Pac, Margo, Cotto, Handwraps...

[Onix]

Guy all of this is very simple..go to the file sharing board. Search for Margarito vs Cotto. Fast forward to the end and you'll see Margarito not only shake Cotto's hand WITH HIS WRAPS STILL ON, but also the ref Kenny Bayless grabs him by the hand to raise it victory. Then he gives the interview with the wraps in front of the camera in plain sight. Not to mention he WAS CLEARED OF USING ILLEGAL WRAPS DURING THE COTTO FIGHT.

Enough of your trying to make it seem as though he cheated against cotto that's why he won, because according to you he's always been a cheater. He already had 5 losses at that time. Was beaten by Williams just before that cotto fight. Why are you going to hard to make a case that he for sure cheated against Cotto and not the other guys?

Let it go man...he never officially cheated, because he was caught. And he whooped Cottos ass fair and square.

Well ACTUALLY Cotto cites photo to dispute loss : He says it's evidence against Margarito, who later lost his license. - Los Angeles Times

that does look pretty weird.

[:::PSL:::]

Guy all of this is very simple..go to the file sharing board. Search for Margarito vs Cotto. Fast forward to the end and you'll see Margarito not only shake Cotto's hand WITH HIS WRAPS STILL ON, but also the ref Kenny Bayless grabs him by the hand to raise it victory. Then he gives the interview with the wraps in front of the camera in plain sight. Not to mention he WAS CLEARED OF USING ILLEGAL WRAPS DURING THE COTTO FIGHT.

Enough of your trying to make it seem as though he cheated against cotto that's why he won, because according to you he's always been a cheater. He already had 5 losses at that time. Was beaten by Williams just before that cotto fight. Why are you going to hard to make a case that he for sure cheated against Cotto and not the other guys?

Let it go man...he never officially cheated, because he was caught. And he whooped Cottos ass fair and square.

Well ACTUALLY Cotto cites photo to dispute loss : He says it's evidence against Margarito, who later lost his license. - Los Angeles Times

It looks like it got stuffed similar to this...

[El Kabong]

Well this is just amazing......almost as if they are they are the same thing and it's almost as if the Nevada State Athletic Commission tried to cover it's ass after all this hit the fan in California, but who am I to to judge? It's not like Compubox numbers and photographic evidence mean anything....now I'm no big city lawyer (adjusts suspenders) but I don't think handwraps are supposed to split like that or be discolored, surely now since so much time has passed and the NSAC has not done their due dilligence we are left with mere speculation but are we to believe what Javier Capetillo and Antonio Margarito have said? I mean look at Panama Lewis and Luis Resto...they stuck with their stories for a long time and Panama is STILL sticking to his story. On Very few occasions in sport do we the fans get the full truth and I think in this specific case we're missing out on a lot, so much that we cannot completely dismiss the idea that Margarito's wraps could have been loaded and simply missed by the NSAC which would be a shame, but it's plausible....very plausible given the evidence produced. Of course Margarito and Capetillo are going to deny ever using the wraps for anything other than the Mosley fight and only then by mistake because they are both trying to stay active in the sport, they are trying to save their bacon and are therefore unreliable as sources of information and the NSAC is just covering for itself out of fear of losing future big money fights.

[Julius Rain]

Guy all of this is very simple..go to the file sharing board. Search for Margarito vs Cotto. Fast forward to the end and you'll see Margarito not only shake Cotto's hand WITH HIS WRAPS STILL ON, but also the ref Kenny Bayless grabs him by the hand to raise it victory. Then he gives the interview with the wraps in front of the camera in plain sight. Not to mention he WAS CLEARED OF USING ILLEGAL WRAPS DURING THE COTTO FIGHT.

Enough of your trying to make it seem as though he cheated against cotto that's why he won, because according to you he's always been a cheater. He already had 5 losses at that time. Was beaten by Williams just before that cotto fight. Why are you going to hard to make a case that he for sure cheated against Cotto and not the other guys?

Let it go man...he never officially cheated, because he was caught. And he whooped Cottos ass fair and square.

Well ACTUALLY Cotto cites photo to dispute loss : He says it's evidence against Margarito, who later lost his license. - Los Angeles Times

that does look pretty weird.

wow did this photo just came out? It is the first time I've seen it.

