Haye accuses Klit bros of fighting old run down Americans and rejecting his offer

[generalbulldog]

As killersheep pointed out, why is the marg/pac fight included in this PPV package? If Haye is the big star worldwide as his supporters claim, why piggyback on 2 welterweights?

[Fenster]

Since when is Pac-Margarito part of the Haye-Harrison PPV? News to me. I'll be very happy though.

Do you realise American (Vegas) fights happen at 4am UK time. The fights hardly ever get shown let alone PPV. The only PPV Pac has had in Britain is with Hatton. Mayweather's only PPV is with Hatton. All their other fights, if shown, have been FREE!!!

Here's some perspective - Cotto-Margarito UK TV did 14,000

[El Kabong]

As killersheep pointed out, why is the marg/pac fight included in this PPV package? If Haye is the big star worldwide as his supporters claim, why piggyback on 2 welterweights?

1 of those welterweights being one of if not THE most popular fighter in the sport today.

As I said before I don't care about the details I just want the fight to happen. If Chicken Little steps in the ring with a Klitschko he's going to get KO'd....write it down, take a picture, chisel it in stone, that is the 1 and only outcome of that matchup FACT. I read a lot of "if _____ catches Wlad"....but I don't read many "If Wlad lands the right cross _____" because there's no IF about it, he will land it and it WILL be goodnight sweetheart and that's the real reason why Chicken Little doesn't want the fight. Why fight the big boys of the division when you can stick to fighting guys who are 36 or older and that is all he has fought at heavyweight, look at Killersheep's numbers, he put them up there for everyone to see: Valuev, Ruiz, Barrett, Audley all of them north of 36 years old and IF they had primes they are all well past them.

[generalbulldog]

As killersheep pointed out, why is the marg/pac fight included in this PPV package? If Haye is the big star worldwide as his supporters claim, why piggyback on 2 welterweights?

1 of those welterweights being one of if not THE most popular fighter in the sport today.

As I said before I don't care about the details I just want the fight to happen. If Chicken Little steps in the ring with a Klitschko he's going to get KO'd....write it down, take a picture, chisel it in stone, that is the 1 and only outcome of that matchup FACT. I read a lot of "if _____ catches Wlad"....but I don't read many "If Wlad lands the right cross _____" because there's no IF about it, he will land it and it WILL be goodnight sweetheart and that's the real reason why Chicken Little doesn't want the fight. Why fight the big boys of the division when you can stick to fighting guys who are 36 or older and that is all he has fought at heavyweight, look at Killersheep's numbers, he put them up there for everyone to see: Valuev, Ruiz, Barrett, Audley all of them north of 36 years old and IF they had primes they are all well past them.

I already know that. But if Haye was this massive superstar, he doesn't need to piggy back on the no. 1 p4p fighter's back right? Tyson in his prime didn't need to piggy back on Marvin Hagler's (the no. 1 p4p fighter in the 80s) back, Ali didn't need to piggyback on Roberto Duran's back in the 70s, Jack Dempsey didn't need to piggy back on Benny Leonard's back or Joe Louis didn't need to piggy back on 1 of Ray Robinson's fights. If you're a superstar HW champ you can sell it on your own. But the fact of the matter is Haye isn't.

[Fenster]

What's all this "piggyback" bullshit? Come on now get real.

1. Pac is not PPV in Britain (apart from being part of Hatton's PPV).

2. Haye sold near 1 million PPVs against Valuev and 600,000 against Ruiz. Who was he piggybacking on in these?

3. PLEASE someone show me where it says Pac-Margarito is on the Haye PPV.

[killersheep]

What's all this "piggyback" bullshit? Come on now get real.

1. Pac is not PPV in Britain (apart from being part of Hatton's PPV).

2. Haye sold near 1 million PPVs against Valuev and 600,000 against Ruiz. Who was he piggybacking on in these?

3. PLEASE someone show me where it says Pac-Margarito is on the Haye PPV.

It was an old boxrec article (by old I mean like 45 days old), I'll try to find it.

[armin]

Simply put haye is not getting in the ring with em till he's ready to cash out. First he was going to take their heads of no matter what the deal was, then the offers were unfair and disrespectful, and now a complete 50/50 split down the middle is still unfair. Honestly the klits need to just forget about haye go about destroying everyone else they face cause haye is a joke acting like he's the greatest of the great. Naturally he's still got people buying his bs and defending him.

[rjj tszyu]

What's all this "piggyback" bullshit? Come on now get real.

