Watching UFC as a boxing fan

[Drago]

i believe henderson said he enjoyed punching bisping when he was on the floor ko'd

[Drago]

this is from the thesun.co.uk

When (henderson) asked if he knew Bisping was unconscious before he landed the final strike, Henderson smiled and said: "Normally I'm not that way in fights.
"I know if the guy's out, I tend to stop. I hit him hard but I got that last blow in just to shut him up a little bit."

[ono]

this is from the thesun.co.uk

When (henderson) asked if he knew Bisping was unconscious before he landed the final strike, Henderson smiled and said: "Normally I'm not that way in fights.
"I know if the guy's out, I tend to stop. I hit him hard but I got that last blow in just to shut him up a little bit."

I remember that. Half serves Bisping right for circling onto Henderson's right hand all night. But it was well uncalled for.

[Mar]

Cage fighting and the like just ain't my thing. But i can see how so many do like it. I dont watch kickboxing or karate either for all that matters. I've been to a couple of the events out here, and found that it's more about walking around and acting tough than it is actually watching the fights but to each thier own.

[Beanflicker]

There is a terrible misconception that MMA is more dangerous than boxing. This is completely false. Yes, there are times when MMA can be barbaric.

But think about this: what would have happened if the Hardy (the Brit with the Mohawk the original poster mentioned) bout would have been a boxing match? After having his brain rattled, he would have been given a 10 count to get up. He would have made the count, and depending on his recovery time, he could have suffered another several minutes (or rounds) of blows to the head.

Although the MMA fininsh looks more brutal and even cowardly, the fallen fighter was better off taking the one or two extra punches on the ground. Those ground punches are not nearly as hard as a standing punch, A) because you can't put your whole body into it and B) because fighters hold back because if they miss, it means a broken hand on the mat.

[Beanflicker]

A good example of this is the last Macarenelli fight. A concussed, hurt Macarenelli was given his 10 count so he could get to his feet, only to take several more brutal haymakers. In MMA, the fight would have been stopped when he was first dropped.

[El Kabong]

If you're on the ground in some kind of wrestling hold and your opponent has a free hand with which he pummels you with repeatedly the ref can't tell you're hurt until your body goes limp at which time an MMA fighter amps up the aggression and gets in 3-4 more good whacks before the fight is over.

More safe huh?

Enzo got asked if he was OK before he came to scratch, he answered in the affirmative. He was given an out and he nor his corner took it.

[ono]

There is a terrible misconception that MMA is more dangerous than boxing. This is completely false. Yes, there are times when MMA can be barbaric.

But think about this: what would have happened if the Hardy (the Brit with the Mohawk the original poster mentioned) bout would have been a boxing match? After having his brain rattled, he would have been given a 10 count to get up. He would have made the count, and depending on his recovery time, he could have suffered another several minutes (or rounds) of blows to the head.

Although the MMA fininsh looks more brutal and even cowardly, the fallen fighter was better off taking the one or two extra punches on the ground. Those ground punches are not nearly as hard as a standing punch, A) because you can't put your whole body into it and B) because fighters hold back because if they miss, it means a broken hand on the mat.

Don't agree with the last bit. Seen it on many occasion where a fighter has literally jumped up into the air to ensure his full body weight comes down on the face of the fallen.

Half agree with the rest, although in Boxing there is that break which allows the referee to judge if a fighter is capable of carrying on. What happened with Enzo Mac is talked about because it is so rare.

I can't see the argument for saying Hardy would have got back up to take more punishment. No sane referee would have let him continue. He was in a bad way.

With that said, i do think that MMA is probably a little safer than Boxing, but again that is more of a gut feeling based on exactly fuck all.

However it's not just the cowardice with hitting an unconscious man, it's the fact that 'ground and pound' is a celebrated aspect of the sport, and Joe Rogan and his cronies coo over it like an excited kid on Christmas Day. I don't see that aspect in Boxing. When there's a bad knockout, more often than not, the attention turns to the injured fighter, and his well-being takes over. I don't see that in the UFC. The more avid fans might see it, but i just don't.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

There is a terrible misconception that MMA is more dangerous than boxing. This is completely false. Yes, there are times when MMA can be barbaric.

But think about this: what would have happened if the Hardy (the Brit with the Mohawk the original poster mentioned) bout would have been a boxing match? After having his brain rattled, he would have been given a 10 count to get up. He would have made the count, and depending on his recovery time, he could have suffered another several minutes (or rounds) of blows to the head.

Although the MMA fininsh looks more brutal and even cowardly, the fallen fighter was better off taking the one or two extra punches on the ground. Those ground punches are not nearly as hard as a standing punch, A) because you can't put your whole body into it and B) because fighters hold back because if they miss, it means a broken hand on the mat.

