Record Slating

[generalbulldog]

Hatton was a good fighter and he fought the best opposition at the time, unfortunately the 140 pound division has not been strong competition wise in history. There is a reason why so many great fighters like Whitaker, Pac, Mayweather, De La Hoya, Ray Robinson, Duran, Mosley just pass through the division with a fight here or there or entirely skips it, because historically Welterweight has been the place with the biggest fights and money purses below the HW division.

And for the record, Pryor and Tszyu imo also didn't have too many great names on their records at the division also, just like Hatton. Like I said, historically 140 pound division isn't that strong.

just one comment on this daft post

for a time when hatton was at his peak in the LWW division it was considered to have a lot more depth than the WW division

Whatever makes you happy bro. Learn to live in reality. I know Hatton fans have a hard time with this. See all the excuses on why Hatton lost to 2 of the greatest fighters of this era.

[erics44]

Hatton was a good fighter and he fought the best opposition at the time, unfortunately the 140 pound division has not been strong competition wise in history. There is a reason why so many great fighters like Whitaker, Pac, Mayweather, De La Hoya, Ray Robinson, Duran, Mosley just pass through the division with a fight here or there or entirely skips it, because historically Welterweight has been the place with the biggest fights and money purses below the HW division.

And for the record, Pryor and Tszyu imo also didn't have too many great names on their records at the division also, just like Hatton. Like I said, historically 140 pound division isn't that strong.

just one comment on this daft post

for a time when hatton was at his peak in the LWW division it was considered to have a lot more depth than the WW division

Whatever makes you happy bro. Learn to live in reality. I know Hatton fans have a hard time with this. See all the excuses on why Hatton lost to 2 of the greatest fighters of this era.

ha, you disagree?

you are either too young and wasnt around in that period or stoopid

its probly the second

[skel1983]

Hatton was a good fighter and he fought the best opposition at the time, unfortunately the 140 pound division has not been strong competition wise in history. There is a reason why so many great fighters like Whitaker, Pac, Mayweather, De La Hoya, Ray Robinson, Duran, Mosley just pass through the division with a fight here or there or entirely skips it, because historically Welterweight has been the place with the biggest fights and money purses below the HW division.

And for the record, Pryor and Tszyu imo also didn't have too many great names on their records at the division also, just like Hatton. Like I said, historically 140 pound division isn't that strong.

just one comment on this daft post

for a time when hatton was at his peak in the LWW division it was considered to have a lot more depth than the WW division

Whatever makes you happy bro. Learn to live in reality. I know Hatton fans have a hard time with this. See all the excuses on why Hatton lost to 2 of the greatest fighters of this era.

ha, you disagree?

you are either too young and wasnt around in that period or stoopid

its probly the second

To be fair Eric when Hatton took the number 1 mantle up it was hot, but then everyone left or Hatton didn't fight any of the other 140 fighters that made it a hot division, his fault or not but most of Hatton's run at 140 Junior Witter was number fucking two

[erics44]

Hatton was a good fighter and he fought the best opposition at the time, unfortunately the 140 pound division has not been strong competition wise in history. There is a reason why so many great fighters like Whitaker, Pac, Mayweather, De La Hoya, Ray Robinson, Duran, Mosley just pass through the division with a fight here or there or entirely skips it, because historically Welterweight has been the place with the biggest fights and money purses below the HW division.

And for the record, Pryor and Tszyu imo also didn't have too many great names on their records at the division also, just like Hatton. Like I said, historically 140 pound division isn't that strong.

just one comment on this daft post

for a time when hatton was at his peak in the LWW division it was considered to have a lot more depth than the WW division

Whatever makes you happy bro. Learn to live in reality. I know Hatton fans have a hard time with this. See all the excuses on why Hatton lost to 2 of the greatest fighters of this era.

ha, you disagree?

you are either too young and wasnt around in that period or stoopid

its probly the second

To be fair Eric when Hatton took the number 1 mantle up it was hot, but then everyone left or Hatton didn't fight any of the other 140 fighters that made it a hot division, his fault or not but most of Hatton's run at 140 Junior Witter was number fucking two

a lot of fighters left the division yes

but as i said, for a time when hatton was at his peak the light welterweight division was much stronger than the welterweight division, and that is a fact (not a fenster fact tho because his facts generally arent facts)

and no hatton didnt fight any of the big names, but we are talking about the ridiculous notion that fighters always skip the division

its probably strionger than welterweight now is it not?

