Record Slating

[Fenster]

I signed up on this forum 4 and a half years ago, guess what was being discussed?

The quality of Hatton's resume.

He was an exciting fighter, fought everyone he could, and left it all in the ring, at the end of the day that's all that matters.
Using p4p lists for factual backup are like using boxrec's ratings for backup, it's just debatable at best.
The fact that they are on the lists is the only factual thing about them, because the formula is opinion to begin with.

Back to the actual topic EVERY fighter has their resume picked apart by someone at some time, it's the nature of boxing. Noone has a perfect career that fought all their opponents in their primes.

However, the P4P list represents the very best fighters at that time. The Ring's opinion, which is regarded as gospel, because it's compiled by so-called "experts," will almost certainly mirror the current view of fans.

Therefore any win over a fighter rated amongst the P4P elite should always be praised, respected and never downplayed. That should be a fact.

[0james0]

Hatton did fantastic with the skills he had, he learnt a stye that troubled most opponents and worked well for him. His style also earnt him many, many fans. You can't really argue with that.

I don't think anyone is saying Hatton is a hall of famer, but he did pretty well and looking back on his record he has nothing to be ashamed of.

But even the very best fighters ever can have their records picked apart, Ali etc are all pickapartable.

[killersheep]

I signed up on this forum 4 and a half years ago, guess what was being discussed?

The quality of Hatton's resume.

He was an exciting fighter, fought everyone he could, and left it all in the ring, at the end of the day that's all that matters.
Using p4p lists for factual backup are like using boxrec's ratings for backup, it's just debatable at best.
The fact that they are on the lists is the only factual thing about them, because the formula is opinion to begin with.

Back to the actual topic EVERY fighter has their resume picked apart by someone at some time, it's the nature of boxing. Noone has a perfect career that fought all their opponents in their primes.

However, the P4P list represents the very best fighters at that time. The Ring's opinion, which is regarded as gospel, because it's compiled by so-called "experts," will almost certainly mirror the current view of fans.

Therefore any win over a fighter rated amongst the P4P elite should always be praised, respected and never downplayed. That should be a fact.

Serious question, what did Tszyu do to get on the p4p list?

[Fenster]

I signed up on this forum 4 and a half years ago, guess what was being discussed?

The quality of Hatton's resume.

He was an exciting fighter, fought everyone he could, and left it all in the ring, at the end of the day that's all that matters.
Using p4p lists for factual backup are like using boxrec's ratings for backup, it's just debatable at best.
The fact that they are on the lists is the only factual thing about them, because the formula is opinion to begin with.

Back to the actual topic EVERY fighter has their resume picked apart by someone at some time, it's the nature of boxing. Noone has a perfect career that fought all their opponents in their primes.

However, the P4P list represents the very best fighters at that time. The Ring's opinion, which is regarded as gospel, because it's compiled by so-called "experts," will almost certainly mirror the current view of fans.

Therefore any win over a fighter rated amongst the P4P elite should always be praised, respected and never downplayed. That should be a fact.

Serious question, what did Tszyu do to get on the p4p list?

Ask the "experts"

You have to judge his worth at that time against all the other fighters in the world.

Personally I think P4P is utter nonsense but start analysing any fighters career and I guarantee - "what P4P fighters did he beat" will be asked

[killersheep]

I signed up on this forum 4 and a half years ago, guess what was being discussed?

The quality of Hatton's resume.

He was an exciting fighter, fought everyone he could, and left it all in the ring, at the end of the day that's all that matters.
Using p4p lists for factual backup are like using boxrec's ratings for backup, it's just debatable at best.
The fact that they are on the lists is the only factual thing about them, because the formula is opinion to begin with.

Back to the actual topic EVERY fighter has their resume picked apart by someone at some time, it's the nature of boxing. Noone has a perfect career that fought all their opponents in their primes.

