Here's a novel idea: Have Wlad publicly remove all of Haye's excuses

[generalbulldog]

Haye ain't going to get in with Wlad until he looks beatable or is on the serious decline or actually loses. He's going to be making something like 15-20 million USD fighting Harrison from the reports I read. And from what I gathered, his countrymen believes him to be the legit HW champ and that Wlad is making excuses not to fight.

So if Haye is making that much fighting bums and is recognized as the "Champ" in his country, he ain't stepping in with Wlad until 1 of those 3 things happen to Wlad.

[TitoFan]

Haye ain't going to get in with Wlad until he looks beatable or is on the serious decline or actually loses. He's going to be making something like 15-20 million USD fighting Harrison from the reports I read. And from what I gathered, his countrymen believes him to be the legit HW champ and that Wlad is making excuses not to fight.

So if Haye is making that much fighting bums and is recognized as the "Champ" in his country, he ain't stepping in with Wlad until 1 of those 3 things happen to Wlad.

And we'll continue to have the "Haye is scared of Wlad" camp, and the "Wlad ain't making a good enough offer to Haye" camp... and we'll continue to have these useless threads... blah, blah, blah... ad nauseaum... UNTIL Wlad publicly calls out Haye and, to paraphrase Marlon Brando in "The Godfather", he makes him an offer he can't refuse. And I'll go one further. If Wlad continues to allow Haye to make excuses, maybe after a while he'll deserve some of the criticism about the fight not being made.

[Hornfinger]

Stick to facts. Here are the facts.

Haye is fighting audley harrison. Shit fight but it'll earn him alot of money

Klit is fighting Derek chisora. Shit fight but it keeps wlad busy

Speculation as to why Haye vs Klit has fallen apart in negotiation is just that. Speculation. No one knows the truth you just choose to side with one or the other.

Those are the facts everything else is childish gob shite.

But please carry on.

[erics44]

Stick to facts. Here are the facts.

Haye is fighting audley harrison. Shit fight but it'll earn him alot of money

Klit is fighting Derek chisora. Shit fight but it keeps wlad busy

Speculation as to why Haye vs Klit has fallen apart in negotiation is just that. Speculation. No one knows the truth you just choose to side with one or the other.

Those are the facts everything else is childish gob shite.

But please carry on.

fantastic post

this thread is childish gob shite

[Beanflicker]

Hmmm, i wonder why the only people sticking up for Haye are British? They like giving people the benefit of the doubt over there I guess

[Hornfinger]

I'm not sticking up for haye. I just realize there is no hard proof what so ever to condemn the man. But I also realize the if I'm going to have a go at him for agreeing to fight fraudley then I also have to have ago at klit for fighting chisora. It's called having balance and not having one set of rules for one and a diffferent set for the other.

[TitoFan]

Hmmm, i wonder why the only people sticking up for Haye are British? They like giving people the benefit of the doubt over there I guess

To be honest, I think there's been a few of us that has wondered about that at one time or another.

[TitoFan]

Haye ain't going to get in with Wlad until he looks beatable or is on the serious decline or actually loses. He's going to be making something like 15-20 million USD fighting Harrison from the reports I read. And from what I gathered, his countrymen believes him to be the legit HW champ and that Wlad is making excuses not to fight.

So if Haye is making that much fighting bums and is recognized as the "Champ" in his country, he ain't stepping in with Wlad until 1 of those 3 things happen to Wlad.

And we'll continue to have the "Haye is scared of Wlad" camp, and the "Wlad ain't making a good enough offer to Haye" camp... and we'll continue to have these useless threads... blah, blah, blah... ad nauseaum... UNTIL Wlad publicly calls out Haye and, to paraphrase Marlon Brando in "The Godfather", he makes him an offer he can't refuse. And I'll go one further. If Wlad continues to allow Haye to make excuses, maybe after a while he'll deserve some of the criticism about the fight not being made.

Lest I start getting accused of being a Klit fan, let me bring back this earlier post. In truth, although I totally dislike Haye's big mouth tactics when it seems he really doesn't want any part of Wlad... I'm also losing patience with Wladimir, who I believe has the ball firmly in his court. The longer this farce goes on and Wlad is content with letting Haye shoot his mouth off without trying to strip him of all his excuses, the more disgusted I'm going to become with Wlad as well.

As far as I'm concerned, it's a combination of:
1) Haye talking a lot of bullshet but really not wanting to get into the ring with Wlad, and
2) Wlad getting caught up in the "who gets more money" and all this negotiations bullshet.

It's becoming Floyd-Pac Part 2. By the time they finally decide to fight, nobody will give a rat's ass.

[TitoFan]

You know, on 2nd thought... fukk Haye AND Wlad. The division isn't good enough to put up with all this posturing. Us true fans will stick to the lower weights, where actual boxing is going on.

[generalbulldog]

You know, on 2nd thought... fukk Haye AND Wlad. The division isn't good enough to put up with all this posturing. Us true fans will stick to the lower weights, where actual boxing is going on.

Amen. It's most people's opinion that the HW division has become dull for years. Quick name the last truly great HW fight? Lewis-Vitali ('03) imo. Again let's try to name an anticipated big HW fight where you had fans and casual sports fan very interested? Lewis-Tyson ('02). So basically that's 7-8 years already that the HW division has truly failed to produce an great HW matchup and/or anticipated fight. Whereas the lower weights has produced epic and anticipated matchups. Yes, we do need the HW division to be really great or produce some exciting champ ala Tyson, Holyfield, young Foreman, Ali to bring in the casual fans, but i have a feeling boxing will be okay if Haye-Wlad never happens. In fact Mayweather-Pacquiao is the far more interesting and anticipated matchup that fans and casual sports fans want.