1. Pac is not PPV in Britain (apart from being part of Hatton's PPV).

2. Haye sold near 1 million PPVs against Valuev and 600,000 against Ruiz. Who was he piggybacking on in these?

3. PLEASE someone show me where it says Pac-Margarito is on the Haye PPV.

Pac - ODLH was part of Khans comeback PPV, so Hatton isn't the only PPV he has been on. This was supposed to be a huge double header for Sky with Haye fighting over here and then off to Vegas for Pac-Floyd, but as that didn't happen I am just assuming that they have kept Pac as part of the deal. Haye had been saying he was fighting on the 13th November since the date was put forward as a possibility for Pac-Mayweather.

I think that Haye-Audley will match if not better Haye-Valuev whether Pac was on it or not just due to it being 2 Brits fighting for a HW belt. Haye is getting more and more popular over here and is becoming a household name and Audley is known as something of a laughing stock by everyone in the country. People want to see KO's in HW boxing and they want to be entertained watching it, that is what Haye-Audley will bring and that is why people will pay for it.

The amount of people who are what i'd call fringe boxing fans watched Wlad-Peter and were turning it off bored by the 6th round is frightening for HW boxing and is not good for the sport. We need these people to be watching boxing and getting excited by it because they are watching it to be entertained not because they love the sport come rain or shine (like the majority of posters here do) and they are the people who will make up the PPV numbers at the end of the day!

[killersheep]

Unusually, Haye kept silent for a while, but eventually responded. He insists the back injury that forced the cancellation of the 2009 bout with Wladimir was legitimate and that he chose to challenge Valuev rather than Vitali because he received a far better financial offer with less onerous options. Addressing his fans on youtube, he blamed the failure of the 2010 negotiations on the Ukranians, saying he demanded a 50-50 split, but Klitschko rejected it citing conditions laid down by his German TV contract. "I then said, 'Okay you keep 100 percent of German television money and I keep 100 percent of UK TV money. And we split everything else 50-50.' He didn't answer that. So I gave him two options, and he flat out refused both of them."

-December issue of The Ring Magazine article by Gavin Evans with quotes from David Haye.

So clearly not only is someone backing out of this through the negotiations game, but also one of the two has blatantly lied. I'm not saying it's Haye, it could be either one of them. Either way though, Haye has acknowledged here he was okay with a 50/50 split including TV options. The thing we don't know is who first approached who, as they have both claimed to have initiated a total 50/50 split offer, whomever made the offer first therefore is telling the truth.

[Fenster]

What's all this "piggyback" bullshit? Come on now get real.

1. Pac is not PPV in Britain (apart from being part of Hatton's PPV).

2. Haye sold near 1 million PPVs against Valuev and 600,000 against Ruiz. Who was he piggybacking on in these?

3. PLEASE someone show me where it says Pac-Margarito is on the Haye PPV.

Pac - ODLH was part of Khans comeback PPV, so Hatton isn't the only PPV he has been on. This was supposed to be a huge double header for Sky with Haye fighting over here and then off to Vegas for Pac-Floyd, but as that didn't happen I am just assuming that they have kept Pac as part of the deal. Haye had been saying he was fighting on the 13th November since the date was put forward as a possibility for Pac-Mayweather.

I think that Haye-Audley will match if not better Haye-Valuev whether Pac was on it or not just due to it being 2 Brits fighting for a HW belt. Haye is getting more and more popular over here and is becoming a household name and Audley is known as something of a laughing stock by everyone in the country. People want to see KO's in HW boxing and they want to be entertained watching it, that is what Haye-Audley will bring and that is why people will pay for it.

The amount of people who are what i'd call fringe boxing fans watched Wlad-Peter and were turning it off bored by the 6th round is frightening for HW boxing and is not good for the sport. We need these people to be watching boxing and getting excited by it because they are watching it to be entertained not because they love the sport come rain or shine (like the majority of posters here do) and they are the people who will make up the PPV numbers at the end of the day!

Same thing I'm talking about. They were on Khan's PPV, which would have been PPV regardless, and had they not fought on that date, Sky would have shown it FREE or not at all (that was Khan's comeback fight with Fagin and clearly needed bolstering) .

These guys wrongly believe that a 4am American fight, that doesn't invlove a British superstar, will somehow distort the numbers for Haye's upcoming PPV. Even though he's a PROVEN huge PPV seller, and standalone 4am American PPVs don't happen unless a British star is involved.

Clutching at straws. Fact.

[killersheep]

What's all this "piggyback" bullshit? Come on now get real.