[generalbulldog]

Hatton was a good fighter and he fought the best opposition at the time, unfortunately the 140 pound division has not been strong competition wise in history. There is a reason why so many great fighters like Whitaker, Pac, Mayweather, De La Hoya, Ray Robinson, Duran, Mosley just pass through the division with a fight here or there or entirely skips it, because historically Welterweight has been the place with the biggest fights and money purses below the HW division.

And for the record, Pryor and Tszyu imo also didn't have too many great names on their records at the division also, just like Hatton. Like I said, historically 140 pound division isn't that strong.

just one comment on this daft post

for a time when hatton was at his peak in the LWW division it was considered to have a lot more depth than the WW division

Whatever makes you happy bro. Learn to live in reality. I know Hatton fans have a hard time with this. See all the excuses on why Hatton lost to 2 of the greatest fighters of this era.

ha, you disagree?

you are either too young and wasnt around in that period or stoopid

its probly the second

To be fair Eric when Hatton took the number 1 mantle up it was hot, but then everyone left or Hatton didn't fight any of the other 140 fighters that made it a hot division, his fault or not but most of Hatton's run at 140 Junior Witter was number fucking two

That's right, it was only hot for a moment and then Floyd and Cotto (the 2 biggest names at 140) went up to 147. And at 147 you had Floyd, Cotto, Margarito, Judah, Williams, Clottey, CIntron, etc.

Much better than Hatton, Malignaggi, Castillo, Witter, Harris, Corley, Ndou, etc.

Ring ratings for 2006. http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th..._Ratings:_2006

Ring Ratings for 2007. http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th..._Ratings:_2007

Ring Ratings for 2008. http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th..._Ratings:_2008

So when Hatton reigned it was only hot for a moment, and then the other 3 years he reigned it was so much inferior talent wise to 147. As I've said 147 has been historically the strongest division below HW, and throughout boxing history it has given the most biggest fights below HW. Fact.

[erics44]

That's right, it was only hot for a moment and then Floyd and Cotto (the 2 biggest names at 140) went up to 147. And at 147 you had Floyd, Cotto, Margarito, Judah, Williams, Clottey, CIntron, etc.

Much better than Hatton, Malignaggi, Castillo, Witter, Harris, Corley, Ndou, etc.

Ring ratings for 2006. The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings: 2006 - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia

Ring Ratings for 2007. The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings: 2007 - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia

Ring Ratings for 2008. The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings: 2008 - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia

So when Hatton reigned it was only hot for a moment, and then the other 3 years he reigned it was so much inferior talent wise to 147. As I've said 147 has been historically the strongest division below HW, and throughout boxing history it has given the most biggest fights below HW. Fact.

you are moving away from the discussion point

2 or 3 years ago for about a year or 2 lww was better than ww, then for 2 or 3 years ww has been better than lww, now lww is better than ww and probly will be for a couple of years, and then it probly wont be for a couple of years, and then it probly will be

you made a ridiculous comment that hattons record is shit because he fought at light welterweight

its a ridiculous comment dude soz

[ono]

If you really wanted to you could pick holes in any boxers record

One example ive read recently is a post that suggested Hatton only fought aging over the hill fighters and the post had a list of his victims who the poster seemed to think anyone could have beaten at that point in their carears

But are there any fighters with a solid record? when i say solid i dont neccessarily mean without loss just very hard to pick holes in

before the margarito fight i used to think Cotto had beaten anyone and everyone he had had the chance to fight, all at the top of their game. Im not saying the margarito fight changed my mind but Cotto hasnt really been the same since and doesnt really look top of the world as he once did

Well let's break it down....

Hatton beat Kostya Tszyu, who had participated in just 1 bout, in getting on for 2 and a half years before he fought Hatton. Tyszu was 35 years old.

Hatton beat Castillo who was 33 years old. Was coming off a very poor showing against a very average Herman Ngoudjo. You could easily argue that Castillo's best years were behind him.

Hatton barely beat Luis Collazo. Collazo was the first quick handed, prime fighter Hatton had fought. He struggled badly, and some might even say Collazo was robbed. I had Hatton winning barely, but that was down to his work-rate. Collazo won some rounds big.

