Watching UFC as a boxing fan

[mattboxingfan]

That was Dan Hardy my favorite UFC fighter I love boxing and MMA it depends on you as a person if you like fighting on a whole you should like MMA its as raw as you can get to a fighting sport. Boxing is one dimensional it isn't fighting its punching thats not real. MMA is everything mixed into one thats real, thats a fight. Any way these guys chose to do it they love the sport there in and get paid to get in shape and fight!?!? Thats why you don't hear them complaining about how brutal the sport is so what's the point in us doing it?

Wtf?

You come out with some of the oddest statements.

Pointless post really unless your going to elaborate? It's true boxing is one dimension in fighting, to say boxing is fighting would be total BS its just punching.

[mattboxingfan]

Boxing IS fighting from my viewpoint. I wouldn't dare kick someone or hit a downed opponent. Maybe I put myself at a disadvantage but that's the price I pay for having a certain amount of couth and not being some knuckle dragging savage

Boxing is but an aspect of fighting its a small part of stand up. So you mean to say if you were in a fight with someone and they got close to you so punches would be almost ineffective you would use a knee or elbow? If someone had kicked you when you were down then you got the chance to do so back to them you would turn it down? Why your view of MMA fighters is so low is beyond me. There are people out there would say to men in a ring punching each other is idiotic but thats because they don't understand the sport and you obviously don't understand MMA.

Matty nothing personal but this is a dumb argument. First of all, MMA isn't real fighting. Real fighting is real fighting, where literally anything happens. No setting people up for a guillotine or anything like that, no weapons, people wear gloves etc. It's a sport, that's why it has rules. Boxing is also a sport, it's why it has rules. They're both fighting sports but to argue one is better because it is 'more like fighting' is dumb because neither of them are actual no holds barred fighting. Also, boxing is just one part of MMA standup like Joe ROgan says. Most MMA fighters, even ones with a boxing base style, have completely ignored some very basic boxing fundamentals like good head movement and other things. Secondly, boxing is a sport with it's own set of rules that have been very successful. Boxing is a specialty, it takes years and years perfecting your boxing while someone can go into MMA with knowledge of only one discipline and take a few years to round out their skills and beat anybody. What's really harder? It's hard to say. MMA and boxing need to stop being compared, also I don't like MMA simply because so much of the standup is reminiscent to watching a Toughman competition. It's just not appealing.

However, as far as the strikes while downed being dangerous, they definitely are and Bisping got the worst of it by Henderson BUT it's still safer then boxing. Boxing gives you a standing 8 to collect yourself and go get on your feet to take punishment when really you shouldn't be. At least when you're out in MMA, you can take 2-3 shots max. In boxing you can take hundreds of more shots when in MMA you would have been stopped the first or second time you got hit cleanly and hurt.

MMA is as real a fighting sport as your ever going to get legalized and if you see the original MMA that was pure fighting in a cage. I never said one was better. If you come into MMA with one discipline you lose (James Toney, Kimbo Slice) God knows why your arguing with me? I've been saying boxing is just as brutal and there in bold you agree so what's your point?

[ono]

That was Dan Hardy my favorite UFC fighter I love boxing and MMA it depends on you as a person if you like fighting on a whole you should like MMA its as raw as you can get to a fighting sport. Boxing is one dimensional it isn't fighting its punching thats not real. MMA is everything mixed into one thats real, thats a fight. Any way these guys chose to do it they love the sport there in and get paid to get in shape and fight!?!? Thats why you don't hear them complaining about how brutal the sport is so what's the point in us doing it?

Wtf?

You come out with some of the oddest statements.

Pointless post really unless your going to elaborate? It's true boxing is one dimension in fighting, to say boxing is fighting would be total BS its just punching.

Yeah but i don't think anybody in here gives a shit whether or not Boxing replicates fighting. Maybe that's the difference between the average Boxing fan and the average MMA fan.

[GuyIncognito76]

And fencing isn't really sword fighting. This is a very silly point that is being argued here.

[El Kabong]

And fencing isn't really sword fighting. This is a very silly point that is being argued here.

And I noticed the omission of Ray Mercer too

[Majesty]

MMA fighters have shoddy boxing skills compared to world boxers.

World boxers have shoddy MMA skills compared to world class MMA fighters.

Neither is more difficult shoddy technique in one aspect can be reversed the other way around, its a dumb argument imo.

[El Kabong]

mattboxingfan, each time Dan Hardy throws the left hook he drops his right. This is poor boxing technique and because of that poor boxing technique he lost.

Look at when Rampage KO'd Liddell, it was because Chuck dropped his guard.