[JonesJrMayweather]

What's funny is that Cotto did submit that photo which only helped the commission decide tht Maragarito WAS CLEAR from cheating against him. Perhaps because what fool would walk around a ring with about 50 people, shaking hands, if they were hard as cement? Esp knowing that Resto was caught in the ring because he was too stupid not to allow someone to grab his glove.

How stupid must cotto and his camp be that they shook margarito's hand with that wrap on and didnt know right then that it felt like a brick? Maybe because it wasn't. Miguel changing his story about the wraps was an Arum strategy to build a rematch because no one would want to watch Margarito do the same thing to him again, who would buy that?

[ElTerribleMorales]

What's funny is that Cotto did submit that photo which only helped the commission decide tht Maragarito WAS CLEAR from cheating against him. Perhaps because what fool would walk around a ring with about 50 people, shaking hands, if they were hard as cement? Esp knowing that Resto was caught in the ring because he was too stupid not to allow someone to grab his glove.

How stupid must cotto and his camp be that they shook margarito's hand with that wrap on and didnt know right then that it felt like a brick? Maybe because it wasn't. Miguel changing his story about the wraps was an Arum strategy to build a rematch because no one would want to watch Margarito do the same thing to him again, who would buy that?

how stupid must one guy be to joke around by having a slab of concrete put on his fists on camera when he was just suspended for loading up his gloves, i dunno bout you, but if i was honestly innocent and trying to CLEAN UP MY IMAGE, the last thing i'd do is turn the scandal into a joke

[JonesJrMayweather]

What's funny is that Cotto did submit that photo which only helped the commission decide tht Maragarito WAS CLEAR from cheating against him. Perhaps because what fool would walk around a ring with about 50 people, shaking hands, if they were hard as cement? Esp knowing that Resto was caught in the ring because he was too stupid not to allow someone to grab his glove.

How stupid must cotto and his camp be that they shook margarito's hand with that wrap on and didnt know right then that it felt like a brick? Maybe because it wasn't. Miguel changing his story about the wraps was an Arum strategy to build a rematch because no one would want to watch Margarito do the same thing to him again, who would buy that?

how stupid must one guy be to joke around by having a slab of concrete put on his fists on camera when he was just suspended for loading up his gloves, i dunno bout you, but if i was honestly innocent and trying to CLEAN UP MY IMAGE, the last thing i'd do is turn the scandal into a joke

So do you believe Tyson actually raped washington, because he has joked about that on several occasions. Perhaps Marg thinks its as laughable as a lot of people that Cotto is a fucking sore loser and could take his asswhooping like a champ so he makes fun of it. Also maybe he doesn't care about cleaning up his image because he feel it doesn't need to be cleaned due to the fact that he never actually cheated.

Do hear the echo? He was cleared...cleared.cleared. Of any wrong doing, with the commission looking at the tapes and the same photos posted on here.

[ElTerribleMorales]

What's funny is that Cotto did submit that photo which only helped the commission decide tht Maragarito WAS CLEAR from cheating against him. Perhaps because what fool would walk around a ring with about 50 people, shaking hands, if they were hard as cement? Esp knowing that Resto was caught in the ring because he was too stupid not to allow someone to grab his glove.

How stupid must cotto and his camp be that they shook margarito's hand with that wrap on and didnt know right then that it felt like a brick? Maybe because it wasn't. Miguel changing his story about the wraps was an Arum strategy to build a rematch because no one would want to watch Margarito do the same thing to him again, who would buy that?

how stupid must one guy be to joke around by having a slab of concrete put on his fists on camera when he was just suspended for loading up his gloves, i dunno bout you, but if i was honestly innocent and trying to CLEAN UP MY IMAGE, the last thing i'd do is turn the scandal into a joke

So do you believe Tyson actually raped washington, because he has joked about that on several occasions. Perhaps Marg thinks its as laughable as a lot of people that Cotto is a fucking sore loser and could take his asswhooping like a champ so he makes fun of it. Also maybe he doesn't care about cleaning up his image because he feel it doesn't need to be cleaned due to the fact that he never actually cheated.

