One month out and Martinez is 176 pounds....meanwhile Williams is at 162

[Rantcatrat]

williams and martinez are exactly the kind of defensively incompetent hacks that would make floyd mayweather jr look like the second coming of sugar ray robinson.

pacquiao is the only one with a decent chance

how is pacquiao good defensively?

[killersheep]

williams and martinez are exactly the kind of defensively incompetent hacks that would make floyd mayweather jr look like the second coming of sugar ray robinson.

pacquiao is the only one with a decent chance

how is pacquiao good defensively?

I had a whole long response typed up and decided it wasn't worth it. I don't know how this always happens there is a catch weight fight against two guys that left it all in the ring last time, there is a weight concern in one of the parties which is a good topic of discussion, yet some how it became a topic about Mayweather and Pacquiao, even though there is a snowball's chance in hell Williams or Martinez will ever fight Mayweather of Pacquiao. Not a response to you, a response to bkolz.

[Rantcatrat]

williams and martinez are exactly the kind of defensively incompetent hacks that would make floyd mayweather jr look like the second coming of sugar ray robinson.

pacquiao is the only one with a decent chance

how is pacquiao good defensively?

I had a whole long response typed up and decided it wasn't worth it. I don't know how this always happens there is a catch weight fight against two guys that left it all in the ring last time, there is a weight concern in one of the parties which is a good topic of discussion, yet some how it became a topic about Mayweather and Pacquiao, even though there is a snowball's chance in hell Williams or Martinez will ever fight Mayweather of Pacquiao. Not a response to you, a response to bkolz.

i completely agree. sorry for adding to the tangent. well, do you think dropping that much weight will affect martinez? do you know if he actually usually does it?

[Gandalf]

Fightnews now saying Martinez is 'on target'.

Boxing - Martinez on target for Williams

That might well be the case, but he looks a bit flabby in that picture with the punch bag to me. But still a good four weeks away from fight time. A lot of bloaters look like that a good month away from getting in the ring. I am going to assume it won't be a massive problem, but I honestly never expected it from someone like Martinez who always seems like 'Mr reflexes, movement and speed'. You expect it more of the grafters like Hatton and Duran rather than the flashers.

[bkolz]

Fightnews now saying Martinez is 'on target'.

That might well be the case, but he looks a bit flabby in that picture with the punch bag to me. But still a good four weeks away from fight time. A lot of bloaters look like that a good month away from getting in the ring. I am going to assume it won't be a massive problem, but I honestly never expected it from someone like Martinez who always seems like 'Mr reflexes, movement and speed'. You expect it more of the grafters like Hatton and Duran rather than the flashers.

how many duran fights have you seen?

[Gandalf]

Fightnews now saying Martinez is 'on target'.

That might well be the case, but he looks a bit flabby in that picture with the punch bag to me. But still a good four weeks away from fight time. A lot of bloaters look like that a good month away from getting in the ring. I am going to assume it won't be a massive problem, but I honestly never expected it from someone like Martinez who always seems like 'Mr reflexes, movement and speed'. You expect it more of the grafters like Hatton and Duran rather than the flashers.

how many duran fights have you seen?

Quite a few. Why?

[No Contest]

Fightnews now saying Martinez is 'on target'.

Boxing - Martinez on target for Williams

That might well be the case, but he looks a bit flabby in that picture with the punch bag to me. But still a good four weeks away from fight time. A lot of bloaters look like that a good month away from getting in the ring. I am going to assume it won't be a massive problem, but I honestly never expected it from someone like Martinez who always seems like 'Mr reflexes, movement and speed'. You expect it more of the grafters like Hatton and Duran rather than the flashers.

Damage control , few days after the 30 day weigh in where he was 19 lbs over(within requirements)they drop this article, but I still think he is gonna lose some quickness and may fade late. Williams is good shape, not having to lose much weight at all.

[The Fightfan]

Just got me tickets to the fight yesterday. Damn I can't wait for this one.

[JazMerkin]

Fightnews now saying Martinez is 'on target'.

Boxing - Martinez on target for Williams

That might well be the case, but he looks a bit flabby in that picture with the punch bag to me. But still a good four weeks away from fight time. A lot of bloaters look like that a good month away from getting in the ring. I am going to assume it won't be a massive problem, but I honestly never expected it from someone like Martinez who always seems like 'Mr reflexes, movement and speed'. You expect it more of the grafters like Hatton and Duran rather than the flashers.

