Did that fight really make people believe that Manny will be able to beat Floyd?

[generalbulldog]

I still believe 100% Floyd beats Pac no problem i think Roach and Pacquiao just do a good job at fooling everyone end of the day these recent opponents have recently been beaten or have had to make a catchweight or both.

Morales washed up Zahir Raheem beat him easy for god sake

David Diaz very nearly lost to the washed up Morales

De la Hoya weight drained beyond belief had to be re hydrated by IV before fight

Hatton was basically done after Mayweather look at the Lazcano fight

Cotto already been demolished by Margarito and nearly lost to Clottey and had to weigh 145lbs

Clottey just came to survive 12 rounds had been beaten by Cotto already

Margarito had been demolished by Mosley in his fight before last and was having to come down to 150lbs

I love 20/20 hindsight analysis.

[0james0]

Am I the only person who saw a performance full of holes from Pac in that fight?

He got tagged way too easy on numerous occasions and against someone with better timing and defence, he could have really got hurt then.

Pac was good, but from that performance I didn't see anything new that I think Floyd would be scared of, if anything I saw signs of aging where Pac is very slowly getting worse not better. Undeniable talent and I love the guy, but I think the longer the PBF fight takes to happen, the more chance there is Pac loses.

[Kel]

The fight made me think Pac can beat Margarito

I've wanted to see a Floyd/Pac fight for a while now because it should be a good one. Not sure who wins it, which is why it will be a cracking fight.

[Dizaster]

I still believe 100% Floyd beats Pac no problem i think Roach and Pacquiao just do a good job at fooling everyone end of the day these recent opponents have recently been beaten or have had to make a catchweight or both.

Morales washed up Zahir Raheem beat him easy for god sake

David Diaz very nearly lost to the washed up Morales

De la Hoya weight drained beyond belief had to be re hydrated by IV before fight

Hatton was basically done after Mayweather look at the Lazcano fight

Cotto already been demolished by Margarito and nearly lost to Clottey and had to weigh 145lbs

Clottey just came to survive 12 rounds had been beaten by Cotto already

Margarito had been demolished by Mosley in his fight before last and was having to come down to 150lbs

I love 20/20 hindsight analysis.

Yeah 20/20 hindsight analysis is funny... It's also funny how Shane beating Margarito at 147 is a completely legitimate win, and Floyd beating Shane at 147 is a legitimate win, yet Pac giving Margarito an extra 3 pounds of 150, is "making him kill himself to make weight"... Forget that their was 17 pounds different on fight night and Margarito rehydrate as you would expect of a fit fighter..

And it's easy to say these opponents had question marks over them, but aside from Oscar, each would still be favorite to beat 9 out of 10 guys in their division.....

Floyd and Pac suffer the same problem.. They dominate their opponents so thoroughly that people can easily say that they are "past it" or "hand picked for their style"..

But against anyone else they would be competitive at the least, and an insurmountable challenge in probable reality...

At 140 or 147 or 154, who would you have given Pac more credit for beating in this fight? And you have to take into account the fight needs to at least sell a little.. Yes money does matter to these guys.. But's it's apples to apples when picking a fighter for them.. They'll completely dominate, and someone will say they were hand picked for his style...

Pac is just in a different league to those around him.. Same as Floyd... I gave up detracting from Floyds accomplishments long ago.. The fact is, they take fighters who are better than everyone else, and make them look like they have serious question marks over them...

I guess unless someone is in a war and only JUUUUST win,,,, unless the fight isn't TOO easy, people will say they beat an overrated, underdone fighter.... Maybe Pac should have given Margarito 5 rounds and made him look closer to Pac's level of greatness, to win over the people who see an outstanding performance, and instead of calling that performance like it is,,,, turn and just look at why the other person wasn't competitive...

Sometimes, just sometimes, fighters dominate because they are that good.. Not because their opponents are useless..

But people will go on saying that forever if they want to explain why someone wins so thoroughly.. i'm over it...