Do hear the echo? He was cleared...cleared.cleared. Of any wrong doing, with the commission looking at the tapes and the same photos posted on here.

so was Mosley with the whole Balco scandal so that means that didn't happen either right?!? oh and there's a nifty little video of him (Mosley) admitting he knew what he took on youtube, look it up, don't believe everything they force feed you, and as for sore losers, wasn't it Jones Jr who cried foul trying to capitalize on the Margarito scandal once Green knocked him the fuck out in one round stating he tampered his gloves

[El Kabong]

Just for comparison Luis Resto finally admitted he had plaster wraps vs Billy Collins and the NYSAC never confiscated the wraps only the tampered gloves and the case could easily be made that if the gloves had not been tampered with then Resto and Lewis could have gotten off scot free.

[JonesJrMayweather]

What's funny is that Cotto did submit that photo which only helped the commission decide tht Maragarito WAS CLEAR from cheating against him. Perhaps because what fool would walk around a ring with about 50 people, shaking hands, if they were hard as cement? Esp knowing that Resto was caught in the ring because he was too stupid not to allow someone to grab his glove.

How stupid must cotto and his camp be that they shook margarito's hand with that wrap on and didnt know right then that it felt like a brick? Maybe because it wasn't. Miguel changing his story about the wraps was an Arum strategy to build a rematch because no one would want to watch Margarito do the same thing to him again, who would buy that?

how stupid must one guy be to joke around by having a slab of concrete put on his fists on camera when he was just suspended for loading up his gloves, i dunno bout you, but if i was honestly innocent and trying to CLEAN UP MY IMAGE, the last thing i'd do is turn the scandal into a joke

So do you believe Tyson actually raped washington, because he has joked about that on several occasions. Perhaps Marg thinks its as laughable as a lot of people that Cotto is a fucking sore loser and could take his asswhooping like a champ so he makes fun of it. Also maybe he doesn't care about cleaning up his image because he feel it doesn't need to be cleaned due to the fact that he never actually cheated.

Do hear the echo? He was cleared...cleared.cleared. Of any wrong doing, with the commission looking at the tapes and the same photos posted on here.

so was Mosley with the whole Balco scandal so that means that didn't happen either right?!? oh and there's a nifty little video of him (Mosley) admitting he knew what he took on youtube, look it up, don't believe everything they force feed you, and as for sore losers, wasn't it Jones Jr who cried foul trying to capitalize on the Margarito scandal once Green knocked him the fuck out in one round stating he tampered his gloves

Yeah Jones did do that, to keep people interested in a fight with BHOP. If people see that he can no longer even survive a round who would buy a PPV fight featuring that fighter? Don't really see what bringing jones up has to do with anything, he did the same as Cotto tried to keep himself marketable after a defeat.

Shane mosely was cleared of unknowingly taking the substances, but he admitted to taking what he thought were legal substances which turned out to be illegal. No if shane says "i never took them" then that entirely different. What he admitted was yes took some substance from a trainer that he thought was legal and turned out to be illegal. So what's your point?

[ElTerribleMorales]

What's funny is that Cotto did submit that photo which only helped the commission decide tht Maragarito WAS CLEAR from cheating against him. Perhaps because what fool would walk around a ring with about 50 people, shaking hands, if they were hard as cement? Esp knowing that Resto was caught in the ring because he was too stupid not to allow someone to grab his glove.

How stupid must cotto and his camp be that they shook margarito's hand with that wrap on and didnt know right then that it felt like a brick? Maybe because it wasn't. Miguel changing his story about the wraps was an Arum strategy to build a rematch because no one would want to watch Margarito do the same thing to him again, who would buy that?

how stupid must one guy be to joke around by having a slab of concrete put on his fists on camera when he was just suspended for loading up his gloves, i dunno bout you, but if i was honestly innocent and trying to CLEAN UP MY IMAGE, the last thing i'd do is turn the scandal into a joke

So do you believe Tyson actually raped washington, because he has joked about that on several occasions. Perhaps Marg thinks its as laughable as a lot of people that Cotto is a fucking sore loser and could take his asswhooping like a champ so he makes fun of it. Also maybe he doesn't care about cleaning up his image because he feel it doesn't need to be cleaned due to the fact that he never actually cheated.