Don't agree with the last bit. Seen it on many occasion where a fighter has literally jumped up into the air to ensure his full body weight comes down on the face of the fallen.

Half agree with the rest, although in Boxing there is that break which allows the referee to judge if a fighter is capable of carrying on. What happened with Enzo Mac is talked about because it is so rare.

I can't see the argument for saying Hardy would have got back up to take more punishment. No sane referee would have let him continue. He was in a bad way.

With that said, i do think that MMA is probably a little safer than Boxing, but again that is more of a gut feeling based on exactly fuck all.

However it's not just the cowardice with hitting an unconscious man, it's the fact that 'ground and pound' is a celebrated aspect of the sport, and Joe Rogan and his cronies coo over it like an excited kid on Christmas Day. I don't see that aspect in Boxing. When there's a bad knockout, more often than not, the attention turns to the injured fighter, and his well-being takes over. I don't see that in the UFC. The more avid fans might see it, but i just don't.

Although... There has been a valid argument recently(ish) that commented on the difference in both visible damage (like cuts and bruises) caused by MMA style mits and undetectable damage (like brain haemorrhaging) damage caused by a 10oz gloves.

I know that came across as abit lame... I know 10oz gloves don't directly cause brain haemorrhaging but the argument states that the prolonged (and ironically, more sufferable) beating that a fighter can take from 10oz gloves, puts them at a greater risk of sustaining greater internal damage.

In effect, it's safer to have your lights put out, than to have your brain repeatedly rattled.

Or something like that anyway...

[DaxxKahn]

OK then as KS pointed out in his other thread that this keeps kicking over here when clicking on it so I am going to make this a 2 for 1 post....

Boxing IMO is the superior sport and I will take a boxing match over 10 MMA bouts anyday of the week....MMA though is more like fighting you would come across on the street with a little more organization to it so it does have its appeal and I do watch it often...Guys like AS, GSP, BJ Penn (Beofre he faded) etc are masters of what they do and make it look like the art form it is ment to be but in such a scientific smooth way due to their superior ability...

Now with that being said....

IMO Bute swhould fight the winner of AA/Froch next.....Unless Ward can manage to sign ASAP...If he can not get either of those 2 bouts....Try the WBO champion Si&^%$#@@ from Germany (Can spell the guys name for shit so excuse the marks not meant to be insert for any ill fated cure words on the fighter)....After becoming the owner of 2 belts fight Pascal after he faces off with Hopkins (Who Pascal should beat if he gets a fair shake on the cards)

[ManicHands80]

I honestly like MMA. I'll admit however, some of the matches are boring, but a lot of them are quite interesting to watch. Whereas boxing is just one martial art form, MMA has a variety of different martial art forms you learn how to utilize, as well as learn how to defend against. It could actually be quite interesting to watch how an opponent fuses together boxing and wrestling to defeat someone who fights using judo and brazilian jujitsu.

[Poom]

people talking about if he had proper boxing form he wouldnt have got hit :

you stand differently in mma as you have to be able to get ready for take down defence etc too,

it might not look like it but most the MMA guys could hang with pro boxers in the ring, they just looks sloppy in the cage because there is other things going on like standing so people can't get a clinch on you, standing so you can kick and defend kicks , also Parrying with tiny gloves is totally different, covering up is very difficult because your gloves are small ,

[El Kabong]

people talking about if he had proper boxing form he wouldnt have got hit :

you stand differently in mma as you have to be able to get ready for take down defence etc too,

it might not look like it but most the MMA guys could hang with pro boxers in the ring, they just looks sloppy in the cage because there is other things going on like standing so people can't get a clinch on you, standing so you can kick and defend kicks , also Parrying with tiny gloves is totally different, covering up is very difficult because your gloves are small ,

OK so it's good MMA technique to drop your right hand as you throw a left hook?

Takedown defense shouldn't affect how you throw punches

Most MMA guys in the boxing ring would get KTFO by journeyman boxers.

[ono]

people talking about if he had proper boxing form he wouldnt have got hit :

you stand differently in mma as you have to be able to get ready for take down defence etc too,

it might not look like it but most the MMA guys could hang with pro boxers in the ring, they just looks sloppy in the cage because there is other things going on like standing so people can't get a clinch on you, standing so you can kick and defend kicks , also Parrying with tiny gloves is totally different, covering up is very difficult because your gloves are small ,

Hmm, seen plenty of shoddy Boxing technique used by top MMA fighters. Dropping the left hand low after flicking out a jab. Head way futher forward than the leading foot. Circling the complete wrong way (Bisping for example).

I understand the idea is to be rounded and then probably stand out in a few areas, but i haven't seen any fighters who stand out as a boxer, because generally speaking, that's what they would be - a boxer.

[erik_corrales]

jens pulver had a pro boxing record of 4-0, 3KO then became an mma fighter and had a good run until recently though.