Now some time has passed.. Your final vote on Pac's refusal...

[ross]

This is another thing that makes me laugh. people who say "yeah but Pacquiao has only gained 15lb" or what ever of muscle.

Ok Manny started out small but he was basically just a child still. I would say though that at 24 he was a mature grown man and he was fighting at 120lb, Super Bantam. He has put on 25lb of lean mass/muscle since then and no one could cut that much natural lean mass and be competetive in a boxing match.

He has put on 25lb or 20% of his natural body weight over the last 7 years!!

That would be like an average man of 12 stone going up to 14 and a half stone. Now with ilegal substances that is nothing fantastic although still good but we are trying to imagine a fighter who is constantly training and burning energy putting this mass on and remaining competetive.

For a start, I know little about body building but I do know that it would be very hard for Manny to put that size on because of all the boxing training. He isnt a body builder that is aiming to put muscle on. He isnt doing heavy weights and taking long rests and eating shed loads to allow extra calories for the muscles to grow.

He is a fighter whos training and aims are to stay low in body fat and high in stamina and fitness. I just find it unbelievable that he can grow so much without help.

[skel1983]

This is another thing that makes me laugh. people who say "yeah but Pacquiao has only gained 15lb" or what ever of muscle.

Ok Manny started out small but he was basically just a child still. I would say though that at 24 he was a mature grown man and he was fighting at 120lb, Super Bantam. He has put on 25lb of lean mass/muscle since then and no one could cut that much natural lean mass and be competetive in a boxing match.

He has put on 25lb or 20% of his natural body weight over the last 7 years!!

That would be like an average man of 12 stone going up to 14 and a half stone. Now with ilegal substances that is nothing fantastic although still good but we are trying to imagine a fighter who is constantly training and burning energy putting this mass on and remaining competetive.

For a start, I know little about body building but I do know that it would be very hard for Manny to put that size on because of all the boxing training. He isnt a body builder that is aiming to put muscle on. He isnt doing heavy weights and taking long rests and eating shed loads to allow extra calories for the muscles to grow.

He is a fighter whos training and aims are to stay low in body fat and high in stamina and fitness. I just find it unbelievable that he can grow so much without help.

He hasn't put that amount on you need to account the weight on fight night when hydrated rather than the weigh in, so in them seven years he has actually put on around 15lbs which is nothing amazing in truth.

[ono]

This is another thing that makes me laugh. people who say "yeah but Pacquiao has only gained 15lb" or what ever of muscle.

Ok Manny started out small but he was basically just a child still. I would say though that at 24 he was a mature grown man and he was fighting at 120lb, Super Bantam. He has put on 25lb of lean mass/muscle since then and no one could cut that much natural lean mass and be competetive in a boxing match.

He has put on 25lb or 20% of his natural body weight over the last 7 years!!

That would be like an average man of 12 stone going up to 14 and a half stone. Now with ilegal substances that is nothing fantastic although still good but we are trying to imagine a fighter who is constantly training and burning energy putting this mass on and remaining competetive.

For a start, I know little about body building but I do know that it would be very hard for Manny to put that size on because of all the boxing training. He isnt a body builder that is aiming to put muscle on. He isnt doing heavy weights and taking long rests and eating shed loads to allow extra calories for the muscles to grow.

He is a fighter whos training and aims are to stay low in body fat and high in stamina and fitness. I just find it unbelievable that he can grow so much without help.

Of course you can. You just need to adapt the nutrition to surpass the energy requirements. Because Pacquio's enery requirements are so high, his nutritional needs will also be high - around 8,000 calories per day in his case, which is similar to Michael Phelps by the way - another extremely lean top level athlete.

The fact that he was fighting at Bantamweight doesn't actually have anything to do with that being his natural weight. It's very possible that as a younger fighter he was under-nutritioned or malnourished in an athletic sense. You can bet your bottom dollar he didn't have a 8,000 calorie a day plan when he was in his early 20's.

When he moved up to Super featherweight, his actual fight night weight was around 141lbs. At that point, nobody was suspicous about anything. Since then, he may have moved up several divisions, but his actual weight come fight night has only increased by around 8 or 9 lbs.

His fight night weight is his more natural weight. His weigh-in weight isn't a good indicator, because it's impossible to tell how empty his glycogen stores are or how dehydrated he is. That can account for quite a bit of weight. You ever see those fad diets where daft women claim they've lost a stone in 2 weeks? That's water and carbohydrate weight gone, from cutting out certain foods. Manny's weigh in weight can give a false reading in terms of what his natural weight actually is, because down at the lower weights where weight-making will have been more of a challenge, he will have depleted himself of water and muscle glycogen much more than he will have to do at the higher weights.

[erics44]

Of course you can. You just need to adapt the nutrition to surpass the energy requirements. Because Pacquio's enery requirements are so high, his nutritional needs will also be high - around 8,000 calories per day in his case, which is similar to Michael Phelps by the way - another extremely lean top level athlete.

The fact that he was fighting at Bantamweight doesn't actually have anything to do with that being his natural weight. It's very possible that as a younger fighter he was under-nutritioned or malnourished in an athletic sense. You can bet your bottom dollar he didn't have a 8,000 calorie a day plan when he was in his early 20's.

its highly unlikely he is eating 8000 calories a day dude, where are you getting your information from

i started a thread on a bodybuilding forum

eating 8000 calories a day and adding lean muscle - UK-Muscle Body Building Community - Bodybuilding Forum

yes these are just random people, who could know nothing but they are also people who dedicate themselves to bodybuilding and nutrician and are constantly looking for ways to gain muscle (lean or not)

[Youngblood]

Of course you can. You just need to adapt the nutrition to surpass the energy requirements. Because Pacquio's enery requirements are so high, his nutritional needs will also be high - around 8,000 calories per day in his case, which is similar to Michael Phelps by the way - another extremely lean top level athlete.

The fact that he was fighting at Bantamweight doesn't actually have anything to do with that being his natural weight. It's very possible that as a younger fighter he was under-nutritioned or malnourished in an athletic sense. You can bet your bottom dollar he didn't have a 8,000 calorie a day plan when he was in his early 20's.

yes these are just brotastic weight lifting effin idiots...

fyp.