Do hear the echo? He was cleared...cleared.cleared. Of any wrong doing, with the commission looking at the tapes and the same photos posted on here.

so was Mosley with the whole Balco scandal so that means that didn't happen either right?!? oh and there's a nifty little video of him (Mosley) admitting he knew what he took on youtube, look it up, don't believe everything they force feed you, and as for sore losers, wasn't it Jones Jr who cried foul trying to capitalize on the Margarito scandal once Green knocked him the fuck out in one round stating he tampered his gloves

Yeah Jones did do that, to keep people interested in a fight with BHOP. If people see that he can no longer even survive a round who would buy a PPV fight featuring that fighter? Don't really see what bringing jones up has to do with anything, he did the same as Cotto tried to keep himself marketable after a defeat.

Shane mosely was cleared of unknowingly taking the substances, but he admitted to taking what he thought were legal substances which turned out to be illegal. No if shane says "i never took them" then that entirely different. What he admitted was yes took some substance from a trainer that he thought was legal and turned out to be illegal. So what's your point?

my point is if Margarito unknowingly had loaded wraps going into his fight with Mosley (which i doubt veeeeeeery much he didn't know) who's to say he "unknowingly" used the wraps in other BIG fights, especially the biggest fight of his career (Cotto)

PS i found you a replacement...


...you can let go of Margarito's dick now

[JonesJrMayweather]

What's funny is that Cotto did submit that photo which only helped the commission decide tht Maragarito WAS CLEAR from cheating against him. Perhaps because what fool would walk around a ring with about 50 people, shaking hands, if they were hard as cement? Esp knowing that Resto was caught in the ring because he was too stupid not to allow someone to grab his glove.

How stupid must cotto and his camp be that they shook margarito's hand with that wrap on and didnt know right then that it felt like a brick? Maybe because it wasn't. Miguel changing his story about the wraps was an Arum strategy to build a rematch because no one would want to watch Margarito do the same thing to him again, who would buy that?

how stupid must one guy be to joke around by having a slab of concrete put on his fists on camera when he was just suspended for loading up his gloves, i dunno bout you, but if i was honestly innocent and trying to CLEAN UP MY IMAGE, the last thing i'd do is turn the scandal into a joke

So do you believe Tyson actually raped washington, because he has joked about that on several occasions. Perhaps Marg thinks its as laughable as a lot of people that Cotto is a fucking sore loser and could take his asswhooping like a champ so he makes fun of it. Also maybe he doesn't care about cleaning up his image because he feel it doesn't need to be cleaned due to the fact that he never actually cheated.

Do hear the echo? He was cleared...cleared.cleared. Of any wrong doing, with the commission looking at the tapes and the same photos posted on here.

so was Mosley with the whole Balco scandal so that means that didn't happen either right?!? oh and there's a nifty little video of him (Mosley) admitting he knew what he took on youtube, look it up, don't believe everything they force feed you, and as for sore losers, wasn't it Jones Jr who cried foul trying to capitalize on the Margarito scandal once Green knocked him the fuck out in one round stating he tampered his gloves

Yeah Jones did do that, to keep people interested in a fight with BHOP. If people see that he can no longer even survive a round who would buy a PPV fight featuring that fighter? Don't really see what bringing jones up has to do with anything, he did the same as Cotto tried to keep himself marketable after a defeat.

Shane mosely was cleared of unknowingly taking the substances, but he admitted to taking what he thought were legal substances which turned out to be illegal. No if shane says "i never took them" then that entirely different. What he admitted was yes took some substance from a trainer that he thought was legal and turned out to be illegal. So what's your point?

my point is if Margarito unknowingly had loaded wraps going into his fight with Mosley (which i doubt veeeeeeery much he didn't know) who's to say he "unknowingly" used the wraps in other BIG fights, especially the biggest fight of his career (Cotto)

PS i found you a replacement...


...you can let go of Margarito's dick now

Actually that's more appropriate for you and Cotto. Because I, for years on this forum always said Marg was never that good. Even before he broke your heart. Back when he was the "PBF dominator" and Floyd was ducking him. I was the first person to make a post about how he was an overrated contender with 5 losses and would be torn to shreds by the elites. So I don't care. Him whooping Cotto's ass means nothing to me, him getting beat by Pac means nothing to me. In fact I've only actually cared about two of his fights. SMM and PW, both of which he lost.

