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    Default Re: De La Hoya: I want to eliminate all competition

    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
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    ODH wants a monopoly on fighters, so does Arum, King and Warren. Boxing would be ruined if that happens.
    how so? if one promoter had all the rights to every fighter there would be no need to shield a fighter, seeing how they would get all the profits regardless
    You are naive, what if they do not want to sign for him, they are forced to sign with him and what he has to offer. He will look after himself and his cronies.
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    Default Re: De La Hoya: I want to eliminate all competition

    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
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    ODH wants a monopoly on fighters, so does Arum, King and Warren. Boxing would be ruined if that happens.
    how so? if one promoter had all the rights to every fighter there would be no need to shield a fighter, seeing how they would get all the profits regardless
    You are naive, what if they do not want to sign for him, they are forced to sign with him and what he has to offer. He will look after himself and his cronies.
    umm you're the one even taking the idea of it happening seriously, so who's really the naive one? King, Arum, and hell even Goosen have too much money of their own for DLH and GBP to be able to come anywhere close to getting a monopoly, it's never gonna happen, and if it did we would be stuck with boxing's version of UFC and the only ones who'd be screwed are the fighters themselves, that said yea there should only be one commission

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    Default Re: De La Hoya: I want to eliminate all competition

    Competition is what keeps business successful and thriving. Oscar wants to be a damn Don...not King. We don't need dictators. Maybe he can ensure lifetime contracts for his fellow share holders....and I'm betting Hopkins could last until 65 yrs old

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    Default Re: De La Hoya: I want to eliminate all competition

    Boxing should turn the keys over to De La Hoya. Let the man fixes what's wrong. If anybody can do it, Oscar can

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    Default Re: De La Hoya: I want to eliminate all competition

    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Boxing should turn the keys over to De La Hoya. Let the man fixes what's wrong. If anybody can do it, Oscar can
    Giving him absolute power will destroy boxing, no one should have that much power, not good for the boxers.
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    Default Re: De La Hoya: I want to eliminate all competition

    i think de la hoya is talking out of his ass. eliminating all competition would be bad for boxing and most importantly, boxing fans. this country was founded on a free market. competition is what makes a country great. that's why countries like the united states, england, japan, germany, france, italy and others are the richest because of competition. de la hoya must be smoking wacky-tobaccy if he thinks his plan is going to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli View Post
    Competition is what keeps business successful and thriving. Oscar wants to be a damn Don...not King. We don't need dictators. Maybe he can ensure lifetime contracts for his fellow share holders....and I'm betting Hopkins could last until 65 yrs old
    Nice play on words there Spicoli.

    Mr King is a 4 real killa he would never just roll over for the new Don.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
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    Competition is what keeps business successful and thriving. Oscar wants to be a damn Don...not King. We don't need dictators. Maybe he can ensure lifetime contracts for his fellow share holders....and I'm betting Hopkins could last until 65 yrs old
    Nice play on words there Spicoli.

    Mr King is a 4 real killa he would never just roll over for the new Don.
    Yeh Kings a walking cartoon but he and Arum always served as counter balance to one another. Competion as shown by Kings early SET ppvs which were the best I've seen. On the flip side though, both of their stubborn arses prevented some great fights from happening, network haggeling and not risking 'franchise' fighters.

    A monopoly is not good. It may streamline and simplify early on but it won't last and even more quality fighters will lose 'favor' thus exposure to fans and vice versa. Unified boards and commision are the answer not a self anointed czar with a direct financial interest in contract terms and outcomes. Like ex fighters being involved big time but one man one vote gets sticky.
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    Default Re: De La Hoya: I want to eliminate all competition

    Getting rid of the Don Kings and the Bob Arums, and "eliminating all competition" are entirely two different things. I don't think too many people will shed a tear when Don King finally hangs them up for good. But there's other young aspiring promoters out there as well. Who the hell made Oscar God? Oh yeah... the very same ones that think his sh*t don't stink and he walks on water. How fukking predictable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli View Post
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    Competition is what keeps business successful and thriving. Oscar wants to be a damn Don...not King. We don't need dictators. Maybe he can ensure lifetime contracts for his fellow share holders....and I'm betting Hopkins could last until 65 yrs old
    Nice play on words there Spicoli.

    Mr King is a 4 real killa he would never just roll over for the new Don.
    Yeh Kings a walking cartoon but he and Arum always served as counter balance to one another. Competion as shown by Kings early SET ppvs which were the best I've seen. On the flip side though, both of their stubborn arses prevented some great fights from happening, network haggeling and not risking 'franchise' fighters.

    A monopoly is not good. It may streamline and simplify early on but it won't last and even more quality fighters will lose 'favor' thus exposure to fans and vice versa. Unified boards and commision are the answer not a self anointed czar with a direct financial interest in contract terms and outcomes. Like ex fighters being involved big time but one man one vote gets sticky.
    I cant see it would ever happen smoothly, its a huge pie thats already been cut up. Something would have to change dramatically as people wouldnt give up any of their share.

    There are so many fighters these days ; Maybe if it did occur one day in the future then it would have to be ran like league ladders within divisions and fight offs with relegation and step ups to make it to the top ladder. Then maybe even separate promoters handling all the separate weights.