The issue with the MMA guys trying to box is that they either push or wing their their punches or they try to act like Roy Jones Jr. and fight with their guard down and I'll bet you they have no freaking clue why certain boxers fight like that and even if they did they don't have knowledge to carry out a fight like that without getting bombed out by someone who is a little more technically sound.

There are some MMA fighters that could have been decent boxers had they been trained in just boxing from the get go but if you took ANYONE in MMA I could pick a non-champion boxer that would whip their ass in a boxing ring.

[skel1983]

That was Dan Hardy my favorite UFC fighter I love boxing and MMA it depends on you as a person if you like fighting on a whole you should like MMA its as raw as you can get to a fighting sport. Boxing is one dimensional it isn't fighting its punching thats not real. MMA is everything mixed into one thats real, thats a fight. Any way these guys chose to do it they love the sport there in and get paid to get in shape and fight!?!? Thats why you don't hear them complaining about how brutal the sport is so what's the point in us doing it?

Wtf?

You come out with some of the oddest statements.

Pointless post really unless your going to elaborate? It's true boxing is one dimension in fighting, to say boxing is fighting would be total BS its just punching.

Mate what the fuck you on about boxing is boxing it is not called fighting is it?

Boxing is a sport that is not just one dimension of fighting all this UFC Bullshit about " boxing is just one dimension blah blah blah " Boxing is a sport and an art form I don't watch boxing because you see blood and guts like most of the retards you see at the ufc cards in the uk, who come to see some guy get pummeled in the head with elbows and theywan't to see blood and guts.

[VictorCharlie]

ahhh somethings never change....I can see in my several months absence that the boxing board is still having its monthly bash mma thread. I've argued on this far too much but I will leave you with a link listing every boxing fatality since 1732 through 2007. If we say MMA as we know it started circa 1990 then boxing has 90 something fatalities through 2007 to MMA's 3. I'd imagine if we added the last three years boxing would be over 100 to MMA's 3. Hard to argue MMA's barbaric nature against those numbers. Entertainment value is subjective but to argue the athleticism, talent or sportsmanship of most MMA fighters is pretty silly to me.

Journal of Combative Sport: Boxing Fatalities Data, SvinthJack Broughton

[GuyIncognito76]

ahhh somethings never change....I can see in my several months absence that the boxing board is still having its monthly bash mma thread. I've argued on this far too much but I will leave you with a link listing every boxing fatality since 1732 through 2007. If we say MMA as we know it started circa 1990 then boxing has 90 something fatalities through 2007 to MMA's 3. I'd imagine if we added the last three years boxing would be over 100 to MMA's 3. Hard to argue MMA's barbaric nature against those numbers. Entertainment value is subjective but to argue the athleticism, talent or sportsmanship of most MMA fighters is pretty silly to me.

Journal of Combative Sport: Boxing Fatalities Data, SvinthJack Broughton

Says the man with an assault rifle as his avatar. Next.

[GuyIncognito76]

Obviously I have no idea whether that is an assault rifle, or not, as I am a civilised human being.

<edit> and this was all before I noticed that you misappropriate George Orwell. As I said, "next".

[Drago]

found this

interesting!

http://www.mensfitness.co.uk/exercis...ul_taylor.html

[VictorCharlie]

Nothing like personal attacks to strengthen your own arguments. Its a National Match Springfield M1A in a JAE stock with a high powered scope that I use for competition shooting and some hunting. Not sure why owning it and knowing what it is makes me uncivilized but way to stay on topic. Considering that Orwell was a veteran and by all accounts served very well I think my use of his quote is very fitting for me. Some reason you feel the necessity to call me out though?

[GuyIncognito76]

Nothing like personal attacks to strengthen your own arguments. Its a National Match Springfield M1A in a JAE stock with a high powered scope that I use for competition shooting and some hunting. Not sure why owning it and knowing what it is makes me uncivilized but way to stay on topic. Considering that Orwell was a veteran and by all accounts served very well I think my use of his quote is very fitting for me. Some reason you feel the necessity to call me out though?

But also a great, big, giant socialist which I'm guessing you're not?

Although, of course, apologies if you are.

My original argument was simply about the amount of protection given to a downed/prone fighter in MMA. Stats lie, we all know that, how many more boxing matches are there than MMA?

It may be a personal belief but I don't like seeing people smacked in the head when they're laying on the ground gasping for air.

[VictorCharlie]

While I wouldn't vote old George into a political office it stands to say I would gladly have stood shoulder to shoulder with him on the battlefield. Anyway....

Like I said entertainment value is subjective. But I think differentiating Briggs taking a severe beating for four more rounds than he probably should have and a downed fighter in MMA taking a couple of extra shots is kind of splitting hairs. You don't have to like the sport but to feign distaste due to its savageness compared to boxing just isn't supported by the numbers IMHO. Hell even American Football has much more fatalities than MMA.