Is it me or is Pacs performance Saturday a little overrated??

[Dizaster]

Do agree with you that Margo was the perfect, if not, handpicked opponent for Manny. But I wasn't expecting a one sided beat down last Sunday morning (for us in the Philippines). Specially after hearing Margo was packing 17 pounds heavier than Manny. Even if the devil in me was shouting hurrahs after each round Margo was being beaten, I thought it would have been competitive until at least the first few rounds. I'd figure Margo would be his usual come forward guy but that didn't happen. He seems more shell shocked than his usual self. Dunno if that's because of pac's punches or whatever. But it really wasn't the Margo I was expecting. I don't blame him though, judging from the looks of his face after the fight.

But for me the Margo that night was the same, if not, a better Margo back when he fought Cotto. The Mosley fight, he got fuxxed up in the brain. Bottom line for me though is Pac earned his due that night for fighting a game, lively, well conditioned and gigantic opponent in Margo. Just that the come forward style was not the best thing to do against manny. But right now, I don't know. Just want the manny pbf fight to happen.

Sick of that f'n expression! Seriously, Manny's style will beat 85% of other styles and make them look "Made for him"... The fight was made because after Pac beat DLH, he wanted the biggest challenge out there, and at the time, that was Margarito.... After beating Cotto, he looked unstoppable, and no one would be saying he's "handpicked" or "Tailor Made" for Pac... Also the fight could be made very easy as it was with Arum, would make money, no negotiation drama etc etc...

People are saying Clottey was "hand picked" for Pac.. Well him and Margarito and Cotto all have different styles.. Completley different. Clottey has tight defence and solid base, Margarito constantly comes forward, And cotto uses his smarts and counters, along with good body work/strength... Then Hatton is a little bit different again...
But of course, they were all "hand picked for Pac's style"... No, Pac is just too f'n good for them.. To much better..

If someone can't match Pac's speed, then he was "hand picked for his lack of speed".
If someone can't handle Pac's combo's he was "hand picked for his poor headmovement/leaky defence"
If someone can't handle Manny's pressure coming forard, he was "hand picked for Pac to run straight through him"
If someone charges forward trying to run over Pac, They were "hand picked for him to smash when they were on the way in"...

Seriously, do you not get what's going on here??

Well, actually maybe you do, so i'll give you a challenge??

Aside from JMM because of their past, and Mayweather because he is a super human freak of nature,,,,, who the f!uck you would pick for Manny??
Bare in mind, this MUST be someone who doesn't have a single attributes that is perfect for Manny to exploit and defeat?

(Because that would mean someone will say they were "Handpicked" for Pac to beat..)


Sorry buddy.. I'll CC you after this.. it's nothing personal.. I've heard tonnes of people say handpicked regarding Pac and Mayweather fights, and I just exploded on you when I read that word in your post.. But this is to all the people who keep saying handpicked, when it's just 95% of styles can't match a truly excelent fighter like Pac or Mayweather..

[Hornfinger]

Rediculously overrated.

[Dizaster]

Rediculously overrated.

bah humbug

[ono]

No. He dominated a good fighter who had a 17lb weight advantage. And that's on the back of dominating De La Hoya, Hatton, Cotto and Clottey.

[Hornfinger]

Mosley did the job...

Quicker
with a Ko
Didn't weight drain marg with a catch weight
Marg was on a winning streak
Marg hadn't had a severe beating at some point in his last 5 fights

[ono]

Mosley did the job...

Quicker
with a Ko
Didn't weight drain marg with a catch weight
Marg was on a winning streak
Marg hadn't had a severe beating at some point in his last 5 fights

This fight should have been stopped around the 9th round anyway

The result should have been a TKO

So Margarito wasn't weigh-drained at 147 but he was at 150?

Margarito was only on a 3 fight winning streak, probably aided by having concrete hands

Margarito had shipped plenty of punishment in the fights with Williams, Cintron and Cotto prior to the Mosley fight.


If i remember correctly, Mosley got a lot of kudos for what he did to Margarito. So should Pacquiao.

[Hornfinger]

Mosley did the job...

Quicker
with a Ko
Didn't weight drain marg with a catch weight
Marg was on a winning streak
Marg hadn't had a severe beating at some point in his last 5 fights

This fight should have been stopped around the 9th round anyway

The result should have been a TKO

So Margarito wasn't weigh-drained at 147 but he was at 150?

Margarito was only on a 3 fight winning streak, probably aided by having concrete hands

Margarito had shipped plenty of punishment in the fights with Williams, Cintron and Cotto prior to the Mosley fight.