However, the P4P list represents the very best fighters at that time. The Ring's opinion, which is regarded as gospel, because it's compiled by so-called "experts," will almost certainly mirror the current view of fans.

Therefore any win over a fighter rated amongst the P4P elite should always be praised, respected and never downplayed. That should be a fact.

Serious question, what did Tszyu do to get on the p4p list?

Ask the "experts"

You have to judge his worth at that time against all the other fighters in the world.

Personally I think P4P is utter nonsense but start analysing any fighters career and I guarantee - "what P4P fighters did he beat" will be asked

Exactly my point.

I'm with you on this, and I understand the weight that beating a p4p fighter gets in career recognition, hell I've used it in debates myself. But honestly the longer I follow boxing the more I recognize the "experts" are not necessarily on point, my opinion of course.

[Fenster]

I signed up on this forum 4 and a half years ago, guess what was being discussed?

The quality of Hatton's resume.

He was an exciting fighter, fought everyone he could, and left it all in the ring, at the end of the day that's all that matters.
Using p4p lists for factual backup are like using boxrec's ratings for backup, it's just debatable at best.
The fact that they are on the lists is the only factual thing about them, because the formula is opinion to begin with.

Back to the actual topic EVERY fighter has their resume picked apart by someone at some time, it's the nature of boxing. Noone has a perfect career that fought all their opponents in their primes.

However, the P4P list represents the very best fighters at that time. The Ring's opinion, which is regarded as gospel, because it's compiled by so-called "experts," will almost certainly mirror the current view of fans.

Therefore any win over a fighter rated amongst the P4P elite should always be praised, respected and never downplayed. That should be a fact.

Serious question, what did Tszyu do to get on the p4p list?

Ask the "experts"

You have to judge his worth at that time against all the other fighters in the world.

Personally I think P4P is utter nonsense but start analysing any fighters career and I guarantee - "what P4P fighters did he beat" will be asked

Exactly my point.

I'm with you on this, and I understand the weight that beating a p4p fighter gets in career recognition, hell I've used it in debates myself. But honestly the longer I follow boxing the more I recognize the "experts" are not necessarily on point, my opinion of course.

Well that's exactly what happened to me. Not only did I realise the "experts" are inconsistent hypocrites but boxing rankings are nothing but a popularity contest.

I'll gladly stop using P4P when everyone else does

[killersheep]

I signed up on this forum 4 and a half years ago, guess what was being discussed?

The quality of Hatton's resume.

He was an exciting fighter, fought everyone he could, and left it all in the ring, at the end of the day that's all that matters.
Using p4p lists for factual backup are like using boxrec's ratings for backup, it's just debatable at best.
The fact that they are on the lists is the only factual thing about them, because the formula is opinion to begin with.

Back to the actual topic EVERY fighter has their resume picked apart by someone at some time, it's the nature of boxing. Noone has a perfect career that fought all their opponents in their primes.

However, the P4P list represents the very best fighters at that time. The Ring's opinion, which is regarded as gospel, because it's compiled by so-called "experts," will almost certainly mirror the current view of fans.

Therefore any win over a fighter rated amongst the P4P elite should always be praised, respected and never downplayed. That should be a fact.

Serious question, what did Tszyu do to get on the p4p list?

Ask the "experts"

You have to judge his worth at that time against all the other fighters in the world.

Personally I think P4P is utter nonsense but start analysing any fighters career and I guarantee - "what P4P fighters did he beat" will be asked

Exactly my point.

I'm with you on this, and I understand the weight that beating a p4p fighter gets in career recognition, hell I've used it in debates myself. But honestly the longer I follow boxing the more I recognize the "experts" are not necessarily on point, my opinion of course.

Well that's exactly what happened to me. Not only did I realise the "experts" are inconsistent hypocrites but boxing rankings are nothing but a popularity contest.

I'll gladly stop using P4P when everyone else does

They are much more than that now............................................... ................................................. they are also a great promotional tool for GBP