So now that he's crushed Cotto along with guys like you hearts by trying to cheat. You want to play bitter ex-girlfriend and cry "it was all a lie, you never loved us"...please. I'm only trying to offer objective view of the hand wrap thing dealing only with the facts laid out. Yeah we could make a case for or against anyone if we pull on something. Say you think pac is a cheater which is why he won't face floyd. Well you'd have a strong case if you point out that no one in history has moved up so much weight and dominates the larger fighters worse than he did the smaller ones. I mean yeah its okay for his speed to carry up, but the power too? I that high? One would have a real good case.

But that's dumb and irrelevant because unless he's caught what's the point in making accusations?

[ElTerribleMorales]

What's funny is that Cotto did submit that photo which only helped the commission decide tht Maragarito WAS CLEAR from cheating against him. Perhaps because what fool would walk around a ring with about 50 people, shaking hands, if they were hard as cement? Esp knowing that Resto was caught in the ring because he was too stupid not to allow someone to grab his glove.

How stupid must cotto and his camp be that they shook margarito's hand with that wrap on and didnt know right then that it felt like a brick? Maybe because it wasn't. Miguel changing his story about the wraps was an Arum strategy to build a rematch because no one would want to watch Margarito do the same thing to him again, who would buy that?

how stupid must one guy be to joke around by having a slab of concrete put on his fists on camera when he was just suspended for loading up his gloves, i dunno bout you, but if i was honestly innocent and trying to CLEAN UP MY IMAGE, the last thing i'd do is turn the scandal into a joke

So do you believe Tyson actually raped washington, because he has joked about that on several occasions. Perhaps Marg thinks its as laughable as a lot of people that Cotto is a fucking sore loser and could take his asswhooping like a champ so he makes fun of it. Also maybe he doesn't care about cleaning up his image because he feel it doesn't need to be cleaned due to the fact that he never actually cheated.

Do hear the echo? He was cleared...cleared.cleared. Of any wrong doing, with the commission looking at the tapes and the same photos posted on here.

so was Mosley with the whole Balco scandal so that means that didn't happen either right?!? oh and there's a nifty little video of him (Mosley) admitting he knew what he took on youtube, look it up, don't believe everything they force feed you, and as for sore losers, wasn't it Jones Jr who cried foul trying to capitalize on the Margarito scandal once Green knocked him the fuck out in one round stating he tampered his gloves

Yeah Jones did do that, to keep people interested in a fight with BHOP. If people see that he can no longer even survive a round who would buy a PPV fight featuring that fighter? Don't really see what bringing jones up has to do with anything, he did the same as Cotto tried to keep himself marketable after a defeat.

Shane mosely was cleared of unknowingly taking the substances, but he admitted to taking what he thought were legal substances which turned out to be illegal. No if shane says "i never took them" then that entirely different. What he admitted was yes took some substance from a trainer that he thought was legal and turned out to be illegal. So what's your point?

my point is if Margarito unknowingly had loaded wraps going into his fight with Mosley (which i doubt veeeeeeery much he didn't know) who's to say he "unknowingly" used the wraps in other BIG fights, especially the biggest fight of his career (Cotto)

PS i found you a replacement...


...you can let go of Margarito's dick now

Actually that's more appropriate for you and Cotto. Because I, for years on this forum always said Marg was never that good. Even before he broke your heart. Back when he was the "PBF dominator" and Floyd was ducking him. I was the first person to make a post about how he was an overrated contender with 5 losses and would be torn to shreds by the elites. So I don't care. Him whooping Cotto's ass means nothing to me, him getting beat by Pac means nothing to me. In fact I've only actually cared about two of his fights. SMM and PW, both of which he lost.

So now that he's crushed Cotto along with guys like you hearts by trying to cheat. You want to play bitter ex-girlfriend and cry "it was all a lie, you never loved us"...please. I'm only trying to offer objective view of the hand wrap thing dealing only with the facts laid out. Yeah we could make a case for or against anyone if we pull on something. Say you think pac is a cheater which is why he won't face floyd. Well you'd have a strong case if you point out that no one in history has moved up so much weight and dominates the larger fighters worse than he did the smaller ones. I mean yeah its okay for his speed to carry up, but the power too? I that high? One would have a real good case.

