Ortiz v Murray could be on the Khan v Maidana undercard!

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I wasn't linking the two but come on you have to admit for a Murray fan your knowledge of his career is not the best.

you keep saying my knowledge of murray is crap

the only reason you have given me is coz i said he hasnt come close to loosing and the evidence is the ice cream man fight, you said he was gifted a win, he wasnt, it was close but he deserved to win and if that is the closest he has come to loosing he hasnt come close to loosing

i saw that fight on tv when it happened and i didnt think he lost then and i dont now

you keep saying murray has no chance at world level, well i think this is more evidence that my knowledge of murray is better than yours

So in the space of 24 hours you have gone from you might watch the figh with the Ice Cream man, to now saying you saw it live on tv? Which one is it?

i didnt recognise the name dude, having watched it again i remembered the cut and having checked further i realised it was on the undercard of the witter bradley fight which i watched round my mate Johns (not john murray another john)

look man, the further this thread continues the further you are fighting a loosing battle, murray has a chance at world level of that there is no doubt, and i wouldnt say my knowledge of john murray is at the pinacle but i have seen enough of his fights to know that he has a chance

you saying he doesnt have a chance is pretty far off the mark

I suppose it depends how deep you mean by World level. If by that you mean other contenders at Lightweight or Light welter (as Ortiz is) then maybe he does have a chance (although I do think Ortiz beats him). But if you start looking at the likes of Marquez and Katsidis at lightweight and Khan, Maidana and Bradley at Light Welter then I think they are a class above Murray and he would be schooled in a similar fashion to what Kevin Mitchell was by Katsidis.

In fact that for me would be the ideal fight for both men now (Mitchell and Murray), to see where both men are in their careers. I think Murray would take Mitchell in a very hard fought battle!