So How Good was Marvin Hagler Exactly?

[El Kabong]

I think in a hypothetical Haggler vs Monzon matchup you'd have to lean towards Marvin for the following reasons...
#1 He's a southpaw, the jab (no matter how great) would have not been the wise punch to keep pushing out there.

#2 Haggler's work rate, he worked every second of every round

#3 Haggler's chin, if he could take flush shots from Tommy Hearns he could take shots from anyone

#4 Distance, Haggler would smother Monzon. Monzon was a fighter who liked to get lots of leverage on his punches and it's hard to transfer that weight from the back foot to the front foot when someone is right in your chest.

I just think if you're going to beat Marvin Haggler you'd either need big time Bob Foster type power or loads of speed and either way you'd need great stamina and solid defense.

[THE THIRD MAN]

I think Monzon would have belted Hagler, Monzon was a lot tougher than Hearns and that right hand was paralyzing. The southpaws worst enemy!

[El Kabong]

I think Monzon would have belted Hagler, Monzon was a lot tougher than Hearns and that right hand was paralyzing. The southpaws worst enemy!

I stand by my answer, Haggler is too tough and too relentless for Monzon

[Dark Lord Al]

Prime for Prime Hagler beats Monzon by late ko or UD .
Monzon was just to robotic , Marvin would have beaten him for sure.

[Fran@myboxingcoach]

I would have to lean toward Marvin also, but that's not to say that Monzon couldn't have won! Check out the Willie 'The Worm' fight; similar build/height to Monzon but not nearly as intense and Willie had troubled Marvin in previous encounters. If it would have happened with both fighters at their peak then it would have been the war of wars. As for the right hand, Hagler was an incredibly versatile and clever fighter and he would have dealt with Carlos' right hand by simply moving to Monzon's left behind the metronomic piston of a double and triple jab.

Marvin by late KO or points.

Top thread by the way boys, as always I find some real boxing brains on Saddo. Long may it continue!!!!

[DaxxKahn]

I always looked at Marvin as one of the few fighters in history you never need to question how good he really was or if he was over rated etc....Hagler fought in a very strong era of MWTS he could take a punch like very few and he could dish out the punishment just as well if not better...Marvin in the clutch never fell apart and he never backed down....

The punches Hagler took from John Mugabi would have retired most fighters and made Hagler piss pure blood for almost a week straight.....When Hearns had the better of him Hagler did what a champion does and makes you come take what belonged to him he was not laying down be it quiet or otherwise....

Hagler was simply put Hagler and the moniker "Marvelous" fit perfectly...Always a gentleman, always in shape, always ready to fight who was next in line without a question or complaint....

After the Leonard fight Hagler walked away from the sport rightfully so because he gave boxing what it asked for in a champion, fighter and representive of the game...In return he was screwed and treated like another fighter to help the Leonard bandwagon keep going and in losing was not even given credit for the performance while he deserved to still hold his title..... almost as if he was robbed called the police and they arrested him.

Hagler would have beaten Monzon, Hopkins and Jones on will alone......Perhaps the greatest MW to ever wear the title

[generalbulldog]

Monzon liked to come into his fights with a half ass training camp. If he did that in a hypothetical matchup with Hagler, Monzon ain't walking out of that ring as champ or with his senses intact.

[southpawed]

I think in a hypothetical Haggler vs Monzon matchup you'd have to lean towards Marvin for the following reasons...
#1 He's a southpaw, the jab (no matter how great) would have not been the wise punch to keep pushing out there.

#2 Haggler's work rate, he worked every second of every round

#3 Haggler's chin, if he could take flush shots from Tommy Hearns he could take shots from anyone

#4 Distance, Haggler would smother Monzon. Monzon was a fighter who liked to get lots of leverage on his punches and it's hard to transfer that weight from the back foot to the front foot when someone is right in your chest.

I just think if you're going to beat Marvin Haggler you'd either need big time Bob Foster type power or loads of speed and either way you'd need great stamina and solid defense.

question on number one. why do you think the jab would have been a bad punch to employ against southpaw Hagler? Just out of curiousity btw.

[Mr140]

Well Daxx how do you see it did Marvin not lose first part of the fight. Was it not a close fight in your eyes i think it was pretty close. Not only that but Leonard was pretty much consider done after the Hearns fight, because he almost lost vision in one eye. Pretty much it was chicken shit of Marvin to give up and not do a rematch. Leonard and Hagler fight was close and every time we do score cards its close.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Pretty much it was chicken shit of Marvin to give up and not do a rematch.

Marv had been there and done it... For so many years! I'm quite surprised that anyone would think that he was chickenshit for anything?! But I guess you are genuine in your opinion... Leonard was one of the original cherry-pickers... Hate to say it but he was. I guess Hagler was kinda ready to be cherry-picked

But even so... How do we know Leonard would of even gave him a rematch For example, how many years was it before he gave Hearns another go?

Either way Hagler was clearly sick of boxing. He left and never came back for that reason alone. Research will show you this

[Master]

Well Daxx how do you see it did Marvin not lose first part of the fight. Was it not a close fight in your eyes i think it was pretty close. Not only that but Leonard was pretty much consider done after the Hearns fight, because he almost lost vision in one eye. Pretty much it was chicken shit of Marvin to give up and not do a rematch. Leonard and Hagler fight was close and every time we do score cards its close.

The ref that saw it 118-111 or something was certainly blind.

[Mr140]

I don't really think Leonard was much of a cherry picker he beat Benitez who was undefeated, then goes 1 and 1 with Duran, then goes on to KO a unbeaten Hearns. Reason rematches were so late is because of Leonard's eye injury and him not fight for some time after the Hearns fight. Also Master i agree the 118-111 score is BS but i saw the fight 115-113 in favor of Leonard and thought it was very close.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I don't really think Leonard was much of a cherry picker he beat Benitez who was undefeated, then goes 1 and 1 with Duran, then goes on to KO a unbeaten Hearns. Reason rematches were so late is because of Leonard's eye injury and him not fight for some time after the Hearns fight. Also Master i agree the 118-111 score is BS but i saw the fight 115-113 in favor of Leonard and thought it was very close.

Fair comment but Leonard comeback was fairly greasy and Hagler was no Chickenshit.