But that's dumb and irrelevant because unless he's caught what's the point in making accusations?

again..i picked Margarito to beat Cotto, but there's no doubt in my mind that the fucker cheated, his punches looked completely weak in the last 3 fights, THE ONLY FIGHTS that we know without a shadow of a doubt that he didn't wear loaded gloves, one shot rattled a former straw weight, and then he didn't do anything else despite landing a couple clean shots upstairs, explain to me then how is it that Clottey who isn't known as a hard hitter, landed less on Pacquiao and yet marked Manny a hell of a lot more than Margarito who landed flush upstairs a lot more frequently, you try and pull a little milmascaras bullshit by throwing in Cotto's name as if that's even part of the issue, it could have been Golden fucking Johnson and if there was any reason to believe he cheated in that fight i'd be saying the same damned thing, he has now TWICE been accused of cheating once with wraps and now we'll see if he tried to get a little help like Vargas did against DLH, like i said the NSAC never found any evidence that Mosley cheated EVEN THOUGH HE HIMSELF ADMITTED TO TAKING ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES!, it's Vegas and i wouldn't be shocked if in both cases (Cotto and Mosley) Margarito and/or Cepetillo slipped the guy who was supposed to inspect the wraps a bit to look the other way, wouldn't be the first or last time in boxing

[JonesJrMayweather]

What's funny is that Cotto did submit that photo which only helped the commission decide tht Maragarito WAS CLEAR from cheating against him. Perhaps because what fool would walk around a ring with about 50 people, shaking hands, if they were hard as cement? Esp knowing that Resto was caught in the ring because he was too stupid not to allow someone to grab his glove.

How stupid must cotto and his camp be that they shook margarito's hand with that wrap on and didnt know right then that it felt like a brick? Maybe because it wasn't. Miguel changing his story about the wraps was an Arum strategy to build a rematch because no one would want to watch Margarito do the same thing to him again, who would buy that?

how stupid must one guy be to joke around by having a slab of concrete put on his fists on camera when he was just suspended for loading up his gloves, i dunno bout you, but if i was honestly innocent and trying to CLEAN UP MY IMAGE, the last thing i'd do is turn the scandal into a joke

So do you believe Tyson actually raped washington, because he has joked about that on several occasions. Perhaps Marg thinks its as laughable as a lot of people that Cotto is a fucking sore loser and could take his asswhooping like a champ so he makes fun of it. Also maybe he doesn't care about cleaning up his image because he feel it doesn't need to be cleaned due to the fact that he never actually cheated.

Do hear the echo? He was cleared...cleared.cleared. Of any wrong doing, with the commission looking at the tapes and the same photos posted on here.

so was Mosley with the whole Balco scandal so that means that didn't happen either right?!? oh and there's a nifty little video of him (Mosley) admitting he knew what he took on youtube, look it up, don't believe everything they force feed you, and as for sore losers, wasn't it Jones Jr who cried foul trying to capitalize on the Margarito scandal once Green knocked him the fuck out in one round stating he tampered his gloves

Yeah Jones did do that, to keep people interested in a fight with BHOP. If people see that he can no longer even survive a round who would buy a PPV fight featuring that fighter? Don't really see what bringing jones up has to do with anything, he did the same as Cotto tried to keep himself marketable after a defeat.

Shane mosely was cleared of unknowingly taking the substances, but he admitted to taking what he thought were legal substances which turned out to be illegal. No if shane says "i never took them" then that entirely different. What he admitted was yes took some substance from a trainer that he thought was legal and turned out to be illegal. So what's your point?

my point is if Margarito unknowingly had loaded wraps going into his fight with Mosley (which i doubt veeeeeeery much he didn't know) who's to say he "unknowingly" used the wraps in other BIG fights, especially the biggest fight of his career (Cotto)

PS i found you a replacement...


...you can let go of Margarito's dick now

Actually that's more appropriate for you and Cotto. Because I, for years on this forum always said Marg was never that good. Even before he broke your heart. Back when he was the "PBF dominator" and Floyd was ducking him. I was the first person to make a post about how he was an overrated contender with 5 losses and would be torn to shreds by the elites. So I don't care. Him whooping Cotto's ass means nothing to me, him getting beat by Pac means nothing to me. In fact I've only actually cared about two of his fights. SMM and PW, both of which he lost.

