. Tough fight but the point I am getting at is "On any given day, The Klitschko's are good enough to compete vs the greats" it doesn't mean they'd win it means they can hold their own and yes that means Holyfield who had imense trouble with Michael Dokes and just looked horrible vs Moorer and Bowe in the rubber match.

#5 Bowe NEVER FOUGHT A POWER PUNCHER....and I do believe there was a very good reason for that. See Lennox Lewis vs Bowe in the amateurs. Bowe never fought Tyson, never fought Briggs, never fought Mercer, never fought Tua, never fought Moorer, never fought Morrison....he avoided or ducked anybody with any power at all. Look at his record, I think maybe Pierre Coetzer had the highest KO% of all the fighters on Riddick's resume. As for Morrison and Mercer...Tommy was game as they come and had plenty of pop, but he was a so-so BOXER, couldn't take a good punch, and often threw wide and wild and tuckered himself out to where he was breathing through his open mouth (hence the broken jaw that Hipp gave him). Mercer was as inconsistent as they come, 1 night he could weather a storm vs Morrison and come back and win, other nights he did just enough to lose like vs Lewis, other nights he got outboxed EASILY vs an ancient Larry Holmes. So if OLD Larry Holmes can outbox Ray why couldn't Wladimir? Wlad's faster on his feet at this point than Larry was, Wlad has a better jab at this point than Larry did in the 1990's. Could Ray pressure Wlad, sure, could he go the distance, sure, but would he beat Wlad? More often than not Ray would lose.

#1. Your fuckin out ! I'm fuckin in !

#2. Wlad gets intimidate when a big punch grazes by him ! He leans back and looks like a wounded scared giraffe running for its life. So yes, I do believe Tyson would intimidate the hell outta him.

#3 Lennox would be the heavy favorite. I'm glad we agree on that.

#4 Holyfield would get inside. And Dokes fought his ass off the night he fought Holyfield, and I do believe that was one of Holyfield's very first fights at heavyweight.

#5 Bowe was inconsistent I"ll give you that. But he was more talented than the klits and certainly capable of beating them.

[El Kabong]

#1. Your fuckin out ! I'm fuckin in !

#2. Wlad gets intimidate when a big punch grazes by him ! He leans back and looks like a wounded scared giraffe running for its life. So yes, I do believe Tyson would intimidate the hell outta him.

#3 Lennox would be the heavy favorite. I'm glad we agree on that.

#4 Holyfield would get inside. And Dokes fought his ass off the night he fought Holyfield, and I do believe that was one of Holyfield's very first fights at heavyweight.

#5 Bowe was inconsistent I"ll give you that. But he was more talented than the klits and certainly capable of beating them.

#1 I know one of us had their own personal stylist and one of us shoplifts their shit from Fashion Bug...that's what I know

#2 OK so you've said "Before the first bell" and now you've moved on to "When a punch grazes him"....well IF that happened maybe you're right, but Mike Tyson in the 1990's moved his head for all of 2 rounds, he looked for one big punch at a time and at that point in his career he was vulnerable to being outboxed. If Wlad lasted 5 rounds then Tyson would be done.

#3 Good

#4 The Dokes fight was very tough, Holyfield calls it one of the toughest of his career. As for Holyfield fighting on the inside...we've yet to see someone do that vs the Klitschko's, I doubt it's because 100% of the fighters they have fought have either refused to work on the inside or don't know how to work on the inside. Give the brothers a little credit, they do fight smart.

#5 Well I didn't say that Riddick was inconsistent, that statement was about Ray Mercer. I stand by the FACT that Riddick Bowe NEVER fought a power puncher in his pro career...look at his record. And this is why I would pick a ton of guys to beat Riddick.

[TitoFan]

Riddick Bowe was an underachieving, lazy fighter who would've gotten blown out by either Klitschko.

[El Kabong]

Riddick Bowe was an underachieving, lazy fighter who would've gotten blown out by either Klitschko.

And he never fought a power puncher...FACT

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Lennox did it too. It's still really annoying and boring and anti boxing and definately not penalised enough.