[Wacko3205]

No...I don't think that Pacquiao would, could, or will defeat/dethrone Floyd.

I was surprised that he handled the size...or made it through the size of Margarito.

Floyd's an insane counter puncher & an even nuttier body man...I think Pac would have a career ending night...or possibly career defining...who's to say anything's impossible.

But my money'd be on Floyd...but then I'm a fan of that assbag...so what else?

[brucelee]

No...I don't think that Pacquiao would, could, or will defeat/dethrone Floyd.

I was surprised that he handled the size...or made it through the size of Margarito.

Floyd's an insane counter puncher & an even nuttier body man...I think Pac would have a career ending night...or possibly career defining...who's to say anything's impossible.

But my money'd be on Floyd...but then I'm a fan of that assbag...so what else?

I just can't totally agree with Floyd being that insanely great counter puncher. He had trouble with De la hoya and if De la hoya made a question mark on Floyd, imagine what Pac would do against Floyd.

[Gandalf]

No...I don't think that Pacquiao would, could, or will defeat/dethrone Floyd.

I was surprised that he handled the size...or made it through the size of Margarito.

Floyd's an insane counter puncher & an even nuttier body man...I think Pac would have a career ending night...or possibly career defining...who's to say anything's impossible.

But my money'd be on Floyd...but then I'm a fan of that assbag...so what else?

I just can't totally agree with Floyd being that insanely great counter puncher. He had trouble with De la hoya and if De la hoya made a question mark on Floyd, imagine what Pac would do against Floyd.

Floyd lost his share of rounds against DLH too, though clearly won the fight. But Floyd is just far too cautious. Manny is something Floyd has never faced. It's that output and willingness to keep buzzing with lunatic combinations that I just don't think Floyd will have an answer for. Sure, Floyd is a great counter puncher, but who has he faced that is any way comparable to Pac? Nobody. They have all been regular pressure fighters with limited stamina and output. Mayweather was able to wait until Hatton was worn out in six and then he began to impose himself. I can't see him ever imposing himself on Manny without getting seriously hurt in the process.

Floyd either shells up and loses on points or tries to take rounds and gets punished in the process. Manny is just as fast as Floyd at this stage and is far from one dimensional. Manny has also developed some really great footwork in recent years too. He has everything. He even has two hands that he can throw from any angle. The guy is an utter freak.

[Majesty]

No...I don't think that Pacquiao would, could, or will defeat/dethrone Floyd.

I was surprised that he handled the size...or made it through the size of Margarito.

Floyd's an insane counter puncher & an even nuttier body man...I think Pac would have a career ending night...or possibly career defining...who's to say anything's impossible.

But my money'd be on Floyd...but then I'm a fan of that assbag...so what else?

I just can't totally agree with Floyd being that insanely great counter puncher. He had trouble with De la hoya and if De la hoya made a question mark on Floyd, imagine what Pac would do against Floyd.

It's hard to imagine Pacquiao being taller then Floyd and fighting him patiently while trying to counter him behind a jab for 6 rounds. I sort of imagine Pacquiao trying to go in and out and giving Floyd more to counter then Oscar did early on.

You can't imagine Pacquiao fighting Mayweather like Oscar fought him or even like Shane fought him. So saying "he lost some rounds to Oscar imagine what Pacquiao would do to him." pretty much makes no sense, its completely different styles. You'd be more accurate saying, Marquez beat him twice, imagine what Floyd would do to him, but that would be unfair too.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Yeah that's the main thing that bugs me; no matter how good Manny Pacquiao Looks, you can't deny what Juan Manuel Marquez did to him.

Marquez with superior speed, reach, timing, reflexes AND power = BIG trouble for Pacquiao. Plus Mayweather is an incredibly smart guy. He took what Mosley had to offer had exploited it in a matter of 30 seconds. To be beat him, you have to have something that bests him and TBH with Maywather being on the back foot, that will always leave Pacquiao on -1.