Hatton looked fairly poor against Urango, although he was ill. Hatton looked fairly poor against Lazcano, and was rocked a few times. The only time he's looked particularly good at world level against a prime fighter would be the Malignaggi fight, but even then that was a very poor one handed version of Malignaggi, who was in the care of Buddy McGirt (i've still never seen a McGirt fighter win a fight).

So whilst Hatton's resume suggests he only lost to two of the very best, when you actually look at his performances at World Class level, you realise he was merely a good fighter.

Like you say, you can pick holes in any fighter's record, but you should judge it on how easy it is to pick holes in their record. With Hatton it's fairly easy imo.

Merely a good fighter that was a lineal lightwelter champion, P4P top 10 ranked (on two seperate occasions) and honured with the fighter of the year award by both The Ring Magazine and the Boxing Writers Association of America.

Not bad for a "mere good" fighter.

I think you've mis-understood me. When i say 'merely good', i'm talking about in comparison with some of the greats which were mentioned earlier in the thread.

For example, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Leonard, Whittaker etc are/were great fighters, Hatton is/was a good fighter.

[Fenster]

If you really wanted to you could pick holes in any boxers record

One example ive read recently is a post that suggested Hatton only fought aging over the hill fighters and the post had a list of his victims who the poster seemed to think anyone could have beaten at that point in their carears

But are there any fighters with a solid record? when i say solid i dont neccessarily mean without loss just very hard to pick holes in

before the margarito fight i used to think Cotto had beaten anyone and everyone he had had the chance to fight, all at the top of their game. Im not saying the margarito fight changed my mind but Cotto hasnt really been the same since and doesnt really look top of the world as he once did

Well let's break it down....

Hatton beat Kostya Tszyu, who had participated in just 1 bout, in getting on for 2 and a half years before he fought Hatton. Tyszu was 35 years old.

Hatton beat Castillo who was 33 years old. Was coming off a very poor showing against a very average Herman Ngoudjo. You could easily argue that Castillo's best years were behind him.

Hatton barely beat Luis Collazo. Collazo was the first quick handed, prime fighter Hatton had fought. He struggled badly, and some might even say Collazo was robbed. I had Hatton winning barely, but that was down to his work-rate. Collazo won some rounds big.

Hatton looked fairly poor against Urango, although he was ill. Hatton looked fairly poor against Lazcano, and was rocked a few times. The only time he's looked particularly good at world level against a prime fighter would be the Malignaggi fight, but even then that was a very poor one handed version of Malignaggi, who was in the care of Buddy McGirt (i've still never seen a McGirt fighter win a fight).

So whilst Hatton's resume suggests he only lost to two of the very best, when you actually look at his performances at World Class level, you realise he was merely a good fighter.

Like you say, you can pick holes in any fighter's record, but you should judge it on how easy it is to pick holes in their record. With Hatton it's fairly easy imo.

Merely a good fighter that was a lineal lightwelter champion, P4P top 10 ranked (on two seperate occasions) and honured with the fighter of the year award by both The Ring Magazine and the Boxing Writers Association of America.

Not bad for a "mere good" fighter.

I think you've mis-understood me. When i say 'merely good', i'm talking about in comparison with some of the greats which were mentioned earlier in the thread.

For example, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Leonard, Whittaker etc are/were great fighters, Hatton is/was a good fighter.

Compared to those greats I guess "good" is appropriate, but considering he was P4P ranked and an ELITE 140 pound fighter, he deserves a little more credit than "merely good"

[ono]

If you really wanted to you could pick holes in any boxers record

One example ive read recently is a post that suggested Hatton only fought aging over the hill fighters and the post had a list of his victims who the poster seemed to think anyone could have beaten at that point in their carears

But are there any fighters with a solid record? when i say solid i dont neccessarily mean without loss just very hard to pick holes in

before the margarito fight i used to think Cotto had beaten anyone and everyone he had had the chance to fight, all at the top of their game. Im not saying the margarito fight changed my mind but Cotto hasnt really been the same since and doesnt really look top of the world as he once did

Well let's break it down....

Hatton beat Kostya Tszyu, who had participated in just 1 bout, in getting on for 2 and a half years before he fought Hatton. Tyszu was 35 years old.

Hatton beat Castillo who was 33 years old. Was coming off a very poor showing against a very average Herman Ngoudjo. You could easily argue that Castillo's best years were behind him.