    I dont know the answer, even some of the top judges are tarred with some hidden brush, Not many but some of their insane calls that are so far from other pro judges that it makes me feel they must be on the take or into side bets.
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    Default Re: De La Hoya: I want to eliminate all competition

    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    ODH wants a monopoly on fighters, so does Arum, King and Warren. Boxing would be ruined if that happens.
    how so? if one promoter had all the rights to every fighter there would be no need to shield a fighter, seeing how they would get all the profits regardless
    You are naive, what if they do not want to sign for him, they are forced to sign with him and what he has to offer. He will look after himself and his cronies.
    umm you're the one even taking the idea of it happening seriously, so who's really the naive one? King, Arum, and hell even Goosen have too much money of their own for DLH and GBP to be able to come anywhere close to getting a monopoly, it's never gonna happen, and if it did we would be stuck with boxing's version of UFC and the only ones who'd be screwed are the fighters themselves, that said yea there should only be one commission
    What's wrong with the ufc? They make all the big fights that are wanted, and put out good cards on a monthly basis, and the guys who don't perform get booted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    ODH wants a monopoly on fighters, so does Arum, King and Warren. Boxing would be ruined if that happens.
    how so? if one promoter had all the rights to every fighter there would be no need to shield a fighter, seeing how they would get all the profits regardless
    You are naive, what if they do not want to sign for him, they are forced to sign with him and what he has to offer. He will look after himself and his cronies.
    umm you're the one even taking the idea of it happening seriously, so who's really the naive one? King, Arum, and hell even Goosen have too much money of their own for DLH and GBP to be able to come anywhere close to getting a monopoly, it's never gonna happen, and if it did we would be stuck with boxing's version of UFC and the only ones who'd be screwed are the fighters themselves, that said yea there should only be one commission
    What's wrong with the ufc? They make all the big fights that are wanted, and put out good cards on a monthly basis, and the guys who don't perform get booted.
    ummm apart from they pay their fighters peanuts well yea nothing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
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    ODH wants a monopoly on fighters, so does Arum, King and Warren. Boxing would be ruined if that happens.
    how so? if one promoter had all the rights to every fighter there would be no need to shield a fighter, seeing how they would get all the profits regardless
    You are naive, what if they do not want to sign for him, they are forced to sign with him and what he has to offer. He will look after himself and his cronies.
    umm you're the one even taking the idea of it happening seriously, so who's really the naive one? King, Arum, and hell even Goosen have too much money of their own for DLH and GBP to be able to come anywhere close to getting a monopoly, it's never gonna happen, and if it did we would be stuck with boxing's version of UFC and the only ones who'd be screwed are the fighters themselves, that said yea there should only be one commission
    What's wrong with the ufc? They make all the big fights that are wanted, and put out good cards on a monthly basis, and the guys who don't perform get booted.
    ummm apart from they pay their fighters peanuts well yea nothing...
    George St. Pierre the best fighter p4p in the UFC got paid 60k in one of his co-headlining fights. Lesnar got paid something like 450k for headlining a ppv that had 1.5 million buys. Great for the fans no doubt, but really shitty pay for the tens of millions they make for Dana White. White gets tens of millions while if these guys are lucky the may break 100k. Now that is sad.

    Boxing can fix a lot of things if it had 1 commission only, which I'm for. The thing I'm against is 1 promoter UFC style, this fucks over the fighters really badly. And since many of these guys put it on the line to entertain us, I do want them to get what they can get.

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    Default Re: De La Hoya: I want to eliminate all competition

    Quote Originally Posted by generalbulldog View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    ODH wants a monopoly on fighters, so does Arum, King and Warren. Boxing would be ruined if that happens.
    how so? if one promoter had all the rights to every fighter there would be no need to shield a fighter, seeing how they would get all the profits regardless
    You are naive, what if they do not want to sign for him, they are forced to sign with him and what he has to offer. He will look after himself and his cronies.
    umm you're the one even taking the idea of it happening seriously, so who's really the naive one? King, Arum, and hell even Goosen have too much money of their own for DLH and GBP to be able to come anywhere close to getting a monopoly, it's never gonna happen, and if it did we would be stuck with boxing's version of UFC and the only ones who'd be screwed are the fighters themselves, that said yea there should only be one commission
    What's wrong with the ufc? They make all the big fights that are wanted, and put out good cards on a monthly basis, and the guys who don't perform get booted.
    ummm apart from they pay their fighters peanuts well yea nothing...
    George St. Pierre the best fighter p4p in the UFC got paid 60k in one of his co-headlining fights. Lesnar got paid something like 450k for headlining a ppv that had 1.5 million buys. Great for the fans no doubt, but really shitty pay for the tens of millions they make for Dana White. White gets tens of millions while if these guys are lucky the may break 100k. Now that is sad.

    Boxing can fix a lot of things if it had 1 commission only, which I'm for. The thing I'm against is 1 promoter UFC style, this fucks over the fighters really badly. And since many of these guys put it on the line to entertain us, I do want them to get what they can get.
    that's my point, you know something's wrong when Toney (a guy with zero MMA experience) gets paid a rumored 750k to 1 mil for just showing up and getting beat up, and then the guy who was challenging for the title gets paid only a couple ten thousand bucks

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