If i remember correctly, Mosley got a lot of kudos for what he did to Margarito. So should Pacquiao.

A very good reply. The 1st good reply i've had in a while. Nice one.

First off I'd say shoulda woulda coulda. Pac still didn't put him down and out.

A good point about the weight but you do have to take into account there was a good couple of years gap between mosley and pac. If Marg was comfortable at 147 the fight would have been made at 147. (although that would have scuppered pacs 8 weight division fantasy) the fact that marg went up to the 154 divison says to me that 154 was a comfortable strong weight for him.

Yeah he'd taken punishment in those fights but he'd taken that punishment plus a hammering off mosley before pac got to him.


Yes shane did get loads of props, but IMO it was different circumstances and he put marg down. No one had dominated Marg quite like that before.

[ono]

Mosley did the job...

Quicker
with a Ko
Didn't weight drain marg with a catch weight
Marg was on a winning streak
Marg hadn't had a severe beating at some point in his last 5 fights

This fight should have been stopped around the 9th round anyway

The result should have been a TKO

So Margarito wasn't weigh-drained at 147 but he was at 150?

Margarito was only on a 3 fight winning streak, probably aided by having concrete hands

Margarito had shipped plenty of punishment in the fights with Williams, Cintron and Cotto prior to the Mosley fight.


If i remember correctly, Mosley got a lot of kudos for what he did to Margarito. So should Pacquiao.

A very good reply. The 1st good reply i've had in a while. Nice one.

First off I'd say shoulda woulda coulda. Pac still didn't put him down and out.

A good point about the weight but you do have to take into account there was a good couple of years gap between mosley and pac. If Marg was comfortable at 147 the fight would have been made at 147. (although that would have scuppered pacs 8 weight division fantasy) the fact that marg went up to the 154 divison says to me that 154 was a comfortable strong weight for him.

Yeah he'd taken punishment in those fights but he'd taken that punishment plus a hammering off mosley before pac got to him.


Yes shane did get loads of props, but IMO it was different circumstances and he put marg down. No one had dominated Marg quite like that before.

Fair comments. He did what i expected him to do, and what most other people expected him to do. Mosley's performance stunned me more, but i still think Pacquiao deserves his credit. I haven't seen too many knowledgeable people going over the top with it.

I agree about Margarito' weight, but he's moved up to 154 and then moved back down to 147 numerous times in his career so i'd imagine he's comfortable with it, although this time round, he had been inactive due to suspension, and he's getting older. Suppose i can see the argument both ways

[El Kabong]

Now I think the amount of damage Pac did to Margarito was very impressive, I certainly have never seen him so beat up, the dude landed a stay at the hospital and had surgery after the fight....that's a serious ass whuppin right there.

However I have been thinking "How would Floyd have handled Margarito?"
I figure he WOULD completely out class Margarito, but not send him to the hospital....I also wonder how Floyd would react to those body shots. As for the fight itself I think it would compare to the way he fought Baldomir.

[0james0]

Bloody phone!

I want to see PAC go up through more weights now as I think there is a better chance of that actually happening.

[Tysonbruno]

I agree with you he didn't do any better with margarito than Mosley or Williams he didn't do any better with Cotto than Margarito yet gets crazy praise for it. Thing is everybody expected Cotto to beat Margarito and Margarito demolished and because of this everybody expected Margarito to demolish Mosley yet Mosley demolished him in 9 rounds. Now everybody expected Pacquiao to beat margarito easy and he did but now there talking as though he has slayed King Kong and facts are he didn't even do it as easy as Mosley or Williams Pacquiao was even badly hurt in the 6th had their been more time left in the round who knows and after that he went on back foot for about 2 rounds yes he is P4P#1 but come on guys lets stop making the wins bigger than they were after the event.

[generalbulldog]

I agree with you he didn't do any better with margarito than Mosley or Williams he didn't do any better with Cotto than Margarito yet gets crazy praise for it. Thing is everybody expected Cotto to beat Margarito and Margarito demolished and because of this everybody expected Margarito to demolish Mosley yet Mosley demolished him in 9 rounds. Now everybody expected Pacquiao to beat margarito easy and he did but now there talking as though he has slayed King Kong and facts are he didn't even do it as easy as Mosley or Williams Pacquiao was even badly hurt in the 6th had their been more time left in the round who knows and after that he went on back foot for about 2 rounds yes he is P4P#1 but come on guys lets stop making the wins bigger than they were after the event.