Hatton barely beat Luis Collazo. Collazo was the first quick handed, prime fighter Hatton had fought. He struggled badly, and some might even say Collazo was robbed. I had Hatton winning barely, but that was down to his work-rate. Collazo won some rounds big.

Hatton looked fairly poor against Urango, although he was ill. Hatton looked fairly poor against Lazcano, and was rocked a few times. The only time he's looked particularly good at world level against a prime fighter would be the Malignaggi fight, but even then that was a very poor one handed version of Malignaggi, who was in the care of Buddy McGirt (i've still never seen a McGirt fighter win a fight).

So whilst Hatton's resume suggests he only lost to two of the very best, when you actually look at his performances at World Class level, you realise he was merely a good fighter.

Like you say, you can pick holes in any fighter's record, but you should judge it on how easy it is to pick holes in their record. With Hatton it's fairly easy imo.

Merely a good fighter that was a lineal lightwelter champion, P4P top 10 ranked (on two seperate occasions) and honured with the fighter of the year award by both The Ring Magazine and the Boxing Writers Association of America.

Not bad for a "mere good" fighter.

I think you've mis-understood me. When i say 'merely good', i'm talking about in comparison with some of the greats which were mentioned earlier in the thread.

For example, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Leonard, Whittaker etc are/were great fighters, Hatton is/was a good fighter.

Compared to those greats I guess "good" is appropriate, but considering he was P4P ranked and an ELITE 140 pound fighter, he deserves a little more credit than "merely good"

Yeah i didn't mean merely in a way to describe his achievements as miserly. Hatton being 'merely good' was more of a nudge towards how big of a gap there is between him and the likes of Pacquiao, Mayweather, Leonard etc...

If that makes sense?

[generalbulldog]

That's right, it was only hot for a moment and then Floyd and Cotto (the 2 biggest names at 140) went up to 147. And at 147 you had Floyd, Cotto, Margarito, Judah, Williams, Clottey, CIntron, etc.

Much better than Hatton, Malignaggi, Castillo, Witter, Harris, Corley, Ndou, etc.

Ring ratings for 2006. The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings: 2006 - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia

Ring Ratings for 2007. The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings: 2007 - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia

Ring Ratings for 2008. The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings: 2008 - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia

So when Hatton reigned it was only hot for a moment, and then the other 3 years he reigned it was so much inferior talent wise to 147. As I've said 147 has been historically the strongest division below HW, and throughout boxing history it has given the most biggest fights below HW. Fact.

you are moving away from the discussion point

2 or 3 years ago for about a year or 2 lww was better than ww, then for 2 or 3 years ww has been better than lww, now lww is better than ww and probly will be for a couple of years, and then it probly wont be for a couple of years, and then it probly will be

you made a ridiculous comment that hattons record is shit because he fought at light welterweight

its a ridiculous comment dude soz

Alright I'll entertain this post.

I'm moving away from the discussion point? This is your exact quote, "for a time when hatton was at his peak in the LWW division it was considered to have a lot more depth than the WW division."

So Hatton's peak would be from mid 2005 (when he beat Tszyu) to the end of 2007 when he got ko by Floyd. Except for a few months in 2005, the 140 pound division was much weaker than the 147 division in 2006, 2007, and even when he was top dog at 140 in 2008, it was still much weaker than the welterweight dvision. The ring ratings that I posted proved that.

And again your claim that the 140 pound division 2 or 3 years ago in your latest post is absurd. 2 or 3 years ago would be 2007 and 2008 and again the ring ratings proved that the 147 pound division was head and shoulders above the 140 division. And no, 140 now is not better than 147, not with Floyd and Manny being there, along with Mosley and Cotto who are both still ranked there, and now even Bradley has made the top 10 of WWs.

Class dismissed son.

[Fenster]

If you really wanted to you could pick holes in any boxers record

One example ive read recently is a post that suggested Hatton only fought aging over the hill fighters and the post had a list of his victims who the poster seemed to think anyone could have beaten at that point in their carears

But are there any fighters with a solid record? when i say solid i dont neccessarily mean without loss just very hard to pick holes in

before the margarito fight i used to think Cotto had beaten anyone and everyone he had had the chance to fight, all at the top of their game. Im not saying the margarito fight changed my mind but Cotto hasnt really been the same since and doesnt really look top of the world as he once did

Well let's break it down....

