PAC deserve those props IMO

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pac will get props from me when.....

He stops being given 'vacant belts'

Stops fighting at catch weights to his advantage

Stops trying to weight drain opponants

Takes a steroid test

Stops fighting shot/damaged/past it/josh clottey average fighters

He will get massive props from me if he does that.

Props from you is not highly regarded, so who gives a fuck!

Nyahahaha!!!



HornGotFingered

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How so sunshine? You obviously didn't read my reply. I suppose though with all things Pacquiao ignorence is bliss.

It's not like he came up with any kind of arguement to show or prove me wrong, cuz let's face it. Those are facts. All he did was throw his little rattle out of the pram because he couldn't argue the point.

Amusing to say the least.

[Hornfinger]

Here's an interesting pac fact for you all

7 out of Pacs last 8 opponants had lost at least one of there previous 5 bouts. The exception being David Diaz who had 4 wins and a draw in his last 5.

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Here's an interesting pac fact for you all

7 out of Pacs last 8 opponants had lost at least one of there previous 5 bouts. The exception being David Diaz who had 4 wins and a draw in his last 5.

This idiotic fact could be said about 95% of the current boxers and doesn't mean that one didn't face strong opposition.

[Hornfinger]

Here's an interesting pac fact for you all

7 out of Pacs last 8 opponants had lost at least one of there previous 5 bouts. The exception being David Diaz who had 4 wins and a draw in his last 5.

This idiotic fact could be said about 95% of the current boxers and doesn't mean that one didn't face strong opposition.

A fact is a fact. No need to be a baby a bout it. Here have your toys back.

Maybe if you were to look at the beatings those fighters took in those losses....

But to do that you'd have to take your head out of the sand.

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pac will get props from me when.....

1. He stops being given 'vacant belts'

2. Stops fighting at catch weights to his advantage

3. Stops trying to weight drain opponants

4. Takes a steroid test

5. Stops fighting shot/damaged/past it/josh clottey average fighters

He will get massive props from me if he does that.

1. He KOed the defending champ Chatchai Sasakul for Lineal title.
He KOed the defending Lehlohonolo Ledwaba for IBF with only 2 weeks preparation.
He KOed the defending champ Barrera for lineal title.
He won a decision against defending champ Marquez lineal title.
He KOed the defending paper champ (first test against naturally bigger men) Diaz for WBC title.
He KOed the defending champ Hatton for fourth lineal title.
He KOed the defending champ Cotto for WBO title.
It's funny how you make it sound like he's been given vacant belt before the Margarito fight.

2. They maybe catchweights but if you wipe Floyd's cum off your eyes, you will see clear that the weight differences are not that big deal.

3. I partially agree with you on that. He fought a weight-drained morales in their third bout. He fought a weight-drained DLH too. But 28 out of 30 boxing writers picked DLH to massacre Pac, but look what happened?

4. He's been taking steroid (blood) test. 20 days before the fight. That's a fact. Mayweather took 18 days before the fight against Mosely.

5. If Hatton was a B level fighter, then Clottey must be A level.

Stop hating asshole

tsk!

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I love it I didn't even mention Floyd and you use that as part of your arguement. I think Pac fans are more obsessed with Floyd than anyone else.

You nearly put up a valid arguement until you started hurling the insults, although I'm sure no moderator will say anything to you about that.....

Cotto was at a catchweight so why you use that in this I have no idea...

Marquez he was gifted a lot of people think pac lost both fights.

Hatton had been Ko'ed by floyd looked awful agaist Lazcano and all of a sudden the IBO title counts for something?

Margarito, no way matey. That was not a title fight as I've stated before Antonio was a disgraced fighter not a number one contender or a champ

You're in cloud cookoo land with clottey. He has achieved no where near (and never will achieve) what hatton did in his career.

If the catch weights aren't a big deal why do Roach and manny insist on them all the time?

Manny has never taken a USADA random drug test

Good effort but still got your head in the sand. Keep stewing the insults it tells me I have a valid point.

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I love it I didn't even mention Floyd and you use that as part of your arguement. I think Pac fans are more obsessed with Floyd than anyone else.

You nearly put up a valid arguement until you started hurling the insults, although I'm sure no moderator will say anything to you about that.....

