America is an illegal and racist country much like Israel

[Gandalf]

And now that the brush of 'fucking hippy' is on my mind, I will add a few thoughts. I am a human being who believes that other human beings have an obligation to treat other human beings with respect. That means power brokers have a responsibility to not abuse their power and to try and create a just society. To that extent I certainly believe in measures such as tax redistribution, free health care for all and the right to a decent education. Those kinds of thoughts are not radical and far from the values of some hippy with dreams of utopia (and I really hate pot too!). I also don't think it is above governments to act with some level of decency. This means America should not invade nations arbitrarily, Britain should do likewise and Israel shouldn't build settlements on occupied lands. These are not revolutionary pie in the sky values to have.

I mean seriously Lyle, do you not at least agree with the final points in bold above? Are they so hippy dippy?

[El Kabong]

And now that the brush of 'fucking hippy' is on my mind, I will add a few thoughts. I am a human being who believes that other human beings have an obligation to treat other human beings with respect. That means power brokers have a responsibility to not abuse their power and to try and create a just society. To that extent I certainly believe in measures such as tax redistribution, free health care for all and the right to a decent education. Those kinds of thoughts are not radical and far from the values of some hippy with dreams of utopia (and I really hate pot too!). I also don't think it is above governments to act with some level of decency. This means America should not invade nations arbitrarily, Britain should do likewise and Israel shouldn't build settlements on occupied lands. These are not revolutionary pie in the sky values to have.

I mean seriously Lyle, do you not at least agree with the final points in bold above? Are they so hippy dippy?

#1 Everyone has a different view of a "just society" FACT

#2 "Free Health care"....free how? Free as in Doctors and Nurses are unpaid volunteers or "free" as in TAX PAYER FUNDED health care?

#3 Everyone in the US goes to school (or at least has the opportunity to) and everyone that pays property taxes (even those without kids in school or those with kids in Private Schools) pays for those schools to exist. But yet we're still on your shit list miles, why is that?

#4 I don't hate pot, but I do hate hippies.

[Gandalf]

And now that the brush of 'fucking hippy' is on my mind, I will add a few thoughts. I am a human being who believes that other human beings have an obligation to treat other human beings with respect. That means power brokers have a responsibility to not abuse their power and to try and create a just society. To that extent I certainly believe in measures such as tax redistribution, free health care for all and the right to a decent education. Those kinds of thoughts are not radical and far from the values of some hippy with dreams of utopia (and I really hate pot too!). I also don't think it is above governments to act with some level of decency. This means America should not invade nations arbitrarily, Britain should do likewise and Israel shouldn't build settlements on occupied lands. These are not revolutionary pie in the sky values to have.

I mean seriously Lyle, do you not at least agree with the final points in bold above? Are they so hippy dippy?

#1 Everyone has a different view of a "just society" FACT

#2 "Free Health care"....free how? Free as in Doctors and Nurses are unpaid volunteers or "free" as in TAX PAYER FUNDED health care?

#3 Everyone in the US goes to school (or at least has the opportunity to) and everyone that pays property taxes (even those without kids in school or those with kids in Private Schools) pays for those schools to exist. But yet we're still on your shit list miles, why is that?

#4 I don't hate pot, but I do hate hippies.

1. Hmm. What is your definition of a just society? I have outlined a rough idea of mine in the previous post. There are no 'facts' in this so stop being immature.

2. The British system which is applied in numerous other countries around the world. A progressive tax system which means the rich pay more and the poor pay less. Basically free at the point of use. I break my arm and go to hosptial then there is nobill incurred. Even the Korean system is very good. $60 paid by me and then $60 paid by my employer per month. More for those who earn more. Why do you Americans pay so much for a service that the rest of the world can get so much cheaper? Is it because you need an insurance broker as a go between? Why no public option? It's absurd.

3. On point number 3, I am now lost as to how you are relating to any of the points bolded above. I see you have avoided them entirely.....

4. I am not so enamoured of either.