Pacman weighs 144.6lbs

[Manju]

I didn't know this was for JrMW Championship. That does make things more interesting though its diminished a tad by the fact that Margarito must make 150. Its not as bad as SRL demanding Lalonde fight at 1671bs only to turn around and claim the LHW title, but these weight demands are getting tedious.

I don't mind one fighter fighting below a divisional weight though. If they want to take the risk, so be it. Its hard to frame that as an advantage, speed notwithstanding. If the speed produced by low weight really cancels out the power and size advantages of a heavier boxer, then why have divisions at all?

I do wonder why Pac is willing to fight Margaito at JrMW but not Mosley or Williams at Welter? If he's willing to go all the way up to JrMW, why not just fight the biggest Welters out there? I know Williams is 6' 1" but Pac could just demand he weigh in on the day of the fight. That would be fairer, and probably more effective, than demanding a lowering of the divisional weight limit.

[Gandalf]

There is nothing wrong with Manny coming in under the limit. It's coming in over the limit that is the problem. My own issue is with catchweights. I just don't think they are neccessary and just detract from a fight. If you want it at JMW then have it at 154. If you still want to come in lighter then fair enough, but it's wrong to limit the other guy to a catchweight IMO.

I also think the whole being a champ in a million different divisions is a bit of a hoax too. Pac doesn't clean out divisions, always enforces catchweights and even then doesn't always fight the best in the division. He's a great fighter, but there is a degree of smoke and mirrors at play with all the headlines about it being for how many weight titles it now is.

[JonesJrMayweather]

I didn't know this was for JrMW Championship. That does make things more interesting though its diminished a tad by the fact that Margarito must make 150. Its not as bad as SRL demanding Lalonde fight at 1671bs only to turn around and claim the LHW title, but these weight demands are getting tedious.

I don't mind one fighter fighting below a divisional weight though. If they want to take the risk, so be it. Its hard to frame that as an advantage, speed notwithstanding. If the speed produced by low weight really cancels out the power and size advantages of a heavier boxer, then why have divisions at all?

I do wonder why Pac is willing to fight Margaito at JrMW but not Mosley or Williams at Welter? If he's willing to go all the way up to JrMW, why not just fight the biggest Welters out there? I know Williams is 6' 1" but Pac could just demand he weigh in on the day of the fight. That would be fairer, and probably more effective, than demanding a lowering of the divisional weight limit.

Guy this has been uncovered already. Roach likes to drain fighters just enough to give Manny the edge to win.

[GAME]

It will be a joke if they make it for the light middleweight title when Pac isnt a light middleweight . He was closer to jnr welter.

If we ignore all the talk of divisional titles and look at the fight for what it is. Pac has given away weight to a guy who used to have a reputation for being a dangerous fighter. Could it play a part? Its only a few pounds. David Haye gave away 100lbs when he fought Valuev and that was an easy fight. 7 stone is significant. I only think the weight in this fight would be significant if both guys were on an equal playing field skillwise but thats not the case. Pac is in his prime whereas Marg got blown away by a washed up 38 year old a couple years ago. There can only be one winner but weve seen bigger upsets I suppose.

[Manju]

I didn't know this was for JrMW Championship. That does make things more interesting though its diminished a tad by the fact that Margarito must make 150. Its not as bad as SRL demanding Lalonde fight at 1671bs only to turn around and claim the LHW title, but these weight demands are getting tedious.

I don't mind one fighter fighting below a divisional weight though. If they want to take the risk, so be it. Its hard to frame that as an advantage, speed notwithstanding. If the speed produced by low weight really cancels out the power and size advantages of a heavier boxer, then why have divisions at all?

I do wonder why Pac is willing to fight Margaito at JrMW but not Mosley or Williams at Welter? If he's willing to go all the way up to JrMW, why not just fight the biggest Welters out there? I know Williams is 6' 1" but Pac could just demand he weigh in on the day of the fight. That would be fairer, and probably more effective, than demanding a lowering of the divisional weight limit.

Guy this has been uncovered already. Roach likes to drain fighters just enough to give Manny the edge to win.

Well, the examples cited contradict your narrative, no? If Roach wants to drain Margarito, why let him weight in the night before at 150? Wouldn't it be better to fight at welter (147) and demand a weigh-in the day of the fight?

And why avoid Williams? He's bigger and therefore more susceptible to being drained. Make Williams come down to Welter (he's willing) and also demand a same-dayer (entirely justified requirement).