1. Cotto was at a catchweight so why you use that in this I have no idea...

2. Marquez he was gifted a lot of people think pac lost both fights.

3. Hatton had been Ko'ed by floyd looked awful agaist Lazcano and all of a sudden the IBO title counts for something?

4. Margarito, no way matey. That was not a title fight as I've stated before Antonio was a disgraced fighter not a number one contender or a champ

5. You're in cloud cookoo land with clottey. He has achieved no where near (and never will achieve) what hatton did in his career.

6. If the catch weights aren't a big deal why do Roach and manny insist on them all the time?

7. Manny has never taken a USADA random drug test

Good effort but still got your head in the sand. Keep stewing the insults it tells me I have a valid point.

Oooh.... 'you gonna cry now? Lmfao!

1. I've expressed many times this site alone that I hate catchweights. Cotto weighed-in as 146 against Clottey. So I don't get why Pac-Cotto fight was catchweight either. Pac would have still dismantled Cotto even at 147.

2. Well, many people also think Pac won those fights.... INCLUDING THE OFFICIAL JUDGES. But it is what it is. It's already in the book. Wtf are you gonna do about it?

3. Hatton fought two guys in the ring that night... Mayweather and Cortez. Plus Pac's win against Hatton was way more impressive (the 6 minute storm). IBO is a piece of shit belt. But you must be out of your freaking mind if the ring belt doesn't count for somethin.

4. That fight shouldn't have happen in the first place. That fight went through cuz Floyd is a pussy and Arum is a scumbag. Manny beating UP a man that outweights him 17 pounds is very impressive. He deserve to be crowned.

5. All Clottey's losses were questionable. But he could not win a single round against Pac. Hatton and Clottey have about the same boxing accomplishment. The big difference between them though is one of them is overhyped and the other is not.

6. Then why Manny's opponent agree to fight him if it's a big deal?

7. Neither Floyd. Refusing a USADA radom test 18 days before the fight is not really a USADA random test.

[Hornfinger]

I love it I didn't even mention Floyd and you use that as part of your arguement. I think Pac fans are more obsessed with Floyd than anyone else.

You nearly put up a valid arguement until you started hurling the insults, although I'm sure no moderator will say anything to you about that.....

1. Cotto was at a catchweight so why you use that in this I have no idea...

2. Marquez he was gifted a lot of people think pac lost both fights.

3. Hatton had been Ko'ed by floyd looked awful agaist Lazcano and all of a sudden the IBO title counts for something?

4. Margarito, no way matey. That was not a title fight as I've stated before Antonio was a disgraced fighter not a number one contender or a champ

5. You're in cloud cookoo land with clottey. He has achieved no where near (and never will achieve) what hatton did in his career.

6. If the catch weights aren't a big deal why do Roach and manny insist on them all the time?

7. Manny has never taken a USADA random drug test

Good effort but still got your head in the sand. Keep stewing the insults it tells me I have a valid point.

Oooh.... 'you gonna cry now? Lmfao!

1. I've expressed many times this site alone that I hate catchweights. Cotto weighed-in as 146 against Clottey. So I don't get why Pac-Cotto fight was catchweight either. Pac would have still dismantled Cotto even at 147.

2. Well, many people also think Pac won those fights.... INCLUDING THE OFFICIAL JUDGES. But it is what it is. It's already in the book. Wtf are you gonna do about it?

3. Hatton fought two guys in the ring that night... Mayweather and Cortez. Plus Pac's win against Hatton was way more impressive (the 6 minute storm). IBO is a piece of shit belt. But you must be out of your freaking mind if the ring belt doesn't count for somethin.

4. That fight shouldn't have happen in the first place. That fight went through cuz Floyd is a pussy and Arum is a scumbag. Manny beating UP a man that outweights him 17 pounds is very impressive. He deserve to be crowned.

5. All Clottey's losses were questionable. But he could not win a single round against Pac. Hatton and Clottey have about the same boxing accomplishment. The big difference between them though is one of them is overhyped and the other is not.

6. Then why Manny's opponent agree to fight him if it's a big deal?

7. Neither Floyd. Refusing a USADA radom test 18 days before the fight is not really a USADA random test.

Of course I'm not going to cry. I'm not the one that's got no arguement to the facts of my hero isn't what he's cracked to be. That, however, might be why you are crying like a baby.

Glad you agree with point one, you're starting to see sence, well done. If pac was so sure he'd dismantle cotto at 147 then he should have fought him at 147. simple.

Point two. The only thing i'm going to do is point out the fact that he was bloody lucky not to lose in both fights, and in heart of hearts pac fans know that. I find it very funny that you're trying to make some kind of point that the judges in a boxing match are infalable. If you want I can give you a list of fights where the judges got it very very wrong. As a boxing fan you should know that though.