So now that he's crushed Cotto along with guys like you hearts by trying to cheat. You want to play bitter ex-girlfriend and cry "it was all a lie, you never loved us"...please. I'm only trying to offer objective view of the hand wrap thing dealing only with the facts laid out. Yeah we could make a case for or against anyone if we pull on something. Say you think pac is a cheater which is why he won't face floyd. Well you'd have a strong case if you point out that no one in history has moved up so much weight and dominates the larger fighters worse than he did the smaller ones. I mean yeah its okay for his speed to carry up, but the power too? I that high? One would have a real good case.

But that's dumb and irrelevant because unless he's caught what's the point in making accusations?

again..i picked Margarito to beat Cotto, but there's no doubt in my mind that the fucker cheated, his punches looked completely weak in the last 3 fights, THE ONLY FIGHTS that we know without a shadow of a doubt that he didn't wear loaded gloves, one shot rattled a former straw weight, and then he didn't do anything else despite landing a couple clean shots upstairs, explain to me then how is it that Clottey who isn't known as a hard hitter, landed less on Pacquiao and yet marked Manny a hell of a lot more than Margarito who landed flush upstairs a lot more frequently, you try and pull a little milmascaras bullshit by throwing in Cotto's name as if that's even part of the issue, it could have been Golden fucking Johnson and if there was any reason to believe he cheated in that fight i'd be saying the same damned thing, he has now TWICE been accused of cheating once with wraps and now we'll see if he tried to get a little help like Vargas did against DLH, like i said the NSAC never found any evidence that Mosley cheated EVEN THOUGH HE HIMSELF ADMITTED TO TAKING ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES!, it's Vegas and i wouldn't be shocked if in both cases (Cotto and Mosley) Margarito and/or Cepetillo slipped the guy who was supposed to inspect the wraps a bit to look the other way, wouldn't be the first or last time in boxing

Explain how's its okay that Margarito blows through Golden Johnson in one round without cheating using only his nonpuching ability, but then all of sudden needs to cheat to beat Cotto? Meaning either he does have enough punching power to do damage, or doesn't. How can he hit hard enough without cheating to stop Johnson in one round? Then totally not have enough pop to hurt cotto as he did with out cheating?

Hell shane mosely didn't even stop Johnson in one round.

[ElTerribleMorales]

What's funny is that Cotto did submit that photo which only helped the commission decide tht Maragarito WAS CLEAR from cheating against him. Perhaps because what fool would walk around a ring with about 50 people, shaking hands, if they were hard as cement? Esp knowing that Resto was caught in the ring because he was too stupid not to allow someone to grab his glove.

How stupid must cotto and his camp be that they shook margarito's hand with that wrap on and didnt know right then that it felt like a brick? Maybe because it wasn't. Miguel changing his story about the wraps was an Arum strategy to build a rematch because no one would want to watch Margarito do the same thing to him again, who would buy that?

how stupid must one guy be to joke around by having a slab of concrete put on his fists on camera when he was just suspended for loading up his gloves, i dunno bout you, but if i was honestly innocent and trying to CLEAN UP MY IMAGE, the last thing i'd do is turn the scandal into a joke

So do you believe Tyson actually raped washington, because he has joked about that on several occasions. Perhaps Marg thinks its as laughable as a lot of people that Cotto is a fucking sore loser and could take his asswhooping like a champ so he makes fun of it. Also maybe he doesn't care about cleaning up his image because he feel it doesn't need to be cleaned due to the fact that he never actually cheated.

Do hear the echo? He was cleared...cleared.cleared. Of any wrong doing, with the commission looking at the tapes and the same photos posted on here.

so was Mosley with the whole Balco scandal so that means that didn't happen either right?!? oh and there's a nifty little video of him (Mosley) admitting he knew what he took on youtube, look it up, don't believe everything they force feed you, and as for sore losers, wasn't it Jones Jr who cried foul trying to capitalize on the Margarito scandal once Green knocked him the fuck out in one round stating he tampered his gloves

Yeah Jones did do that, to keep people interested in a fight with BHOP. If people see that he can no longer even survive a round who would buy a PPV fight featuring that fighter? Don't really see what bringing jones up has to do with anything, he did the same as Cotto tried to keep himself marketable after a defeat.