PacMan will be fighting a Margarito who's likely to weigh 160+ in the ring while Pac will be 146ish. That's pretty brave any way you cut it. Margarito's fought at 147 for all his big bouts. Now he gets 3lbs more of leeway.

Therefore Roach isn't really draining Margarito of energy, he's filling him up.

[sleepless]

I didn't know this was for JrMW Championship. That does make things more interesting though its diminished a tad by the fact that Margarito must make 150. Its not as bad as SRL demanding Lalonde fight at 1671bs only to turn around and claim the LHW title, but these weight demands are getting tedious.

I don't mind one fighter fighting below a divisional weight though. If they want to take the risk, so be it. Its hard to frame that as an advantage, speed notwithstanding. If the speed produced by low weight really cancels out the power and size advantages of a heavier boxer, then why have divisions at all?

I do wonder why Pac is willing to fight Margaito at JrMW but not Mosley or Williams at Welter? If he's willing to go all the way up to JrMW, why not just fight the biggest Welters out there? I know Williams is 6' 1" but Pac could just demand he weigh in on the day of the fight. That would be fairer, and probably more effective, than demanding a lowering of the divisional weight limit.

Guy this has been uncovered already. Roach likes to drain fighters just enough to give Manny the edge to win.

Well, the examples cited contradict your narrative, no? If Roach wants to drain Margarito, why let him weight in the night before at 150? Wouldn't it be better to fight at welter (147) and demand a weigh-in the day of the fight?

And why avoid Williams? He's bigger and therefore more susceptible to being drained. Make Williams come down to Welter (he's willing) and also demand a same-dayer (entirely justified requirement).

PacMan will be fighting a Margarito who's likely to weigh 160+ in the ring while Pac will be 146ish. That's pretty brave any way you cut it. Margarito's fought at 147 for all his big bouts. Now he gets 3lbs more of leeway.

Therefore Roach isn't really draining Margarito of energy, he's filling him up.

I agree, all this draining talks about pacman vs margarito is nonsense because margo is really used to fight at 147 limit. So being at 150lbs is really very very advantageous to him. People who likes to follow strict weight limits (which is just invented anyway by some so called experts) would argue but really anyway you see it, this 151-lb proposed day before fight limit is in Margarito's advantage.

[JonesJrMayweather]

I didn't know this was for JrMW Championship. That does make things more interesting though its diminished a tad by the fact that Margarito must make 150. Its not as bad as SRL demanding Lalonde fight at 1671bs only to turn around and claim the LHW title, but these weight demands are getting tedious.

I don't mind one fighter fighting below a divisional weight though. If they want to take the risk, so be it. Its hard to frame that as an advantage, speed notwithstanding. If the speed produced by low weight really cancels out the power and size advantages of a heavier boxer, then why have divisions at all?

I do wonder why Pac is willing to fight Margaito at JrMW but not Mosley or Williams at Welter? If he's willing to go all the way up to JrMW, why not just fight the biggest Welters out there? I know Williams is 6' 1" but Pac could just demand he weigh in on the day of the fight. That would be fairer, and probably more effective, than demanding a lowering of the divisional weight limit.

Guy this has been uncovered already. Roach likes to drain fighters just enough to give Manny the edge to win.

Well, the examples cited contradict your narrative, no? If Roach wants to drain Margarito, why let him weight in the night before at 150? Wouldn't it be better to fight at welter (147) and demand a weigh-in the day of the fight?

And why avoid Williams? He's bigger and therefore more susceptible to being drained. Make Williams come down to Welter (he's willing) and also demand a same-dayer (entirely justified requirement).

PacMan will be fighting a Margarito who's likely to weigh 160+ in the ring while Pac will be 146ish. That's pretty brave any way you cut it. Margarito's fought at 147 for all his big bouts. Now he gets 3lbs more of leeway.

Therefore Roach isn't really draining Margarito of energy, he's filling him up.

That's fair, but Marg was out for a year and possibly couldn't make 147 anymore. If its okay to fight him at 150 why not just allow him to weigh in at 154? They're both within the limit. Same as Roach was willing to face Cotto at 144 but wanted shane to go to 142. Same as facing oscar at 147 but not cotto. If he were to face PW it would be t something like 154 which would ask, why not face Marg at 154? Look man either face the guys at their optimal weight or stop with the bullshit. Those guys trying to make weight does more damage than pac coming in in top form.