Hatton did have the ref agaist him in the floyd fight. But Hatton fans including myself still feel floyd would have won that fight. Pac's win was more impressive? well it was at a different weight, hatton had been Ko'ed and had a different trainer that gave him the worst camp of his career. I personally think Koing an undefeated fighter is better then Koing a fighter that is a shadow of his former self.

Point six, MONEY YOU STUPID FOOL!

Point seven, that is pure fiction. Do you normally make things up when you're fighting a losing battle?

Keep trying.

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I love it I didn't even mention Floyd and you use that as part of your arguement. I think Pac fans are more obsessed with Floyd than anyone else.

You nearly put up a valid arguement until you started hurling the insults, although I'm sure no moderator will say anything to you about that.....

1. Cotto was at a catchweight so why you use that in this I have no idea...

2. Marquez he was gifted a lot of people think pac lost both fights.

3. Hatton had been Ko'ed by floyd looked awful agaist Lazcano and all of a sudden the IBO title counts for something?

4. Margarito, no way matey. That was not a title fight as I've stated before Antonio was a disgraced fighter not a number one contender or a champ

5. You're in cloud cookoo land with clottey. He has achieved no where near (and never will achieve) what hatton did in his career.

6. If the catch weights aren't a big deal why do Roach and manny insist on them all the time?

7. Manny has never taken a USADA random drug test

Good effort but still got your head in the sand. Keep stewing the insults it tells me I have a valid point.

Oooh.... 'you gonna cry now? Lmfao!

1. I've expressed many times this site alone that I hate catchweights. Cotto weighed-in as 146 against Clottey. So I don't get why Pac-Cotto fight was catchweight either. Pac would have still dismantled Cotto even at 147.

2. Well, many people also think Pac won those fights.... INCLUDING THE OFFICIAL JUDGES. But it is what it is. It's already in the book. Wtf are you gonna do about it?

3. Hatton fought two guys in the ring that night... Mayweather and Cortez. Plus Pac's win against Hatton was way more impressive (the 6 minute storm). IBO is a piece of shit belt. But you must be out of your freaking mind if the ring belt doesn't count for somethin.

4. That fight shouldn't have happen in the first place. That fight went through cuz Floyd is a pussy and Arum is a scumbag. Manny beating UP a man that outweights him 17 pounds is very impressive. He deserve to be crowned.

5. All Clottey's losses were questionable. But he could not win a single round against Pac. Hatton and Clottey have about the same boxing accomplishment. The big difference between them though is one of them is overhyped and the other is not.

6. Then why Manny's opponent agree to fight him if it's a big deal?

7. Neither Floyd. Refusing a USADA radom test 18 days before the fight is not really a USADA random test.

Of course I'm not going to cry. I'm not the one that's got no arguement to the facts of my hero isn't what he's cracked to be. That, however, might be why you are crying like a baby.

1. Glad you agree with point one, you're starting to see sence, well done. If pac was so sure he'd dismantle cotto at 147 then he should have fought him at 147. simple.

2. Point two. The only thing i'm going to do is point out the fact that he was bloody lucky not to lose in both fights, and in heart of hearts pac fans know that. I find it very funny that you're trying to make some kind of point that the judges in a boxing match are infalable. If you want I can give you a list of fights where the judges got it very very wrong. As a boxing fan you should know that though.

3. Hatton did have the ref agaist him in the floyd fight. But Hatton fans including myself still feel floyd would have won that fight. Pac's win was more impressive? well it was at a different weight, hatton had been Ko'ed and had a different trainer that gave him the worst camp of his career. I personally think Koing an undefeated fighter is better then Koing a fighter that is a shadow of his former self.

4. Point six, MONEY YOU STUPID FOOL!

5. Point seven, that is pure fiction. Do you normally make things up when you're fighting a losing battle?

Keep trying.

1. fair enough

2. It's a matter of opinion whether you like it or not. I know that there were 3 judges sittin in 3 different angles. It means they saw the fight in 3 different versions while most people only saw the fight in 1 dimension.

3. Ofcourse Pac's win over Hatton was more impressive. Some calls KO of the decade.

4. Like I said Cotto going down to fight Pac at 145 is not really that big deal, considering Cotto weighed-in 146 against Clottey. That's what I meant when I said "it's no big deal". If you still don't understand that, then you must be a dumb.