1. Pac is not PPV in Britain (apart from being part of Hatton's PPV).

2. Haye sold near 1 million PPVs against Valuev and 600,000 against Ruiz. Who was he piggybacking on in these?

3. PLEASE someone show me where it says Pac-Margarito is on the Haye PPV.

Pac - ODLH was part of Khans comeback PPV, so Hatton isn't the only PPV he has been on. This was supposed to be a huge double header for Sky with Haye fighting over here and then off to Vegas for Pac-Floyd, but as that didn't happen I am just assuming that they have kept Pac as part of the deal. Haye had been saying he was fighting on the 13th November since the date was put forward as a possibility for Pac-Mayweather.

I think that Haye-Audley will match if not better Haye-Valuev whether Pac was on it or not just due to it being 2 Brits fighting for a HW belt. Haye is getting more and more popular over here and is becoming a household name and Audley is known as something of a laughing stock by everyone in the country. People want to see KO's in HW boxing and they want to be entertained watching it, that is what Haye-Audley will bring and that is why people will pay for it.

The amount of people who are what i'd call fringe boxing fans watched Wlad-Peter and were turning it off bored by the 6th round is frightening for HW boxing and is not good for the sport. We need these people to be watching boxing and getting excited by it because they are watching it to be entertained not because they love the sport come rain or shine (like the majority of posters here do) and they are the people who will make up the PPV numbers at the end of the day!

Same thing I'm talking about. They were on Khan's PPV, which would have been PPV regardless, and had they not fought on that date, Sky would have shown it FREE or not at all (that was Khan's comeback fight with Fagin and clearly needed bolstering) .

These guys wrongly believe that a 4am American fight, that doesn't invlove a British superstar, will somehow distort the numbers for Haye's upcoming PPV. Even though he's a PROVEN huge PPV seller, and standalone 4am American PPVs don't happen unless a British star is involved.

Clutching at straws. Fact.

No no, I was under the impression that Pac/Margarito was included on the same card, I obviously was mistaken on that point as I can't find the article now, although was rjjtszyu was on the money that there was discussion that Pac/$May would have been included on the card (the reason Haye picked the date originally) and the Pac may be given the piggy back option even after his negotiations with Mayweather fell through. This is clearly not the case now though and I stand corrected.

Haye will definitely sell a lot of PPV and has become a pretty big draw. Although the article I posted Haye states clearly that he originally offered a 50/50 split including TV options. So how is it stealing if it's offered?

[ono]

What's all this "piggyback" bullshit? Come on now get real.

1. Pac is not PPV in Britain (apart from being part of Hatton's PPV).

2. Haye sold near 1 million PPVs against Valuev and 600,000 against Ruiz. Who was he piggybacking on in these?

3. PLEASE someone show me where it says Pac-Margarito is on the Haye PPV.

Pac - ODLH was part of Khans comeback PPV, so Hatton isn't the only PPV he has been on. This was supposed to be a huge double header for Sky with Haye fighting over here and then off to Vegas for Pac-Floyd, but as that didn't happen I am just assuming that they have kept Pac as part of the deal. Haye had been saying he was fighting on the 13th November since the date was put forward as a possibility for Pac-Mayweather.

I think that Haye-Audley will match if not better Haye-Valuev whether Pac was on it or not just due to it being 2 Brits fighting for a HW belt. Haye is getting more and more popular over here and is becoming a household name and Audley is known as something of a laughing stock by everyone in the country. People want to see KO's in HW boxing and they want to be entertained watching it, that is what Haye-Audley will bring and that is why people will pay for it.

The amount of people who are what i'd call fringe boxing fans watched Wlad-Peter and were turning it off bored by the 6th round is frightening for HW boxing and is not good for the sport. We need these people to be watching boxing and getting excited by it because they are watching it to be entertained not because they love the sport come rain or shine (like the majority of posters here do) and they are the people who will make up the PPV numbers at the end of the day!

Same thing I'm talking about. They were on Khan's PPV, which would have been PPV regardless, and had they not fought on that date, Sky would have shown it FREE or not at all (that was Khan's comeback fight with Fagin and clearly needed bolstering) .

These guys wrongly believe that a 4am American fight, that doesn't invlove a British superstar, will somehow distort the numbers for Haye's upcoming PPV. Even though he's a PROVEN huge PPV seller, and standalone 4am American PPVs don't happen unless a British star is involved.

Clutching at straws. Fact.

Mate you're wasting your time. You're responding to people who made their minds up months ago.