Duran was not a 'grafter', he's one of the most technically skilled fighters in the sport's history. He only gets this rep because of his fights with Leonard, where he looked to brawl because his opponent was quicker and more technically adept from range. Seriously, Hatton was more skilled than he gets credit for, but the term grafter is fair for him. Duran it really isn't, the guy was a technical marvel who doesn't get the cred for it because he liked fights to be rough. You can do both.

Anyway back onto the point, I read today on ESPN that Martinez is now at 169. Considering the fight is scheduled to be at 158 & is 3 weeks away, that is definitely doable without doing the body in. If anything I think there maybe a danger where Williams overtrains or his body is coming in as if he's fighting as a LMW rather than a MW, which could see him in a lot of trouble. As for him being overrated, meh, I think he's one of those guys who get underrated by those who aren't fans & well overrated by those who love him. This whole ducking thing is a pile of shite, if he built himself up a following enough to at least sell out where he's fighting then he might have a point. He's got the style, but he lacks the personality big-time.

[No Contest]

In response to the above post: Last time I checked this wasnt a popularity contest, but I guess its all about who your promoter is and how many tickets you can sell, compared to actual skill/wins. When is the last time you heard someone call out Paul Williams.....Dzinzurik is the only guy I can remember actually calling him out.

[JazMerkin]

In response to the above post: Last time I checked this wasnt a popularity contest, but I guess its all about who your promoter is and how many tickets you can sell, compared to actual skill/wins. When is the last time you heard someone call out Paul Williams.....Dzinzurik is the only guy I can remember actually calling him out.

It's ALWAYS been a popularity contest. You have to make it so they can't ignore you, examples go all the way back to Jack Johnson. As for no one calling him out, it just happens someone did today

Matthew Macklin: I Would Love To Fight Paul Williams - Boxing News

[Gandalf]

Fightnews now saying Martinez is 'on target'.

Boxing - Martinez on target for Williams

That might well be the case, but he looks a bit flabby in that picture with the punch bag to me. But still a good four weeks away from fight time. A lot of bloaters look like that a good month away from getting in the ring. I am going to assume it won't be a massive problem, but I honestly never expected it from someone like Martinez who always seems like 'Mr reflexes, movement and speed'. You expect it more of the grafters like Hatton and Duran rather than the flashers.

Duran was not a 'grafter', he's one of the most technically skilled fighters in the sport's history. He only gets this rep because of his fights with Leonard, where he looked to brawl because his opponent was quicker and more technically adept from range. Seriously, Hatton was more skilled than he gets credit for, but the term grafter is fair for him. Duran it really isn't, the guy was a technical marvel who doesn't get the cred for it because he liked fights to be rough. You can do both.

Anyway back onto the point, I read today on ESPN that Martinez is now at 169. Considering the fight is scheduled to be at 158 & is 3 weeks away, that is definitely doable without doing the body in. If anything I think there maybe a danger where Williams overtrains or his body is coming in as if he's fighting as a LMW rather than a MW, which could see him in a lot of trouble. As for him being overrated, meh, I think he's one of those guys who get underrated by those who aren't fans & well overrated by those who love him. This whole ducking thing is a pile of shite, if he built himself up a following enough to at least sell out where he's fighting then he might have a point. He's got the style, but he lacks the personality big-time.

Duran was not a Leonard or a Mayweather. He was what I term a 'grafter'. A fighter that works hard and tries to work you into submission. That is not to say that he wasn't with considerable skills. No elite fighter is without skills and indeed Duran is one of the greats. It is a style that I actually have a preference for, so I don't know why people are getting so precious about it.

Should I call him a 'skilled grafter' instead? My main point was fighters that burn weight tend to be those that rely less on raw athleticism, and I regard Duran as a durable hard worker in a different vein to some of the silkier fighters on boxing history. It is no slur and I stand by what I said.

[generalbulldog]

After reading the last few posts. I just have 1 question. WTF is a "grafter?"

[bkolz]

williams and martinez are exactly the kind of defensively incompetent hacks that would make floyd mayweather jr look like the second coming of sugar ray robinson.

pacquiao is the only one with a decent chance

how is pacquiao good defensively?

I had a whole long response typed up and decided it wasn't worth it. I don't know how this always happens there is a catch weight fight against two guys that left it all in the ring last time, there is a weight concern in one of the parties which is a good topic of discussion, yet some how it became a topic about Mayweather and Pacquiao, even though there is a snowball's chance in hell Williams or Martinez will ever fight Mayweather of Pacquiao. Not a response to you, a response to bkolz.

just responding to the guy before me