5. I don't make shit up. Never did. Mayweather - Mosley had 18 day cut off? Pacquiao says he will do 14 days�-�liverpuncher.com

I didn't know you were also a sourgraping Hatton fan.

[Hornfinger]

USADA wouldn't have taken part in it and also would have blown the whistle.

USADA | U.S. Anti-Doping Agency. Research, Testing & Education

Do yourself a favour and read up. It's interesting stuff. But again you gotta take your head outta the sand.

Pacquiao has more question marks around him than a quiz book, and he does very little to get rid of those question marks. But then why does he need to when his fans follow him so blindly.

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USADA wouldn't have taken part in it and also would have blown the whistle.

USADA | U.S. Anti-Doping Agency. Research, Testing & Education

Do yourself a favour and read up. It's interesting stuff. But again you gotta take your head outta the sand.

Pacquiao has more question marks around him than a quiz book, and he does very little to get rid of those question marks. But then why does he need to when his fans follow him so blindly.

Reading that don't make you a steroid expert. They are private agency. Tygart is well known as a scumbag. That's why they've lost their case in the court with their proposed BS. NSAC medical team and others backed Pacquiao up.

Floyd didn't abide by their procedures. Cuz he's so damn aware of danger of them poking his vein days/hours/mins before the fight.

Get to know your shit more dumb dumb.

[Hornfinger]

USADA wouldn't have taken part in it and also would have blown the whistle.

USADA | U.S. Anti-Doping Agency. Research, Testing & Education

Do yourself a favour and read up. It's interesting stuff. But again you gotta take your head outta the sand.

Pacquiao has more question marks around him than a quiz book, and he does very little to get rid of those question marks. But then why does he need to when his fans follow him so blindly.

Reading that don't make you a steroid expert. They are private agency. Tygart is well known as a scumbag. That's why they've lost their case in the court with their proposed BS. NSAC medical team and others backed Pacquiao up.

Floyd didn't abide by their procedures. Cuz he's so damn aware of danger of them poking his vein days/hours/mins before the fight.

Get to know your shit more dumb dumb.

No it doesn't make me an expert but it makes me more knowledgeable than the people that haven't read through it. And Floyd did follow their proceedures, I don't really see an article written by some unknown person on a random 2 bit boxing site as being a reliable scource.

Back to the child like name calling cuz you don't have anything else to fight your corner with eh? sad.

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Here's an interesting pac fact for you all

7 out of Pacs last 8 opponants had lost at least one of there previous 5 bouts. The exception being David Diaz who had 4 wins and a draw in his last 5.

This idiotic fact could be said about 95% of the current boxers and doesn't mean that one didn't face strong opposition.

A fact is a fact. No need to be a baby a bout it. Here have your toys back.

Maybe if you were to look at the beatings those fighters took in those losses....

But to do that you'd have to take your head out of the sand.

Sure, a fact... but a pointless one. Like if I was saying that 99% of the humans have 5 fingers in each hands. I see that your argumentative capacity and your relentless hate for Pacman go beyond the boundaries of "poor" arguments. I have a bit of pity, hope you'll be able to enhance it in the meantime.

p.s: Pacman is perhaps the fighter who did have THE best opposition these last 2-3 years, I wonder what you do complain about.

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USADA wouldn't have taken part in it and also would have blown the whistle.

USADA | U.S. Anti-Doping Agency. Research, Testing & Education

Do yourself a favour and read up. It's interesting stuff. But again you gotta take your head outta the sand.

Pacquiao has more question marks around him than a quiz book, and he does very little to get rid of those question marks. But then why does he need to when his fans follow him so blindly.

Reading that don't make you a steroid expert. They are private agency. Tygart is well known as a scumbag. That's why they've lost their case in the court with their proposed BS. NSAC medical team and others backed Pacquiao up.

Floyd didn't abide by their procedures. Cuz he's so damn aware of danger of them poking his vein days/hours/mins before the fight.

Get to know your shit more dumb dumb.

No it doesn't make me an expert but it makes me more knowledgeable than the people that haven't read through it. And Floyd did follow their proceedures, I don't really see an article written by some unknown person on a random 2 bit boxing site as being a reliable scource.

Back to the child like name calling cuz you don't have anything else to fight your corner with eh? sad.

It's either you're a liar or blind. Maybe both.

Floyd did NOT follow their procedures. He bossed them around. He just used them for show-off purpose. He made them look like puppets in 24/7 show.