Yeah but that everybody wasn't you now was it?http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...-who-wins.html

20/20 hindsight analysis. Anyone can do it.

BTW, you still owe PSL a sig bet in that thread.

[skel1983]

I agree with you he didn't do any better with margarito than Mosley or Williams he didn't do any better with Cotto than Margarito yet gets crazy praise for it. Thing is everybody expected Cotto to beat Margarito and Margarito demolished and because of this everybody expected Margarito to demolish Mosley yet Mosley demolished him in 9 rounds. Now everybody expected Pacquiao to beat margarito easy and he did but now there talking as though he has slayed King Kong and facts are he didn't even do it as easy as Mosley or Williams Pacquiao was even badly hurt in the 6th had their been more time left in the round who knows and after that he went on back foot for about 2 rounds yes he is P4P#1 but come on guys lets stop making the wins bigger than they were after the event.

[arcanum26]

Do agree with you that Margo was the perfect, if not, handpicked opponent for Manny. But I wasn't expecting a one sided beat down last Sunday morning (for us in the Philippines). Specially after hearing Margo was packing 17 pounds heavier than Manny. Even if the devil in me was shouting hurrahs after each round Margo was being beaten, I thought it would have been competitive until at least the first few rounds. I'd figure Margo would be his usual come forward guy but that didn't happen. He seems more shell shocked than his usual self. Dunno if that's because of pac's punches or whatever. But it really wasn't the Margo I was expecting. I don't blame him though, judging from the looks of his face after the fight.

But for me the Margo that night was the same, if not, a better Margo back when he fought Cotto. The Mosley fight, he got fuxxed up in the brain. Bottom line for me though is Pac earned his due that night for fighting a game, lively, well conditioned and gigantic opponent in Margo. Just that the come forward style was not the best thing to do against manny. But right now, I don't know. Just want the manny pbf fight to happen.

Sick of that f'n expression! Seriously, Manny's style will beat 85% of other styles and make them look "Made for him"... The fight was made because after Pac beat DLH, he wanted the biggest challenge out there, and at the time, that was Margarito.... After beating Cotto, he looked unstoppable, and no one would be saying he's "handpicked" or "Tailor Made" for Pac... Also the fight could be made very easy as it was with Arum, would make money, no negotiation drama etc etc...

People are saying Clottey was "hand picked" for Pac.. Well him and Margarito and Cotto all have different styles.. Completley different. Clottey has tight defence and solid base, Margarito constantly comes forward, And cotto uses his smarts and counters, along with good body work/strength... Then Hatton is a little bit different again...
But of course, they were all "hand picked for Pac's style"... No, Pac is just too f'n good for them.. To much better..

If someone can't match Pac's speed, then he was "hand picked for his lack of speed".
If someone can't handle Pac's combo's he was "hand picked for his poor headmovement/leaky defence"
If someone can't handle Manny's pressure coming forard, he was "hand picked for Pac to run straight through him"
If someone charges forward trying to run over Pac, They were "hand picked for him to smash when they were on the way in"...

Seriously, do you not get what's going on here??

Well, actually maybe you do, so i'll give you a challenge??

Aside from JMM because of their past, and Mayweather because he is a super human freak of nature,,,,, who the f!uck you would pick for Manny??
Bare in mind, this MUST be someone who doesn't have a single attributes that is perfect for Manny to exploit and defeat?

(Because that would mean someone will say they were "Handpicked" for Pac to beat..)


Sorry buddy.. I'll CC you after this.. it's nothing personal.. I've heard tonnes of people say handpicked regarding Pac and Mayweather fights, and I just exploded on you when I read that word in your post.. But this is to all the people who keep saying handpicked, when it's just 95% of styles can't match a truly excelent fighter like Pac or Mayweather..

All good points. No need to apologize. I completely understand where you're coming from. I guess what I'm trying to say is Manny is such a heavy favorite coming into the fight that most everyone expected him to win. In fairness though, I did insert the words "if not" since I was unsure if it would be proper to call Margo handpicked for Pac. Yeah, perhaps handpicked is such a strong word.

[fan johnny]

It's You!

Regardless of what was expected of the two meeting in the ring, what Pacquiao did against Margarito was nothing short of amazing.

If this meeting happened before Pacquiao vs Dela Hoya. Anyone saying Pacquiao could beat Margarito would have been tar and feathered off the forum.

Just avoid reading the accolade echo because everyone who saw that fight has to be in awe and you are going to hear and read it if you open the subject. It will die down in another of week or so.