Hatton beat Kostya Tszyu, who had participated in just 1 bout, in getting on for 2 and a half years before he fought Hatton. Tyszu was 35 years old.

Hatton beat Castillo who was 33 years old. Was coming off a very poor showing against a very average Herman Ngoudjo. You could easily argue that Castillo's best years were behind him.

Hatton barely beat Luis Collazo. Collazo was the first quick handed, prime fighter Hatton had fought. He struggled badly, and some might even say Collazo was robbed. I had Hatton winning barely, but that was down to his work-rate. Collazo won some rounds big.

Hatton looked fairly poor against Urango, although he was ill. Hatton looked fairly poor against Lazcano, and was rocked a few times. The only time he's looked particularly good at world level against a prime fighter would be the Malignaggi fight, but even then that was a very poor one handed version of Malignaggi, who was in the care of Buddy McGirt (i've still never seen a McGirt fighter win a fight).

So whilst Hatton's resume suggests he only lost to two of the very best, when you actually look at his performances at World Class level, you realise he was merely a good fighter.

Like you say, you can pick holes in any fighter's record, but you should judge it on how easy it is to pick holes in their record. With Hatton it's fairly easy imo.

Merely a good fighter that was a lineal lightwelter champion, P4P top 10 ranked (on two seperate occasions) and honured with the fighter of the year award by both The Ring Magazine and the Boxing Writers Association of America.

Not bad for a "mere good" fighter.

I think you've mis-understood me. When i say 'merely good', i'm talking about in comparison with some of the greats which were mentioned earlier in the thread.

For example, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Leonard, Whittaker etc are/were great fighters, Hatton is/was a good fighter.

Compared to those greats I guess "good" is appropriate, but considering he was P4P ranked and an ELITE 140 pound fighter, he deserves a little more credit than "merely good"

Yeah i didn't mean merely in a way to describe his achievements as miserly. Hatton being 'merely good' was more of a nudge towards how big of a gap there is between him and the likes of Pacquiao, Mayweather, Leonard etc...

If that makes sense?

Yeah that makes sense.

They are all-time GREAT fighters. Fact. Even at 140 it's debatable whether or not Hatton could be labeled "great," for sure though he was a world-class, elite lightwelter during his pomp.

[ono]

If you really wanted to you could pick holes in any boxers record

One example ive read recently is a post that suggested Hatton only fought aging over the hill fighters and the post had a list of his victims who the poster seemed to think anyone could have beaten at that point in their carears

But are there any fighters with a solid record? when i say solid i dont neccessarily mean without loss just very hard to pick holes in

before the margarito fight i used to think Cotto had beaten anyone and everyone he had had the chance to fight, all at the top of their game. Im not saying the margarito fight changed my mind but Cotto hasnt really been the same since and doesnt really look top of the world as he once did

Well let's break it down....

Hatton beat Kostya Tszyu, who had participated in just 1 bout, in getting on for 2 and a half years before he fought Hatton. Tyszu was 35 years old.

Hatton beat Castillo who was 33 years old. Was coming off a very poor showing against a very average Herman Ngoudjo. You could easily argue that Castillo's best years were behind him.

Hatton barely beat Luis Collazo. Collazo was the first quick handed, prime fighter Hatton had fought. He struggled badly, and some might even say Collazo was robbed. I had Hatton winning barely, but that was down to his work-rate. Collazo won some rounds big.

Hatton looked fairly poor against Urango, although he was ill. Hatton looked fairly poor against Lazcano, and was rocked a few times. The only time he's looked particularly good at world level against a prime fighter would be the Malignaggi fight, but even then that was a very poor one handed version of Malignaggi, who was in the care of Buddy McGirt (i've still never seen a McGirt fighter win a fight).

So whilst Hatton's resume suggests he only lost to two of the very best, when you actually look at his performances at World Class level, you realise he was merely a good fighter.

Like you say, you can pick holes in any fighter's record, but you should judge it on how easy it is to pick holes in their record. With Hatton it's fairly easy imo.

Merely a good fighter that was a lineal lightwelter champion, P4P top 10 ranked (on two seperate occasions) and honured with the fighter of the year award by both The Ring Magazine and the Boxing Writers Association of America.

Not bad for a "mere good" fighter.

I think you've mis-understood me. When i say 'merely good', i'm talking about in comparison with some of the greats which were mentioned earlier in the thread.