Actually, add Mayweather's jab to the body and it's more like -1.5.
I don't truly think Pacquiao looses 10 times out of 10 but I know he would really have to surpass himself to really get at Mayweather.

ARGH! But then what are Mayweather's legs like these days? oh man I'm confused. I have reason to believe than Mayweather is a bit more leggy then he used to be and boy is Pacquiao good on his feet these days.

Fuck it, I give up.

[Islington haye maker]

I think in reality,this is a 50/50 fight....But from what i have seen from the two fighter's.

I more lean towards FMM...I think while the pac-man is a great,no doubt.
He does leave himself open quite alot and i just feel FMM will just pick him off...He's just too smart.

Who is in line To fight Fmm anyway??...Ive heard some poor names banded about.

[generalbulldog]

I still believe 100% Floyd beats Pac no problem i think Roach and Pacquiao just do a good job at fooling everyone end of the day these recent opponents have recently been beaten or have had to make a catchweight or both.

Morales washed up Zahir Raheem beat him easy for god sake

David Diaz very nearly lost to the washed up Morales

De la Hoya weight drained beyond belief had to be re hydrated by IV before fight

Hatton was basically done after Mayweather look at the Lazcano fight

Cotto already been demolished by Margarito and nearly lost to Clottey and had to weigh 145lbs

Clottey just came to survive 12 rounds had been beaten by Cotto already

Margarito had been demolished by Mosley in his fight before last and was having to come down to 150lbs

I love 20/20 hindsight analysis.

Yeah 20/20 hindsight analysis is funny... It's also funny how Shane beating Margarito at 147 is a completely legitimate win, and Floyd beating Shane at 147 is a legitimate win, yet Pac giving Margarito an extra 3 pounds of 150, is "making him kill himself to make weight"... Forget that their was 17 pounds different on fight night and Margarito rehydrate as you would expect of a fit fighter..

And it's easy to say these opponents had question marks over them, but aside from Oscar, each would still be favorite to beat 9 out of 10 guys in their division.....

Floyd and Pac suffer the same problem.. They dominate their opponents so thoroughly that people can easily say that they are "past it" or "hand picked for their style"..

But against anyone else they would be competitive at the least, and an insurmountable challenge in probable reality...

At 140 or 147 or 154, who would you have given Pac more credit for beating in this fight? And you have to take into account the fight needs to at least sell a little.. Yes money does matter to these guys.. But's it's apples to apples when picking a fighter for them.. They'll completely dominate, and someone will say they were hand picked for his style...

Pac is just in a different league to those around him.. Same as Floyd... I gave up detracting from Floyds accomplishments long ago.. The fact is, they take fighters who are better than everyone else, and make them look like they have serious question marks over them...

I guess unless someone is in a war and only JUUUUST win,,,, unless the fight isn't TOO easy, people will say they beat an overrated, underdone fighter.... Maybe Pac should have given Margarito 5 rounds and made him look closer to Pac's level of greatness, to win over the people who see an outstanding performance, and instead of calling that performance like it is,,,, turn and just look at why the other person wasn't competitive...

Sometimes, just sometimes, fighters dominate because they are that good.. Not because their opponents are useless..

But people will go on saying that forever if they want to explain why someone wins so thoroughly.. i'm over it...

20/20 hindsight analysis is not the only funny part. The other funny part is when people with these hindsight analysis acts like Nostradamus. I sure wonder why they didn't get it right in the 1st place and then after it happened, it's because of this and that.

[KananKrus]

20/20 hindsight analysis is not the only funny part. The other funny part is when people with these hindsight analysis acts like Nostradamus. I sure wonder why they didn't get it right in the 1st place and then after it happened, it's because of this and that.

So true... and soooo funny. They speak and portray themselves with an authoritative air, but only to spout the most distinctive of all the bull craps. Ala Ted Altasesque... a first class clown! I don't know what it is that keeps them going on believing that they have not been found yet, and that people still, have not actually found their inner most serious thoughts that they've held in esteem, as farcical!