Shane mosely was cleared of unknowingly taking the substances, but he admitted to taking what he thought were legal substances which turned out to be illegal. No if shane says "i never took them" then that entirely different. What he admitted was yes took some substance from a trainer that he thought was legal and turned out to be illegal. So what's your point?

my point is if Margarito unknowingly had loaded wraps going into his fight with Mosley (which i doubt veeeeeeery much he didn't know) who's to say he "unknowingly" used the wraps in other BIG fights, especially the biggest fight of his career (Cotto)

PS i found you a replacement...


...you can let go of Margarito's dick now

Actually that's more appropriate for you and Cotto. Because I, for years on this forum always said Marg was never that good. Even before he broke your heart. Back when he was the "PBF dominator" and Floyd was ducking him. I was the first person to make a post about how he was an overrated contender with 5 losses and would be torn to shreds by the elites. So I don't care. Him whooping Cotto's ass means nothing to me, him getting beat by Pac means nothing to me. In fact I've only actually cared about two of his fights. SMM and PW, both of which he lost.

So now that he's crushed Cotto along with guys like you hearts by trying to cheat. You want to play bitter ex-girlfriend and cry "it was all a lie, you never loved us"...please. I'm only trying to offer objective view of the hand wrap thing dealing only with the facts laid out. Yeah we could make a case for or against anyone if we pull on something. Say you think pac is a cheater which is why he won't face floyd. Well you'd have a strong case if you point out that no one in history has moved up so much weight and dominates the larger fighters worse than he did the smaller ones. I mean yeah its okay for his speed to carry up, but the power too? I that high? One would have a real good case.

But that's dumb and irrelevant because unless he's caught what's the point in making accusations?

again..i picked Margarito to beat Cotto, but there's no doubt in my mind that the fucker cheated, his punches looked completely weak in the last 3 fights, THE ONLY FIGHTS that we know without a shadow of a doubt that he didn't wear loaded gloves, one shot rattled a former straw weight, and then he didn't do anything else despite landing a couple clean shots upstairs, explain to me then how is it that Clottey who isn't known as a hard hitter, landed less on Pacquiao and yet marked Manny a hell of a lot more than Margarito who landed flush upstairs a lot more frequently, you try and pull a little milmascaras bullshit by throwing in Cotto's name as if that's even part of the issue, it could have been Golden fucking Johnson and if there was any reason to believe he cheated in that fight i'd be saying the same damned thing, he has now TWICE been accused of cheating once with wraps and now we'll see if he tried to get a little help like Vargas did against DLH, like i said the NSAC never found any evidence that Mosley cheated EVEN THOUGH HE HIMSELF ADMITTED TO TAKING ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES!, it's Vegas and i wouldn't be shocked if in both cases (Cotto and Mosley) Margarito and/or Cepetillo slipped the guy who was supposed to inspect the wraps a bit to look the other way, wouldn't be the first or last time in boxing

Explain how's its okay that Margarito blows through Golden Johnson in one round without cheating using only his nonpuching ability, but then all of sudden needs to cheat to beat Cotto? Meaning either he does have enough punching power to do damage, or doesn't. How can he hit hard enough without cheating to stop Johnson in one round? Then totally not have enough pop to hurt cotto as he did with out cheating?

Hell shane mosely didn't even stop Johnson in one round.

are you seriously trying to compare Cotto to fucking Golden Johnson? and so what if Mosley took 7 rounds to stop him, he beat Johnson 8 yrs before Margarito did when he only had one loss, by some dude named Pedro Calderon who stopped him in 2 does that mean he had better power than Mosley as well? Vivian Harris stopped him in 3, guess that means he shit all over Mosley's power as well

and if i recall correctly Cotto took Mosley's best shot and won the fight, unlike Tony did against an older version of Shane, Cotto had only been dropped once in his career going into his fight with Margarito, he had been rocked yes, but he had no china chin, he was no Amir Khan or Golden Johnson, only guys who had hurt Cotto had good power (Corley, Torres, and Judah)