For example, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Leonard, Whittaker etc are/were great fighters, Hatton is/was a good fighter.

Compared to those greats I guess "good" is appropriate, but considering he was P4P ranked and an ELITE 140 pound fighter, he deserves a little more credit than "merely good"

Yeah i didn't mean merely in a way to describe his achievements as miserly. Hatton being 'merely good' was more of a nudge towards how big of a gap there is between him and the likes of Pacquiao, Mayweather, Leonard etc...

If that makes sense?

Yeah that makes sense.

They are all-time GREAT fighters. Fact. Even at 140 it's debatable whether or not Hatton could be labeled "great," for sure though he was a world-class, elite lightwelter during his pomp.

Yeah agreed entirely.

[Fenster]

That's right, it was only hot for a moment and then Floyd and Cotto (the 2 biggest names at 140) went up to 147. And at 147 you had Floyd, Cotto, Margarito, Judah, Williams, Clottey, CIntron, etc.

Much better than Hatton, Malignaggi, Castillo, Witter, Harris, Corley, Ndou, etc.

Ring ratings for 2006. The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings: 2006 - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia

Ring Ratings for 2007. The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings: 2007 - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia

Ring Ratings for 2008. The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings: 2008 - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia

So when Hatton reigned it was only hot for a moment, and then the other 3 years he reigned it was so much inferior talent wise to 147. As I've said 147 has been historically the strongest division below HW, and throughout boxing history it has given the most biggest fights below HW. Fact.

you are moving away from the discussion point

2 or 3 years ago for about a year or 2 lww was better than ww, then for 2 or 3 years ww has been better than lww, now lww is better than ww and probly will be for a couple of years, and then it probly wont be for a couple of years, and then it probly will be

you made a ridiculous comment that hattons record is shit because he fought at light welterweight

its a ridiculous comment dude soz

Alright I'll entertain this post.

I'm moving away from the discussion point? This is your exact quote, "for a time when hatton was at his peak in the LWW division it was considered to have a lot more depth than the WW division."

So Hatton's peak would be from mid 2005 (when he beat Tszyu) to the end of 2007 when he got ko by Floyd. Except for a few months in 2005, the 140 pound division was much weaker than the 147 division in 2006, 2007, and even when he was top dog at 140 in 2008, it was still much weaker than the welterweight dvision. The ring ratings that I posted proved that.

And again your claim that the 140 pound division 2 or 3 years ago in your latest post is absurd. 2 or 3 years ago would be 2007 and 2008 and again the ring ratings proved that the 147 pound division was head and shoulders above the 140 division. And no, 140 now is not better than 147, not with Floyd and Manny being there, along with Mosley and Cotto who are both still ranked there, and now even Bradley has made the top 10 of WWs.

Class dismissed son.

Castillo was rated the no.1 lightwelter after just one disputed win over Ngoudjo when Hatton fought him. That says it all about how strong the division was at the time.

[killersheep]

I signed up on this forum 4 and a half years ago, guess what was being discussed?

The quality of Hatton's resume.

He was an exciting fighter, fought everyone he could, and left it all in the ring, at the end of the day that's all that matters.
Using p4p lists for factual backup are like using boxrec's ratings for backup, it's just debatable at best.
The fact that they are on the lists is the only factual thing about them, because the formula is opinion to begin with.

Back to the actual topic EVERY fighter has their resume picked apart by someone at some time, it's the nature of boxing. Noone has a perfect career that fought all their opponents in their primes.

[Fenster]

I signed up on this forum 4 and a half years ago, guess what was being discussed?

The quality of Hatton's resume.

He was an exciting fighter, fought everyone he could, and left it all in the ring, at the end of the day that's all that matters.
Using p4p lists for factual backup are like using boxrec's ratings for backup, it's just debatable at best.
The fact that they are on the lists is the only factual thing about them, because the formula is opinion to begin with.

Back to the actual topic EVERY fighter has their resume picked apart by someone at some time, it's the nature of boxing. Noone has a perfect career that fought all their opponents in their primes.

However, the P4P list represents the very best fighters at that time. The Ring's opinion, which is regarded as gospel, because it's compiled by so-called "experts," will almost certainly mirror the current view of fans.

Therefore any win over a fighter rated amongst the P4P elite should always be praised, respected and never downplayed. That should be a fact.